Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Just wondering how loyal everyone is. If your loyal chapter turned rogue, would you throw your chips in with chaos or would you stop collecting them or pretend it never happened?

I play Dark Angels.

 Galas wrote:
I play Dark Angels.

We have a winner. Might as well close the thread now.

Well seeing that would happen with current timeline with primaris etc which we ignore anyway in favour of our timeline that's further ahead...ignore by default

Given that the only legions (and chapters; I wish The Scourged had more than a paragraph of information on them...) I really like are the ones that already fell to Chaos this isn't really a problem I have to deal with.

 Galas wrote:
I play Dark Angels.

I get that it's the meme, harhar and all. But it doesn't really make sense. The Dark Angels as they exist today are extremely anti-Chaos, as was the Lion. The Fallen are (at least some of them) Chaos worshippers, and they are hunted relentlessly by the Dark Angels.

They have on occasion disappeared an Inquisitor or two, and obviously keep a lot of secrets from the Imperium. So in that sense you could call them traitorous. But to be honest other factions in the Imperium have done much worse, the Imperium is constantly fighting itself.

Stux wrote:
I get that it's the meme, harhar and all. But it doesn't really make sense. The Dark Angels as they exist today are extremely anti-Chaos, as was the Lion. The Fallen are (at least some of them) Chaos worshippers, and they are hunted relentlessly by the Dark Angels.

That's what they want you to think.

In seriousness though, this is why GW will never do a full on faction swap. Because it would ruin people's own lore for their armies.

They might have a faction split and have half of them swap sides, but not the whole faction. They'll always leave a door open for players to continue to forge their own narrative when it comes to something this big.

Stux wrote:
In seriousness though, this is why GW will never do a full on faction swap. Because it would ruin people's own lore for their armies.

They might have a faction split and have half of them swap sides, but not the whole faction. They'll always leave a door open for players to continue to forge their own narrative when it comes to something this big.

This they simply won't do it because it would invalidate people's armies. the outrage would outweight any minor narrative benifits. the msot you'd see is "this chaos warband consists of BobMarines who turned traitor"

It is an absurd idea. Should players of the big four add spikes to their minis? Will they be forced to rebase their models with costly bases provided by GW which features a chaos star to show their allegiance to the dark powers? This train of thought is almost as stupid as blowing up a beloved fantasy setting.

 Strg Alt wrote:
It is an absurd idea. Should players of the big four add spikes to their minis? Will they be forced to rebase their models with costly bases provided by GW which features a chaos star to show their allegiance to the dark powers? This train of thought is almost as stupid as blowing up a beloved fantasy setting.

I'm not advocating that, I would hate my chapter turning traitor as I already have the best Chaos legion. I'm just wondering how many people or whether any people would turn traitor and put spikes on their models. The train of thought isn't stupid, chapters go rogue all the time. Its only stupid from a business point of view, but half the chapter turning rogue and half being loyal would be fine as a business model. So try and think things through before saying they are stupid because you just sound stupid doing that.

It would be somewhat awkward as my army is a renegade offshoot.

They already did before I bought them, thank god. Would have no love for them if they were ignorant corpse worshippers.

The best answer is that my "faction" of my Chapter would stay loyal and become renegades looking to restore the honor of the chapter by hunting down and destroying the heretics.

Rejoice, as the imperium sucks. And death hex is great.

I'd strap on my WWLD (What Would Loken Do?) bracelet and fight on for the Emperor.

But seriously, I play Sisters of Battle. We don't go rogue.

Stux wrote:

 Galas wrote:
I play Dark Angels.

I get that it's the meme, harhar and all. But it doesn't really make sense. The Dark Angels as they exist today are extremely anti-Chaos, as was the Lion. The Fallen are (at least some of them) Chaos worshippers, and they are hunted relentlessly by the Dark Angels.

They have on occasion disappeared an Inquisitor or two, and obviously keep a lot of secrets from the Imperium. So in that sense you could call them traitorous. But to be honest other factions in the Imperium have done much worse, the Imperium is constantly fighting itself.

I know. If you read a little of Dark Angel fluff is very clear from the beginning that they are 0% heretical. A little treacherous in the sense of putting their own agenda before the interest of the Imperium but thats like what everyone barring the Imperial Fists does so....

Not sure how a Chapter I created would turn Traitor unless I decided so.

So I'd be going along with whatever they did, I suppose.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Just wondering how loyal everyone is. If your loyal chapter turned rogue, would you throw your chips in with chaos or would you stop collecting them or pretend it never happened?

Probably go Rogue with a Dorn's Heresy style army then. Complete with turkey tacos.

 alextroy wrote:
I'd strap on my WWLD (What Would Loken Do?) bracelet and fight on for the Emperor.

But seriously, I play Sisters of Battle. We don't go rogue.

Except when you do.

 IronBrand wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
I'd strap on my WWLD (What Would Loken Do?) bracelet and fight on for the Emperor.

But seriously, I play Sisters of Battle. We don't go rogue.

Except when you do.

1 person pulled a Horus and switched teams. Every other example of Sisters of Chaos have been through daemonic possession or some kind of mind control.

So I'd say their track record is better than the Marines at least.

Yep. It goes Custodes, Grey Knights, then Sisters of Battle. Way more reliable then Space Marines.

 alextroy wrote:
Yep. It goes Custodes, Grey Knights, then Sisters of Battle. Way more reliable then Space Marines.

Grey Knights had the one guy who went a little crazy to avoid being possessed by a daemon of Tzeentch and was a champion of Khorne for a while in a fighting arena, but he got better so I guess he doesn't count, right?

 Galas wrote:

Stux wrote:

 Galas wrote:
I play Dark Angels.

I get that it's the meme, harhar and all. But it doesn't really make sense. The Dark Angels as they exist today are extremely anti-Chaos, as was the Lion. The Fallen are (at least some of them) Chaos worshippers, and they are hunted relentlessly by the Dark Angels.

They have on occasion disappeared an Inquisitor or two, and obviously keep a lot of secrets from the Imperium. So in that sense you could call them traitorous. But to be honest other factions in the Imperium have done much worse, the Imperium is constantly fighting itself.

I know. If you read a little of Dark Angel fluff is very clear from the beginning that they are 0% heretical. A little treacherous in the sense of putting their own agenda before the interest of the Imperium but thats like what everyone barring the Imperial Fists does so....

Yeah though the Lion did some very suspect stuff during the crusade and Caliban.

[spoiler]

The lion was able to travel the warp storms better than any loyalist even before he used the chaos servitor to get to Davin during the Ruinstorm. Even before the light of the pharos had been lit.

He hired the knight of Lupus even though he knew of their use of the tainted daemons of Caliban.

Gave the siege weapons to Perterabu.

Dark Angels could turn a traitor but not chaos. It would be simple that Imperium is betrayed the Emperor or humanity.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 IronBrand wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
I'd strap on my WWLD (What Would Loken Do?) bracelet and fight on for the Emperor.

But seriously, I play Sisters of Battle. We don't go rogue.

Except when you do.

1 person pulled a Horus and switched teams. Every other example of Sisters of Chaos have been through daemonic possession or some kind of mind control.

So I'd say their track record is better than the Marines at least.

It's more than that. Sisters just erase all evidence of those who turn apart from one.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Galas wrote:

Stux wrote:

 Galas wrote:
I play Dark Angels.

I get that it's the meme, harhar and all. But it doesn't really make sense. The Dark Angels as they exist today are extremely anti-Chaos, as was the Lion. The Fallen are (at least some of them) Chaos worshippers, and they are hunted relentlessly by the Dark Angels.

They have on occasion disappeared an Inquisitor or two, and obviously keep a lot of secrets from the Imperium. So in that sense you could call them traitorous. But to be honest other factions in the Imperium have done much worse, the Imperium is constantly fighting itself.

I know. If you read a little of Dark Angel fluff is very clear from the beginning that they are 0% heretical. A little treacherous in the sense of putting their own agenda before the interest of the Imperium but thats like what everyone barring the Imperial Fists does so....

Yeah though the Lion did some very suspect stuff during the crusade and Caliban.

[spoiler]

The lion was able to travel the warp storms better than any loyalist even before he used the chaos servitor to get to Davin during the Ruinstorm. Even before the light of the pharos had been lit.

He hired the knight of Lupus even though he knew of their use of the tainted daemons of Caliban.

Gave the siege weapons to Perterabu.

To be fair giving siege weaponry to Pert was before the whole Traitor thing came out.

pm713 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 IronBrand wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
I'd strap on my WWLD (What Would Loken Do?) bracelet and fight on for the Emperor.

But seriously, I play Sisters of Battle. We don't go rogue.

Except when you do.

1 person pulled a Horus and switched teams. Every other example of Sisters of Chaos have been through daemonic possession or some kind of mind control.

So I'd say their track record is better than the Marines at least.

It's more than that. Sisters just erase all evidence of those who turn apart from one.

Source? Because that sounds like a conspiracy theory and makes no sense why they wouldn't erase that evidence too if they really do that.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Just wondering how loyal everyone is. If your loyal chapter turned rogue, would you throw your chips in with chaos or would you stop collecting them or pretend it never happened?

I created my own chapter. Why would I want GW telling me what to do with my doods?

pm713 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 IronBrand wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
I'd strap on my WWLD (What Would Loken Do?) bracelet and fight on for the Emperor.

But seriously, I play Sisters of Battle. We don't go rogue.

Except when you do.

1 person pulled a Horus and switched teams. Every other example of Sisters of Chaos have been through daemonic possession or some kind of mind control.

So I'd say their track record is better than the Marines at least.

It's more than that. Sisters just erase all evidence of those who turn apart from one.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Galas wrote:

Stux wrote:

 Galas wrote:
I play Dark Angels.

I get that it's the meme, harhar and all. But it doesn't really make sense. The Dark Angels as they exist today are extremely anti-Chaos, as was the Lion. The Fallen are (at least some of them) Chaos worshippers, and they are hunted relentlessly by the Dark Angels.

They have on occasion disappeared an Inquisitor or two, and obviously keep a lot of secrets from the Imperium. So in that sense you could call them traitorous. But to be honest other factions in the Imperium have done much worse, the Imperium is constantly fighting itself.

I know. If you read a little of Dark Angel fluff is very clear from the beginning that they are 0% heretical. A little treacherous in the sense of putting their own agenda before the interest of the Imperium but thats like what everyone barring the Imperial Fists does so....

Yeah though the Lion did some very suspect stuff during the crusade and Caliban.

[spoiler]

The lion was able to travel the warp storms better than any loyalist even before he used the chaos servitor to get to Davin during the Ruinstorm. Even before the light of the pharos had been lit.

He hired the knight of Lupus even though he knew of their use of the tainted daemons of Caliban.

Gave the siege weapons to Perterabu.

To be fair giving siege weaponry to Pert was before the whole Traitor thing came out.

The inquisition have to know about all traitor chapters, they might erase it from common Imperial knowledge but not completely.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 IronBrand wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
I'd strap on my WWLD (What Would Loken Do?) bracelet and fight on for the Emperor.

But seriously, I play Sisters of Battle. We don't go rogue.

Except when you do.

1 person pulled a Horus and switched teams. Every other example of Sisters of Chaos have been through daemonic possession or some kind of mind control.

So I'd say their track record is better than the Marines at least.

It's more than that. Sisters just erase all evidence of those who turn apart from one.

Source? Because that sounds like a conspiracy theory and makes no sense why they wouldn't erase that evidence too if they really do that.

It's from the Sisters of Battle Omnibus.

The logic was that they let Sisters know about one fallen Sister as a cautionary tale but the rest are swept under the rug to the point where they surgically alter someone to resemble them.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 IronBrand wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
I'd strap on my WWLD (What Would Loken Do?) bracelet and fight on for the Emperor.

But seriously, I play Sisters of Battle. We don't go rogue.

Except when you do.

1 person pulled a Horus and switched teams. Every other example of Sisters of Chaos have been through daemonic possession or some kind of mind control.

So I'd say their track record is better than the Marines at least.

It's more than that. Sisters just erase all evidence of those who turn apart from one.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Galas wrote:

Stux wrote:

 Galas wrote:
I play Dark Angels.

I get that it's the meme, harhar and all. But it doesn't really make sense. The Dark Angels as they exist today are extremely anti-Chaos, as was the Lion. The Fallen are (at least some of them) Chaos worshippers, and they are hunted relentlessly by the Dark Angels.

They have on occasion disappeared an Inquisitor or two, and obviously keep a lot of secrets from the Imperium. So in that sense you could call them traitorous. But to be honest other factions in the Imperium have done much worse, the Imperium is constantly fighting itself.

I know. If you read a little of Dark Angel fluff is very clear from the beginning that they are 0% heretical. A little treacherous in the sense of putting their own agenda before the interest of the Imperium but thats like what everyone barring the Imperial Fists does so....

Yeah though the Lion did some very suspect stuff during the crusade and Caliban.

[spoiler]

The lion was able to travel the warp storms better than any loyalist even before he used the chaos servitor to get to Davin during the Ruinstorm. Even before the light of the pharos had been lit.

He hired the knight of Lupus even though he knew of their use of the tainted daemons of Caliban.

Gave the siege weapons to Perterabu.

To be fair giving siege weaponry to Pert was before the whole Traitor thing came out.

The inquisition have to know about all traitor chapters, they might erase it from common Imperial knowledge but not completely.

What are you on about? That was before Chapters or the Inquisition were things.