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Just saw the above one on youtube:

https://youtu.be/DcA0T88WL1Q

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https://youtu.be/h4Ftvn2JYng

Looks like the suits from Appleseed. They also got already nicknames from the community such as "Nundam" and "Babecarrier".

I am still a bit on the fence about them though. Still need to see all available weapon options and the sister's arms might be a bit too thin.

The attempt to make the suit arms more feminine is just lazy; it looks so impractical there's nothing cool about it. If it were just a gun bot, that would be one thing but, swinging heavy weapons, it just looks bad.

Also, the part where so many of these designs derive from the original ALIENS space forklift that completely misses the point of it as an improvised weapon adds to the silliness.

I really don;t like it.

I am not sure if its salvagable for me tbh

Maybe she has lost her legs so gets this for combat.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
The attempt to make the suit arms more feminine is just lazy; it looks so impractical there's nothing cool about it. If it were just a gun bot, that would be one thing but, swinging heavy weapons, it just looks bad.

Also, the part where so many of these designs derive from the original ALIENS space forklift that completely misses the point of it as an improvised weapon adds to the silliness.

Agreed 100%.

Whole 40k is impractical, anyway.

Past the surprise (I really didn't expect to get a new unit like this for SoB), I like them. The design is coherent with the rest of the army, they're not too big nor too small and they're not overcharged with weapons and such. They also look like they will be easy to paint (thanks the God Emperor for that !).

Will definitely take a couple of boxes of those.

They said they were good in melee in the preview video. Though I don't think SoB were exactly lacking in that field, I welcome them anyway. Something tells me they'll have a good firepower as well...

I don't particularly like it, but are you seriously suggesting that the arms of the suit is too slender to manage the weapons?

 ik0ner wrote:
I don't particularly like it, but are you seriously suggesting that the arms of the suit is too slender to manage the weapons?

What have I written? I have written about the SISTER'S arms. Limbs of the suit itself are fine.

 Strg Alt wrote:

What have I written? I have written about the SISTER'S arms. Limbs of the suit itself are fine.

They look like the same than normal infantry sisters of battle. Which are indeed a bit too thin given they're wearing power armours, but that's still consistent with the rest of the army.

Changing that would mean they'd look weird next to their "lil sisters".

 Strg Alt wrote:

 ik0ner wrote:
I don't particularly like it, but are you seriously suggesting that the arms of the suit is too slender to manage the weapons?

What have I written? I have written about the SISTER'S arms. Limbs of the suit itself are fine.

Eh, wasn't your post sorry.

I think the Sister's arms are fine. I suspect there is a perspective issue since you never see a Sister of Battle's arms so close to something that large. To copy what I said elsewhere, my issues with this model are:

1. The suit's legs are too far apart for a human to fit their legs in them.
2. The thighs of the suit are too long for the pilots knees to be at the suit's knees, but seem too short for their feet to fit in them above the knees.
3. While not uncommon in 40K models, this suit has no peripheral vision. She has less than a 180 degree view.

I'm bad at estimating sizes. Anybody have a guess about what base size this is going to be on, or model height? Looks to me like a 60mm base? or maybe a 50...

 alextroy wrote:

Spoiler:

I think the Sister's arms are fine. I suspect there is a perspective issue since you never see a Sister of Battle's arms so close to something that large. To copy what I said elsewhere, my issues with this model are:

1. The suit's legs are too far apart for a human to fit their legs in them.
2. The thighs of the suit are too long for the pilots knees to be at the suit's knees, but seem too short for their feet to fit in them above the knees.
3. While not uncommon in 40K models, this suit has no peripheral vision. She has less than a 180 degree view.

I kind of assumed she had no legs (the sister inside that is)

Probably feel very uncomfortable sitting in one, look how far the legs are apart. Legs are too long. The thing looks so uncanny.

Can't they just made a penitent engine with armor cockpit (that isn't a torture device) for the pilot instead? lol

I just can't buy that for a non-special character. In 40K if you lose a leg, they grow you a new one or put on a cybernetic. They don't create an entire warsuit filled to the brim with weapons and wait around for someone to lose their legs to pilot it.

And before you say they volunteer, the practicality of having legless Sisters hanging about for heavy combat but unable to get themselves across the average room negates the advantage.

 alextroy wrote:

1. The suit's legs are too far apart for a human to fit their legs in them.

Firstborn Space Marines syndrome.

2. The thighs of the suit are too long for the pilots knees to be at the suit's knees, but seem too short for their feet to fit in them above the knees.

I bet they're actually piloted like Shadowsun's new exo-armor, with her legs fitting the thighs and maybe the feet going into the knees.

3. While not uncommon in 40K models, this suit has no peripheral vision. She has less than a 180 degree view.

So what ? That's pretty much how all big armors from the Imperium are, in the end.

At this point, trying to criticize that aspect just means you're not for 40k's whole design. Everything in 40k is impractical and unrealist. They're miniatures with a theme and they've always been overexaggerated.

Rihgu wrote:
I'm bad at estimating sizes. Anybody have a guess about what base size this is going to be on, or model height? Looks to me like a 60mm base? or maybe a 50...

I think they're on a 50 base. They look like they're the size of a Penitent Engine (latest kit).

I haven't played Sisters but they seem to add a heavy melee unit to the army. These almost look like Sisters of Battle Centurions to me. I'm guessing a Gravis or better defensive statline for these things and hopefully they'll have some serious quality melee.

Given that each can lug a heavy weapon, they could probably make a serious dent in something large with those multi meltas and perhaps depending on the quality of their melee weapons, punch apart most of the increasingly heavy targets that are cropping up.

Sarouan wrote:

 alextroy wrote:

1. The suit's legs are too far apart for a human to fit their legs in them.

Firstborn Space Marines syndrome.

2. The thighs of the suit are too long for the pilots knees to be at the suit's knees, but seem too short for their feet to fit in them above the knees.

I bet they're actually piloted like Shadowsun's new exo-armor, with her legs fitting the thighs and maybe the feet going into the knees.

3. While not uncommon in 40K models, this suit has no peripheral vision. She has less than a 180 degree view.

So what ? That's pretty much how all big armors from the Imperium are, in the end.

At this point, trying to criticize that aspect just means you're not for 40k's whole design. Everything in 40k is impractical and unrealist. They're miniatures with a theme and they've always been overexaggerated.

Rihgu wrote:
I'm bad at estimating sizes. Anybody have a guess about what base size this is going to be on, or model height? Looks to me like a 60mm base? or maybe a 50...

I think they're on a 50 base. They look like they're the size of a Penitent Engine (latest kit).

I really don't get why people claim gak is impractical. in the whole of 40k I think onl;y 1 vehicle is all that practical (the rhino) and even then I'm iffy on that

Sarouan wrote:

 alextroy wrote:

1. The suit's legs are too far apart for a human to fit their legs in them.

Firstborn Space Marines syndrome.

2. The thighs of the suit are too long for the pilots knees to be at the suit's knees, but seem too short for their feet to fit in them above the knees.

I bet they're actually piloted like Shadowsun's new exo-armor, with her legs fitting the thighs and maybe the feet going into the knees.

3. While not uncommon in 40K models, this suit has no peripheral vision. She has less than a 180 degree view.

So what ? That's pretty much how all big armors from the Imperium are, in the end.

At this point, trying to criticize that aspect just means you're not for 40k's whole design. Everything in 40k is impractical and unrealist. They're miniatures with a theme and they've always been overexaggerated.

Rihgu wrote:
I'm bad at estimating sizes. Anybody have a guess about what base size this is going to be on, or model height? Looks to me like a 60mm base? or maybe a 50...

I think they're on a 50 base. They look like they're the size of a Penitent Engine (latest kit).

I like the model but do have to suspend belief. As stated, if the legs are inside the suit's "legs" there are multiple issues. If it were to walk, naturally the sister would want to use normal gait, and there is no way her knee joint can flex within the location of the upper thigh. The actual groin of the sister would have to be higher than suit groin to allow the legs to fit into the suit's legs, unless they separate her pelvis upon insertion into the suit!. So anatomically, it's a complete disaster, and from simple gait mechanics, a simple no go.
The only solution is it has to be a sister without legs, placed into the suit. If that's the case, she should have some neural connection to the suit to make the "legs" walk like normal legs. That doesn't appear to be the case.

But it's 40K, it has big guns, and it wants to hit things on the head.....it's all good

 Strg Alt wrote:
Just saw the above one on youtube:

https://youtu.be/DcA0T88WL1Q

Looks like the suits from Appleseed. They also got already nicknames from the community such as "Nundam" and "Babecarrier".

I am still a bit on the fence about them though. Still need to see all available weapon options and the sister's arms might be a bit too thin.

I would say its armed with the Holy trinity. Bolter, flamer and melta. Looking at it all three are the heavy versions.

Andrew

I think it looks all right.

If they have strong rules, I'll probably end up painting a squad or two.

But for the most part it's a bit uninspired, IMO.

If I want to play with chunky models like this I could simply break out some Gravis Marines or Custodes or some such. The design (to me) does seem to come from "how can we do something cool with Sisters" and more "how can we chuck some XL-Gravis-sized "Infantry" kits into other armies".

 bullyboy wrote:


I like the model but do have to suspend belief. As stated, if the legs are inside the suit's "legs" there are multiple issues. If it were to walk, naturally the sister would want to use normal gait, and there is no way her knee joint can flex within the location of the upper thigh. The actual groin of the sister would have to be higher than suit groin to allow the legs to fit into the suit's legs, unless they separate her pelvis upon insertion into the suit!. So anatomically, it's a complete disaster, and from simple gait mechanics, a simple no go.
The only solution is it has to be a sister without legs, placed into the suit. If that's the case, she should have some neural connection to the suit to make the "legs" walk like normal legs. That doesn't appear to be the case.

Normal sisters of battle in power armor are already not possible anatomically : their power armors are way too thin for a trained human's body, anyway. It's especially showing when you put Repentia (unarmored sisters) next to them, while their limbs are almost as thick.

So the whole army is already unrealist on that matter.

As for that specific matter with the exo-armor...it's exactly the same than for T'au crisis battlesuits. There's no way a living T'au can fit in that armor with the proportions of the miniature. Yet, it's the same principle, as some official artwork from GW showed it's actually meant to be that way.

Suspension of disbelief on just that, sure why not...but if you're really collecting a SoB army, your suspension of disbelief has already be activated on far worse than that.


Besides, sisters do believe in self-flagellation as showing their faith in the God Emperor. Being uncomfortable in an exo-suit is perfectly bearable for them - and even looked after.

 alextroy wrote:
I just can't buy that for a non-special character. In 40K if you lose a leg, they grow you a new one or put on a cybernetic. They don't create an entire warsuit filled to the brim with weapons and wait around for someone to lose their legs to pilot it.

And before you say they volunteer, the practicality of having legless Sisters hanging about for heavy combat but unable to get themselves across the average room negates the advantage.

I haven't read the fluff of the model yet so can't comment whether the pilot is a cripple or a sister which just suited up.

Though my educated guess would be that the pilot wasn't previously wounded because this model has similarities with the GK Dread Knight whose pilot isn't depending on the suit.

No peripheral vision:
Chances are pretty high that radar has been installed in the suit. HUD of the helmet displays that info then for the pilot.

 AndrewC wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
Just saw the above one on youtube:

https://youtu.be/DcA0T88WL1Q

Looks like the suits from Appleseed. They also got already nicknames from the community such as "Nundam" and "Babecarrier".

I am still a bit on the fence about them though. Still need to see all available weapon options and the sister's arms might be a bit too thin.

I would say its armed with the Holy trinity. Bolter, flamer and melta. Looking at it all three are the heavy versions.

Andrew

One in the official video (at 0:57 and 1:13) looks to have shoulder missile launchers (and a mace rather than sword, and thankfully a helmet). The other shoulder weapons are maybe? twin heavy bolters (in each shoulder), but the barrels look a bit stubby to me. (checked again, at 1:18, at an angle, they do look like heavy bolter barrels). These thing have a ridiculous amount of dakka.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4Ftvn2JYng

Ah, so that's what they do when a sister loses her legs, then...

 AndrewC wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
Just saw the above one on youtube:

https://youtu.be/DcA0T88WL1Q

Looks like the suits from Appleseed. They also got already nicknames from the community such as "Nundam" and "Babecarrier".

I am still a bit on the fence about them though. Still need to see all available weapon options and the sister's arms might be a bit too thin.

I would say its armed with the Holy trinity. Bolter, flamer and melta. Looking at it all three are the heavy versions.

Andrew

They have also shown a model equipped with shoulder-mounted missile launchers.

 alextroy wrote:

Spoiler:

I think the Sister's arms are fine. I suspect there is a perspective issue since you never see a Sister of Battle's arms so close to something that large. To copy what I said elsewhere, my issues with this model are:

1. The suit's legs are too far apart for a human to fit their legs in them.
2. The thighs of the suit are too long for the pilots knees to be at the suit's knees, but seem too short for their feet to fit in them above the knees.
3. While not uncommon in 40K models, this suit has no peripheral vision. She has less than a 180 degree view.

I *hate* that the proportions are so female. Doesn't make any sense, they should have just put sisters in some penitent engines or given them one like this:
Even the Centurion are better than this!! I thought GW learnt their lesson with those but clearly not.



If they end up being good, will have to put some sisters in penitent engines with a different weapon load out + seat.

Invictor Tactical Warsuit like with sister inside would have been considerably better, even if they were smaller.

While I love sisters getting new models this is a miss by a mile.

It's the Shadowsun debate all over again.

It will pass, like it in its time.

 ceorron wrote:

 alextroy wrote:

Spoiler:

I think the Sister's arms are fine. I suspect there is a perspective issue since you never see a Sister of Battle's arms so close to something that large. To copy what I said elsewhere, my issues with this model are:

1. The suit's legs are too far apart for a human to fit their legs in them.
2. The thighs of the suit are too long for the pilots knees to be at the suit's knees, but seem too short for their feet to fit in them above the knees.
3. While not uncommon in 40K models, this suit has no peripheral vision. She has less than a 180 degree view.

I *hate* that the proportions are so female. Doesn't make any sense, they should have just put sisters in some penitent engines or given them one like this:
Even the Centurion are better than this!! I thought GW learnt their lesson with those but clearly not.

Spoiler:

For comparison

If they end up being good, will have to put some sisters in penitent engines with a different weapon load out + seat.

Invictor Tactical Warsuit like with sister inside would have been considerably better, even if they were smaller.

While I love sisters getting new models this is a miss by a mile.

Sisters in penitent engines are called mortifiers.

Rihgu wrote:

 ceorron wrote:

 alextroy wrote:

Spoiler:

I think the Sister's arms are fine. I suspect there is a perspective issue since you never see a Sister of Battle's arms so close to something that large. To copy what I said elsewhere, my issues with this model are:

1. The suit's legs are too far apart for a human to fit their legs in them.
2. The thighs of the suit are too long for the pilots knees to be at the suit's knees, but seem too short for their feet to fit in them above the knees.
3. While not uncommon in 40K models, this suit has no peripheral vision. She has less than a 180 degree view.

I *hate* that the proportions are so female. Doesn't make any sense, they should have just put sisters in some penitent engines or given them one like this:
Even the Centurion are better than this!! I thought GW learnt their lesson with those but clearly not.

Spoiler:

For comparison

If they end up being good, will have to put some sisters in penitent engines with a different weapon load out + seat.

Invictor Tactical Warsuit like with sister inside would have been considerably better, even if they were smaller.

While I love sisters getting new models this is a miss by a mile.

Sisters in penitent engines are called mortifiers.

That is not the same as this.

I have the perfect scenario for this model in mind:

Rift Breaker (Video game)
https://youtu.be/q7vo93QReKY

Still need to paint my horde of about sixty or more genestealers to make it happen. :(