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2021/01/21 14:23:15
Subject: Perth Australia GT - Surprising Meta Results
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Since Dakka's mostly still on about marines, I thought this was interesting. Marines took 5th in this 80 person, 7 round GT. Here's the top 4 lists:
Eh - not really that surprising IMO. Australia has always been "the Upsidedown" of the competitive meta. It's regularly run somewhat counter to the rest of the world in the past (I once heard an Australian explain why this is, but can't recall what he said), and honestly, Demons have been doing well lately anyway.
Edit: I just googled ablutions and apparently it does not including dropping a duece. I should have looked it up early sorry for any confusion. - Baldsmug
Psiensis on the "good old days":
"Kids these days...
... I invented the 6th Ed meta back in 3rd ed.
Wait, what were we talking about again? Did I ever tell you about the time I gave you five bees for a quarter? That's what you'd say in those days, "give me five bees for a quarter", is what you'd say in those days. And you'd go down to the D&D shop, with an onion in your belt, 'cause that was the style of the time. So there I was in the D&D shop..."
2021/01/21 14:28:38
Subject: Perth Australia GT - Surprising Meta Results
Harlequins and Daemons are right up there with Marines.
Sororitas are fine, especially with a bunch of Eradicators Retributors.
The Tyranid list is really exciting though!
EDIT: It probably is worth noting that every single one of those lists hard-counters the bejeezus out of Marines. In a way, it's almost proof that marines are dominating so hard, when you can run an almost pure counterpick (making sacrifices elsewhere) and there are so many Marines that you win anyways.
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2021/01/21 14:34:07
Subject: Re:Perth Australia GT - Surprising Meta Results
Since Dakka's mostly still on about marines, I thought this was interesting. Marines took 5th in this 80 person, 7 round GT. Here's the top 4 lists:
Eh - not really that surprising IMO. Australia has always been "the Upsidedown" of the competitive meta. It's regularly run somewhat counter to the rest of the world in the past (I once heard an Australian explain why this is, but can't recall what he said), and honestly, Demons have been doing well lately anyway.
While I agree, I don't think Dakka follows the competitive meta enough to really know it's not all marines all the time so I like to try and provide that info. Daemons have been good (as were Death Guard if you followed TJ Lanigan's methods).
The Triple Barbed Heirodule surprised even me though!
I haven't read the point adjustments for them, but it seems to have helped them greatly.
I'll admit, the Death Korps part caught me a bit off guard too.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Harlequins and Daemons are right up there with Marines.
Sororitas are fine, especially with a bunch of Eradicators Retributors.
The Tyranid list is really exciting though!
EDIT:
It probably is worth noting that every single one of those lists hard-counters the bejeezus out of Marines. In a way, it's almost proof that marines are dominating so hard, when you can run an almost pure counterpick (making sacrifices elsewhere) and there are so many Marines that you win anyways.
It's definitely important to have an anti-marine element in your list (they are good). There's probably a lot we can tease out of deep diving these though. For instance, I don't think the Harlie-Drukhari person really sacrificed anything.
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2021/01/21 14:37:42
Subject: Re:Perth Australia GT - Surprising Meta Results
While I agree, I don't think Dakka follows the competitive meta enough to really know it's not all marines all the time so I like to try and provide that info. Daemons have been good (as were Death Guard if you followed TJ Lanigan's methods).
The Triple Barbed Heirodule surprised even me though!
That list in any other meta would be shocking to me. That said, nothing that comes out of Australia surprises me anymore. Remember a year or two ago when that guy won a GT with a list almost entirely composed of MANZ?
Edit: I just googled ablutions and apparently it does not including dropping a duece. I should have looked it up early sorry for any confusion. - Baldsmug
Psiensis on the "good old days":
"Kids these days...
... I invented the 6th Ed meta back in 3rd ed.
Wait, what were we talking about again? Did I ever tell you about the time I gave you five bees for a quarter? That's what you'd say in those days, "give me five bees for a quarter", is what you'd say in those days. And you'd go down to the D&D shop, with an onion in your belt, 'cause that was the style of the time. So there I was in the D&D shop..."
2021/01/21 14:42:01
Subject: Perth Australia GT - Surprising Meta Results
Audustum wrote: Since Dakka's mostly still on about marines, I thought this was interesting. Marines took 5th in this 80 person
The Heiordules are an interesting stand out.
But the rest of the top places? Daemons, Harlies, Sisters with death riders, Marines, Necrons, Daemons, Harlies - if you put a poll up on dakka a week or two back and asked for a list of top factions you'd probably get something like that ... https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/795335.page
Deathriders though, interesting touch and two in the top twelve. The sisters have been taking a few high spots with differing allies to fill in the gaps in the book but it was mostly marines early on.
2021/01/21 14:52:52
Subject: Perth Australia GT - Surprising Meta Results
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Edit: I just googled ablutions and apparently it does not including dropping a duece. I should have looked it up early sorry for any confusion. - Baldsmug
Psiensis on the "good old days":
"Kids these days...
... I invented the 6th Ed meta back in 3rd ed.
Wait, what were we talking about again? Did I ever tell you about the time I gave you five bees for a quarter? That's what you'd say in those days, "give me five bees for a quarter", is what you'd say in those days. And you'd go down to the D&D shop, with an onion in your belt, 'cause that was the style of the time. So there I was in the D&D shop..."
2021/01/21 14:59:12
Subject: Perth Australia GT - Surprising Meta Results
Yes, everyone was surely teching against marines, but that makes them a gatekeeper, not a contender.
In 8th if you didn't bring an answer to knights you were going to be crushed, but the knights themselves weren't really winning much.
Same here with SM.
At least this is a bit better. The knights are a mini faction, and yet they managed to warp the meta that much.
SM are warping the meta, but the marine profile is sported by 14 factions, so it kind of makes sense that you need an answer to them.
2021/01/21 15:00:43
Subject: Perth Australia GT - Surprising Meta Results
Spoletta wrote: So in the end Sororitas and Demons are the tier 1 of the meta right now? (assuming that this isn't just Aussies meta)
Daemons are definitely up there.
The top two sisters lists were both packed with krieg deathriders. Pure sisters were top 20 though, they are pretty strong.
2021/01/21 15:39:25
Subject: Perth Australia GT - Surprising Meta Results
Curious whether the Drukhari list is using the stupidly obvious typo points value from the recent Munitorum Points Adjustment.
For those not in the know, most things in the drukhari list got a 2-3 point drop.
Except for Hellions, which were raised 2 points - from 14pts to 17pt
and for Reavers, which were lowered from 20pts to 10pts.
This is a clear and obvious typo, and we now have a winning tourney list with like 15 Reavers in it.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
2021/01/21 15:40:59
Subject: Perth Australia GT - Surprising Meta Results
Since Dakka's mostly still on about marines, I thought this was interesting. Marines took 5th in this 80 person, 7 round GT. Here's the top 4 lists:
Eh - not really that surprising IMO. Australia has always been "the Upsidedown" of the competitive meta. It's regularly run somewhat counter to the rest of the world in the past (I once heard an Australian explain why this is, but can't recall what he said), and honestly, Demons have been doing well lately anyway.
Well they do have harlis in top 4. This means that even when put upside down, the army still breaks 9th ed boundries on what is good.
But yeah demons have been doing really well the last few months, no suprise in top 4 for me other then the tyranid list, and that not because I know it should be bad or anything, I just don't know a thing about most FW units. So hard to imagine a list build around 3 big FW units for nids.
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If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
2021/01/21 16:17:24
Subject: Perth Australia GT - Surprising Meta Results
the_scotsman wrote: Curious whether the Drukhari list is using the stupidly obvious typo points value from the recent Munitorum Points Adjustment.
For those not in the know, most things in the drukhari list got a 2-3 point drop.
Except for Hellions, which were raised 2 points - from 14pts to 17pt
and for Reavers, which were lowered from 20pts to 10pts.
This is a clear and obvious typo, and we now have a winning tourney list with like 15 Reavers in it.
Yeah, that Reaver gak makes me cringe. Normally I don't fault players in these situations, but... you know what you did there, Aussieman! You know those points are not regular GW wrong, but flat out wrong wrong! And I cringe even more that GW didn't fix that as soon as the community noticed, no need to wait 2 weeks.
2021/01/21 16:33:32
Subject: Perth Australia GT - Surprising Meta Results
So many necrons and harlequins in top 16. more DE then marines too. Ton of sisters too. And to make stuff really fun the top black templar space marine army is running, if I ain't wrong, 0 eradicators.
If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
2021/01/21 17:02:49
Subject: Perth Australia GT - Surprising Meta Results
So a breakdown of the top 16:
1st: Chaos Soup (Daemons + Chaos Space Marines)
2nd: Eldar Soup (Harlequins + Dark Eldar)
3rd: Imperial Soup (Sisters + Death Korps of Krieg)
4th: Tyranids
5th: Space Marines
6th: Necrons
7th: Chaos Daemons
8th: Eldar Soup (Harlequins + Eldar)
9th: Chaos Daemons
10th: Necrons
11th: Imperial Soup (Sisters + Death Korps of Krieg)
12th: Necrons
13th: Dark Eldar
14th: Necrons
15th: Sisters
16th: Deathwatch
A lot of these lists have some unusual quirks to what they've included. More than likely, a strong focus on staying and contesting objectives over firepower. Also, a lot of Daemons and Necrons here.
2021/01/21 17:12:45
Subject: Perth Australia GT - Surprising Meta Results
Darsath wrote: Does anyone have a breakdown of the top 16 of the event? Thanks.
Interesting to see the variation in the top 16, not just one theme to each faction list.
Sisters are all pretty similar but they don't have the options to play with. Crons and daemons mix things up a lot more though, as do the allied elements of the harlies lists.
Spoiler:
1) Slaanesh daemons and marines
2) Harlies supported by DE reavers
3) 2/3rds sisters with a lot of multimeltas, 1/3rd forgeworld deathriders
4) Nids with three Barbed Heiordules
5) Assault focussed Black templars
6) Necrons led by the Silent King
7) Daemons, mostly small nurgle units led by three greater daemons and be'lakor
8) Harlies with a focus on skyweavers and allied shining spears
9) Daemons, four greater daemons and a mix of every god in support
10) Necrons, two ctan shards, wraith, scarabs, destroyers
11) Sisters and krieg, much the same as 2nd place.
12) Vehicle heavy Crons - stalkers, arks, and barges with support
13) Dark Eldar, mix of units
14) Crons, Tesseract vault and a fair bit of heavy support
15) Sisters, standard mix of valorous infantry and bloody rose assault units
16) Deathwatch primaris
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2021/01/21 17:44:05
Subject: Perth Australia GT - Surprising Meta Results
I want to point out that it's not really a Death Korps list at all; it's Sisters with a bunch of Death Riders. They've been a great unit for Death Korps since the start of 8th, but I have my doubts about the viability of a pure Death Korps list.
Triple Barbed Hierodule doesn't surprise me in the slightest. The Hierodules got a huge boost in the FW update. The Barbed in particular, as Jormungandr, enjoys a 1+ armor save. General consensus over in Tactics is that both flavors of Hierodule and the Dimachaeron are now the best monstrous creatures available to the army.
As Jormungandr, with a Malanthrope and Maleceptor nearby, three Barbed Hierodules represent 54 wounds at T8/1+ with -1 to hit and -1 to wound. That's a lot to chew through.
Yeah, that Reaver gak makes me cringe. Normally I don't fault players in these situations, but... you know what you did there, Aussieman! You know those points are not regular GW wrong, but flat out wrong wrong! And I cringe even more that GW didn't fix that as soon as the community noticed, no need to wait 2 weeks.
So you're saying it doesn't count because you don't agree with GW?
2021/01/21 19:20:24
Subject: Perth Australia GT - Surprising Meta Results
Spoletta wrote: When it comes to DE, we are using their 9th edition points with their 8th edition profiles.
Many things are not going to make any sense.
I hope not. If you are right, 9th ed Reavers will likely be pretty fething gak at 10 points each
and hellions will be absolute chads comparatively. maybe theyre finally getting those pumpkin bombs.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
2021/01/21 19:45:54
Subject: Perth Australia GT - Surprising Meta Results
Eldar 
Imperial Guard 
Space Marines
That said, nothing that comes out of Australia surprises me anymore. Remember a year or two ago when that guy won a 
