[Star Wars] Disney+ SW shows(spoilers)

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**insaniak**

LordofHats wrote:
You can't drop a mystery box in front of an audience and then demand that they not look at it too hard because it's 'just a space opera.' The whole story is a literal 'why done it.' It's at least done that part well, but the foray into a 'who done it' in episode one was asking to be called out for not having its own ducks in a row.

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Big question; Is Sol supposed to be one of the culprits in this? I'd assume yes from context, but the reaction to seeing him seemed kind of muted and like he wasn't on the hit list (namely it didn't seem like Mae knew who he was). I'd definitely put green space lady up as a possibly #4. That would be the obvious way to go, depending on whatever it is the Jedi did that was seriously wrong.

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**AduroT**

nels1031 wrote:
Well, thats me re-subscribed to D+ for a short bit.

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What a waste of Carrie-Anne Moss. Trailer did show her outside of that bar, so hopefully get some flashbacks? She seemed extremely wooden during the fight scene.

Luckily the semi-evil twin used a tiny dagger instead of a lightsaber. We all know lightsabers to the gut/lower chest don’t kill!

“I see fire consuming everything!’ ‘That’s cool youngling, now go eat lunch!”

Felt the twin reveal could’ve been milked a bit longer to fool us (the viewer) and add more shock value. Exact same hairstyle after all this time apart? Lol

Learned from a Co-worker that Greenface Jedi is showrunners spouse. I dub her Darth Nepo.

The Sith baddie sounds cool. Luckily, he gave us a flash of the red lightsaber to reveal that he’s a bad guy. I wouldn’t have known it was a bad guy, but then he Vadered!

I have a feeling Mr. Muscles Jedi will be used as a verbal punching bag to the antlered albino X-23’s Jedi Knight throughout this series. I have a sneaking suspicion she’ll be a better fighter too.

If there is a quicker way to Floaty-boy Jedi, why’d the Jedi escort not take them that way?

The fat Jedi was pretty embarassing. “Lets put the most noticeable Jedi in the temple on duty to surveil a known accomplice to an assassin. He definitely won’t stick out like a raisin in a handful of rice, practically leaning over the deck that he’s standing on and get distracted by some young Jedi trim that comes up to chat”.

Why not bring the accomplice in and post some knights in the actual shop to ambush the assassin if she returned?

I want to like this, but its so puerile.

I kind of like her more wooden fighting. She didn’t do a lot of flashy stuff, just kind of walked towards her opponents overpowered her. Felt very terminator inevitable like.

**Geifer**

I don't know what to make of The Acolyte. It took most of the first episode for me to get into it. That's not a good start.

The writing is pretty rough. I think I'll watch it for the visuals and form an opinion on the story when it's finished.

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**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

It’s explained at the end of the first episode.

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**Geifer**

Is that really what all the yapping is supposed to be about?

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**The_Real_Chris**

I think it is very much a kids show like the Obi1 show (under the cloak! Benny hill music is go!). Adults being upset is missing the point. Sadly like most kids shows the writers/creators think you don't need to be clever or well written anymore.

Back to waiting for Andor.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

So far? Seemingly so.

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**LordofHats**

Geifer wrote:
I don't know what to make of The Acolyte. It took most of the first episode for me to get into it. That's not a good start.

The writing is pretty rough. I think I'll watch it for the visuals and form an opinion on the story when it's finished.

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I wonder if the kill Jedi with bare hands thing ties in with Darth Plagueis and the point is for the apprentice to learn the ability to force their will on the Force beyond what normal Jedi and Sith knowledge teaches.

It's worth considering this might not be related to Palgueis or Palpatine at all.

A lot of the fan forums have been talking more and more about Aboleth, particularly because of hints in Ahsoka that something is coming. Aboleth is from the old EU, but came back to the new canon via some comics as I understand it as a eldritch Force abomination that was kept in check by the Father, the Daughter, and the Son.

Some of the trailers for the Acolyte have culty stuff in them, so the Acolyte might not be about Palpatine or his master.

**Geifer**

Sounds cool. I hope it's something like that.

I don't mind if Plagueis and Sidious aren't directly involved. I think Mace Windu said that the Sith haven't been around for a long time? You'd think he would know or at least be contradicted afterwards if any actual Sith were behind some Jedi murders three generations earlier. So it's probably best if they steer clear of that. Not that I trust them until I see it...

But my thoughts were more on the actual knowledge and not the group holding/learning it. As in, these darksiders use knowledge that when they're taken care of falls into the hands of Plagueis or his predecessor and lives on even though the antagonists of the show are gone, so as to establish some continuity between this era and the movie eras. I could see them try that.

**Nevelon**

What is the timeframe on this? I thought they said 100 years before the rise of empire in the intro…

**Geifer**

Yep, that's it.

**Voss**

insaniak wrote:
LordofHats wrote:
You can't drop a mystery box in front of an audience and then demand that they not look at it too hard because it's 'just a space opera.' The whole story is a literal 'why done it.' It's at least done that part well, but the foray into a 'who done it' in episode one was asking to be called out for not having its own ducks in a row.

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I don't think it was in any way supposed to be a 'who done it' though, given that the promotional material for the show included both twins.

The Jedi (briefly) thought Osha did it... but the audience was never really supposed to. Even if you missed the poster for the show, it was blatantly obvious from the moment Osha appeared on screen that she was a different person, and the obvious conclusion was that the assassin was her twin. There was no hype on that particular 'mystery' because it was never a mystery.

You guys know there's a difference between mysteries and crime procedurals, right? The mystery isn't always the point.

A mysterious murder! When his former deputy is accused of the crime, Inspector Sol is called out of his teaching retirement to investigate. Can he save the next victim, and prove his student's innocence, before Commissioner Green buries the case in red tape? But with space wizards.

I'm pretty sure I've seen this summary on the back of Inspector Banks or Inspector Morse.

**LordofHats**

Geifer wrote:
Sounds cool. I hope it's something like that.

I don't mind if Plagueis and Sidious aren't directly involved. I think Mace Windu said that the Sith haven't been around for a long time? You'd think he would know or at least be contradicted afterwards if any actual Sith were behind some Jedi murders three generations earlier. So it's probably best if they steer clear of that. Not that I trust them until I see it...

But my thoughts were more on the actual knowledge and not the group holding/learning it. As in, these darksiders use knowledge that when they're taken care of falls into the hands of Plagueis or his predecessor and lives on even though the antagonists of the show are gone, so as to establish some continuity between this era and the movie eras. I could see them try that.

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**Geifer**

I think so, too.

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**insaniak**

Yes, it certainly seems like...

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**RaptorusRex**

Acolyte is ok. Was surprised by how much they've cut back runtime.

**nels1031**

On a second viewing, the passage of time on this show is wild.

Jedi gets killed in the cold open. Jedi find the suspect “as far from Coruscant as you can get” the next day on a freighter, while going to the crime scene and bringing the barkeeper witness to ID the suspect. Suspect is loaded onto a prison ship. Prison escape and ship crash. Killer goes to another planet to watch someone turn on a red lightsaber. Prisoners are captured and taken to Coruscant. Republic sends probe droids to crash site. Jedi who loaded the suspect onto the prison ship is on Corusanct and crews up with 2 other Jedi. Jedi find the crashed ship and suspect promptly. Inside of prison ship looks about the same when the suspect woke up in the wreck, so not a ton of time seems to have passed. Another Jedi is attacked and the very next day the Jedi crew and initial suspect are at the attack site.

Pretty wild pace. Whats the hurry?

**Lord Damocles**

It sure is lucky that you can use jedi powers to extract information from people's minds. That sure would be useful if you were trying to discover whether or not someone had killed a jedi. Huh show?
What's that? You can't kill jedi with steel or lasers? Tell that to Trinity and all this schmucs who died during Order 66.
Jedi only ignite their laser swords when they want to fight? Not just whenever they need a flashlight then?

**Geifer**

nels1031 wrote:
Pretty wild pace. Whats the hurry?

It definitely didn't help me settle into the show. So much stuff happening so quickly without much time to take it in and process it.

And that's before you consider in setting implications.

Lord Damocles wrote:
Jedi only ignite their laser swords when they want to fight? Not just whenever they need a flashlight then?

That's a little unfair. Just because you can't tell the difference between the cutting tool and the flashlight on the Swiss army saber doesn't mean the Jedi can't.

More seriously, the show does go to some trouble to consistently show the Jedi to opt for kung fu over drawing a deadly weapon until there is an actual reason. The contrast to the Clone Wars era is there. I think the flashlight bit itself isn't an issue in that regard. That the guard Jedi keeps it on and points it at Osha while boss Jedi talks her down is an actual failure in that regard. Although it still plays as evidence into the idea that the Jedi aren't what they claim to be and the plan to expose them at least has some merit.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Evil Sith Dude is clearly discussing public perception of the Jedi though. And it’s that public perception that’s in their sights.

Remember, we’ve 100 years to go from Kung Fu Space Hippies to Gung Ho “Aggressive Negotiation” Space Samurai.

Even the fighting styles we’ve seen are restrained. I’ve no doubt Trinity could’ve rekt Mae had she wished. Not even kill, just completely KO. That speaks of a pretty different underlying philosophy at play.

**Lord Damocles**

Maybe Trinity should have started/ended the fight before a bunch of innocent cantina patrons got injured/killed then...

**insaniak**

Geifer wrote:
... That the guard Jedi keeps it on and points it at Osha while boss Jedi talks her down is an actual failure in that regard. Although it still plays as evidence into the idea that the Jedi aren't what they claim to be and the plan to expose them at least has some merit.

I mean, they've also spent quite a bit of time pointing out that Yord isn't a particularly good jedi...

**Voss**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Evil Sith Dude is clearly discussing public perception of the Jedi though. And it’s that public perception that’s in their sights.

Not sure where you're getting that. Evil Sith-esque person is making a short, declarative, absolute statement about a fundamental truth of the universe and philosophy. (actually a 'sounds cool but is really vapid' line, but the intent seems to be to take it super serious.) There's no one to play 'public perception' to, Master is issuing a statement of How It Must Be Done to disciples.

The fact that its countered by what actually happened 40 minutes earlier just shows the editing or writing is a mess. They went for Rule of Stupid thinking it was Rule of Cool, or simply didn't reshoot a scene and just tacked it on the end.

This is reinforced by the very next episode, where antagonist is going on and on about the need to kill a Jedi unarmed, despite not being able to do that.

**insaniak**

He's not saying that the jedi are literally immune to weapons. He's monologuing to his disciple about public perception of the jedi, and how that can be destroyed if someone starts killing them without even needing weapons. He's simply reminding her of her goal.

**Gert**

A Sith dealing in absolutes? Well I never...

**nels1031**

Episode 3 Drinking Game Challenge :

Take a shot of a strong alcohol every time you hear “Mama”.

Pretty embarassing episode all around.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Was it though?

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**nels1031**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Was it though?

The writing/dialogue was hamfisted as feth.

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I mean, I’m intrigued enough to keep watching for the lulz, but the gakky dialogue and the attempts at some profound philosophy were pretty cringe.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Or, right?

It’s deliberate. Very deliberate.

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**Gitzbitah**

I really, really wish they'd done something more creative than

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I'm still on board, but two episodes in is not very far to toss a whole filler/flashback episode at me.

My final thought- it is oddly disturbing to see a clothed wookie.