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to play vanilla marines which books do I need? I have the 8th editionspace marine dex but that is apparently not up to date..thanks GW.
So, what do I need to JUST have the correct points costs...cause that would seem important to have.
ender502
Rulebook, Chapter Approved and the Codex. Chapter Approved only changed SOME of the points costs, it doesn't list them all.
Yes, you have to pay to fix their mistakes now. Not making the points cost a free errata really is annoying. I get paying for the extra stuff, but if you buy the codex you should always have access to the points.
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The points values were changed in Chapter Approved 2017, as BCB mentions. If you use a listbuilding app this is less of an issue (although possibly confusing).
Also, be prepared to buy the inevitable Chapter Approved 2018. Based on GW's various announcements, you can expect to buy a new book featuring updated army points every year, for the life of the game. Gone are the days of buying a Codex and being good until the next edition.
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Kriswall wrote: Gone are the days of buying a Codex and being good until the next edition.
To be fair (or rather unfair as it were) those days haven't existed for years. Prior to 6th edition, I was able to own all but a couple Codices.
Than 6th came and started releasing hard cover full color books, and supplements. 7th made it worse by releasing sub faction books. When 8E released all the Indexes, my hope was rekindled that I might actual be able to own all the 40k rules once more.
But hope, as they say, is the first step on the road to disappointment.
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Kriswall wrote: Gone are the days of buying a Codex and being good until the next edition.
To be fair (or rather unfair as it were) those days haven't existed for years.
Prior to 6th edition, I was able to own all but a couple Codices.
Than 6th came and started releasing hard cover full color books, and supplements. 7th made it worse by releasing sub faction books.
When 8E released all the Indexes, my hope was rekindled that I might actual be able to own all the 40k rules once more.
But hope, as they say, is the first step on the road to disappointment.
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To be fair, 3rd edition had some of that also. Craftworlds supplement for Eldar, the SM chapter updates in several books, army lists in other books like Eye of Terror or Armageddon....for a Lost and the Damned list you'd need the Eye of Terror supplement as well as having Imperial Guard and Chaos Space Marines codexes handy. And then you could have Daemonhunters or Witchhunters allied with Space Marines or Guard (or have SM or Guard inducted in with them), so that was going on way earlier than 6th.
Kriswall wrote: Gone are the days of buying a Codex and being good until the next edition.
Ah yes, don't we all just miss the times when a codex released and a bunch of units/entire factions were completely sub-par and we had to hope for the NEXT codex to fix them in 5 to 20 years...
I agree the points updates should be free, but I'm not personally against Chapter Approved as a concept.
Kriswall wrote: Gone are the days of buying a Codex and being good until the next edition.
Ah yes, don't we all just miss the times when a codex released and a bunch of units/entire factions were completely sub-par and we had to hope for the NEXT codex to fix them in 5 to 20 years...
I agree the points updates should be free, but I'm not personally against Chapter Approved as a concept.
Join the 21st century and get the digital one. apparently it auto updates.
Kriswall wrote: Gone are the days of buying a Codex and being good until the next edition.
Ah yes, don't we all just miss the times when a codex released and a bunch of units/entire factions were completely sub-par and we had to hope for the NEXT codex to fix them in 5 to 20 years...
I agree the points updates should be free, but I'm not personally against Chapter Approved as a concept.
Join the 21st century and get the digital one. apparently it auto updates.
Only if you buy the locked-down-to-apple version. Otherwise it's a massive pain to open, so much so I had to learn how to convert my epubs to PDF just to be able to read them.
Kriswall wrote: Gone are the days of buying a Codex and being good until the next edition.
Ah yes, don't we all just miss the times when a codex released and a bunch of units/entire factions were completely sub-par and we had to hope for the NEXT codex to fix them in 5 to 20 years...
I agree the points updates should be free, but I'm not personally against Chapter Approved as a concept.
But getting units buffed and nerfed randomly to make you buy models every few months is obviously better.
At least I wasn't being forced to buy new models all the time.
mchammadad wrote: Just saying. When they release the 40k version of warscroll builder. You wont need to keep track of points or cost at all
Until they require you to register your unique serial code from the book just to access the units from said reference...
They said W40K Combat Roster will be free, and always remain so. However, I don't think the free version will include points, especially since they also plan on having a 40K app:
Don’t worry, matched play fans – we haven’t forgotten you! Combat Roster will later be joined by a Warhammer 40,000 app, a bespoke digital companion to the 41st Millennium, which will feature a matched play list builder.
So the free version will probably only contain power level costs.
And if I had to guess, we'll have to buy the rights for each individual codex in the app, just like in the AoS app (and a codex won't give us access to the corresponding rules in the app for free…).
There's no 'maybe' that Combat Roster will use Power Levels. They come out and directly say that...
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It's almost as if they saw the absolute worst business practices of micro-transactions and the stuff that EA pulls and thought "hey, we should start doing that guys!"
Edit: I'm also an Infinity player, and the difference in how the game is supported between the two companies is startling. Infinity's listbuilder is (usually, unless there's issues with the builder - rare) AMAZING. Free, you can just access it via your browser, but also download it and use it on your phone or computer. It doesn't require unlocking various factions or even a registration - it just works! It's...a little sad looking from Corvus Belli's practices (they're a TINY company, really) compared to what GW could do if they put a tiny bit of effort into it and didn't treat it as a profit center. Now, to get the actual lore of the game, you need to buy the books...but even then, the rulebook and the lore book are different books.
Just, take a few cues from Corvus Belli, GW. Please.
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Ender502 - The Big FAQ 1 2018 has point updates for some units in 40K; they have an updated point cost for Roboute Guilliman in there, for the Fire Raptor Gunship and, if you ever go Dark Angels, the Ravenwing Dark Talon. This FAQ came out 4/16/18.
For other units, check the Chapter Approved 2017 first for point costs. If not in a Big FAQ or Chapter Approved, go with the Codex (or Index if it's a unit not in the codex).
It's worth checking the Big FAQs out as well as the errata as they are changing point costs on some stratagems as well as point costs on the units, so you want to make sure you're using the right command point costs there as well.
Ender502 - The Big FAQ 1 2018 has point updates for some units in 40K; they have an updated point cost for Roboute Guilliman in there, for the Fire Raptor Gunship and, if you ever go Dark Angels, the Ravenwing Dark Talon. This FAQ came out 4/16/18.
For other units, check the Chapter Approved 2017 first for point costs. If not in a Big FAQ or Chapter Approved, go with the Codex (or Index if it's a unit not in the codex).
It's worth checking the Big FAQs out as well as the errata as they are changing point costs on some stratagems as well as point costs on the units, so you want to make sure you're using the right command point costs there as well.
I never said it was unreasonable. I'm just saying that I, personally, don't find it a problem and if I did there is a solution.
I wouldn't expect to see points changes in the erratas (unless it was a misprint) or in the Big FAQs. Points changes look like they're going to be exclusive to Chapter Approved for the most part.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Ender502 - The Big FAQ 1 2018 has point updates for some units in 40K; they have an updated point cost for Roboute Guilliman in there, for the Fire Raptor Gunship and, if you ever go Dark Angels, the Ravenwing Dark Talon. This FAQ came out 4/16/18.
For other units, check the Chapter Approved 2017 first for point costs. If not in a Big FAQ or Chapter Approved, go with the Codex (or Index if it's a unit not in the codex).
It's worth checking the Big FAQs out as well as the errata as they are changing point costs on some stratagems as well as point costs on the units, so you want to make sure you're using the right command point costs there as well.
Thank you.
So, in the case of vanilla marine land speeders... I'd look at the SM codex rather than the index.
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Yes, that's why they have the points in the back of the codex.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
8th edition invalidated all of the codices, so the Indices were published until they could release all of the codices. Why would they replace individual 8th edition codices with an index that covers multiple armies?
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- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Ghaz wrote: Yes, that's why they have the points in the back of the codex.
Yes, unless some other, later in time book, changed the price. Until right now I had no idea what came first...codex SM or index imperium.
Index was put out right when 8th came out, to tide people over until they got a codex. It can still be used for units that aren't in the codex, or for wargear that used to be available on a unit that isn't available in the current codex version (as per the Designer's Commentary). Starting in April they decided to put out 2 Big FAQs per year, every six months apart. These would be more recent than the Chapter Approved 2017. I imagine that when Chapter Approved 2018 comes out, you'll see the Big FAQs incorporated into the book.
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Ghaz wrote: I wouldn't expect to see points changes in the erratas (unless it was a misprint) or in the Big FAQs. Points changes look like they're going to be exclusive to Chapter Approved for the most part.
You had points changes in the Big FAQ 1. They said they didn't see a need to put further points changes in Big FAQ 2 (they have CP changes, however). I expect that they'll put the points changes into FAQs and errata first, then incorporate the Big FAQs into Chapter Approved at the end of the year.
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Galef wrote: And this is why I do not like "rapid-fire" releases of rules. New comers can easily get confused as to what is the latest version of their rules.
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I started playing in 2ed....stopped in 5th. Only just getting back. Just have no idea of the order of how things have been released. In theory I have no problem with the FAQ's they 're putting out OR chpater approved (though I won't pay for the CA). Better than when everyone had to carry around multiple WD's to reference for rules.
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