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A.T. wrote:
Someone posted this photoshop up on facebook.

Same weird proportions as the original, nothing stretched out. Somehow it seems to work as a disconcerting but not 'wrong' figure once the sister is gone.

Ok now that looks freaking sweet.

 warboss wrote:

Voss wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Did I miss something skimming through the last pages of the thread? Why did this get shunted from News and Rumors when it's the discussion of a brand new revealed model?

It didn't. The preview thread is still in N&R. This is Strg Alt's general discussion thread specifically about the Sisters suit.

I'm pretty sure this thread started there and think it was moved at some point this weekend. I almost never check this subforum. Regardless, I was just curious.

Yes, I posted this first in News & Rumors and a Mod moved the thread here.

I do like the "concept art" in the video, but dislike the actual model. Something just doesn't feel right about it. Helmeted version is better though.. maybe if I see it in person? I'm more confused why Sisters will get another walker. Haven't we covered two legged melee units for them already? I'd prefer their range to be expanded into other directions.

 Banzaimash wrote:
But instead it's just another confusing baby-carrier. I honestly wonder what kind of people buy half the stuff GW releases these days.

People don't like what I like, so let me publicly question their taste to show that MY preferred aesthetics are superior

Karol wrote:
Does it even matter how they look? If they are properly costed, then a unit of melta not-termintors could be an interesting choice for some SoB builds.

You realize that like 90% of the playerbase are hobbyists whose lists consist of things that they think just look cool, right?

How close is it to a Armiger in size, might be able to mix and match...

 Strg Alt wrote:
@Ninth Musketeer:

"Models are bad because they don't wear helmets/armour."

Ok, stop. Please calm down. That is not what I said at all. I am getting a strong impression that I have accidently hit a nerve, I apologize but what you are depicting as my position is completely off the mark; you are reacting to an opinion no one, let alone me, has expressed in the thread.


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a_typical_hero wrote:

 Banzaimash wrote:
But instead it's just another confusing baby-carrier. I honestly wonder what kind of people buy half the stuff GW releases these days.

People don't like what I like, so let me publicly question their taste to show that MY preferred aesthetics are superior

IKR? I personally do not like it, but that doesn't mean I am possessed of a sudden urge to delegitimize the opinion of people who do.

It is exactly the same height, and shoulder width as Penitent Engines and Mortifiers, and every single point of articulation on both the suit and the pilots lines up with these models as well.

There's a side by side pick earlier in the thread.

Someone commented that this model was unnecessary because we have Penitent Engines and Mortifiers. What this person fails to acknowledge is that the pilots of these two machines are fallen from grace; they do not receive order traits, either because their orders disowned them or because they were never sisters in the first place, nor can they use Acts of Faith.

This is why we need Paragons: they are righteous enough to emulate their Order and channel the divine will of the Emperor. This is also why they have a radically different design; PE's and Morties are dark and dismal engines of torture and suffering. These are at home among the Holiest Sisters of the Order.

And finally, if you've just got beef with the concept of exo-suits, which many seem to, obviously you aren't going to like it no matter what it looks like; the specific aesthetic is irrelevant. I happen to like exo-suits; pretty much the only one that I don't like is the Dreadknight. Because I like exo-suits, and because this is supposed to be one, I do not like any of the mods that make it look more like a terminator. They may have better lines and proportions; they may be more aesthetically pleasing- but this is a war walker, not a terminator. It should not look like one, even if the look is good.

 Strg Alt wrote:
Yes, I posted this first in News & Rumors and a Mod moved the thread here.

Thanks for confiming. It seems an odd choice but no skin off my back as it's neither my thread nor am I a fan of the actual model. It's rare that a model looks as goofy in the same ways as the dreadknight but this one hit the bulleye in that regard IMO. YMMV.

Why is thinking it ugly and irrelevant somehow a trigger issue for folks? Just because we don't like it we are suddenly hurting you in some manner?




You know what's funny? It's eerily similar to 40k lore about their armor/suits. You have the nueral link/black carapace. You have the artificial humans designed to fight humanity's wars, you even have the mega corporation the makes the suits and complains how costly everything is.

apologies for bad typing here, my usual keyboard just got killed and i'm using a poor replacement with totally different layout.

My 2% of a throne on this matter.

IG are basically the bottom of the barrel in the imperium. I mean, what are the requirements? Are you pretty much physically human? Do you have basic motor skills? A pulse? You're in! Illiterate? No problem!

They get the simplest and most basic cheap gear.

Now some are more capable and when recognized are assigned to better units like the stormtroopers.

Things like these exoframes are high end gear and are reserved for the better units, plus you need to be mentally able to use them. The average SOB is likely literate, taught to read holy books and whatnot. She can follow the old advice and RTFM.

Also she is dedicated enough to commit to learning to use these more advanced system, and loyal enough to be trusted with it.

This thing is a force multiplier, and you give it to your better troops so increase their effectiveness more.

Also SOB units in a lot of ways are more important thaN the IG, as if used properly and effectively can crush a GSC chaos uprising early on that major force is not needed. Their most vital role is to see to it that small problems die before they become big ones.

So, yes, i can see the sisters getting these while the guard doesn't. Plus the guard gets sentinels, easier to make and use, and generally just packing heavy firepower for regular use.

a_typical_hero wrote:
I do like the "concept art" in the video, but dislike the actual model. Something just doesn't feel right about it. Helmeted version is better though.. maybe if I see it in person? I'm more confused why Sisters will get another walker. Haven't we covered two legged melee units for them already? I'd prefer their range to be expanded into other directions.

 Banzaimash wrote:
But instead it's just another confusing baby-carrier. I honestly wonder what kind of people buy half the stuff GW releases these days.

People don't like what I like, so let me publicly question their taste to show that MY preferred aesthetics are superior

I'll question bad taste when I see it all damn day. Having standards is a good thing, try it sometime.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Why is thinking it ugly and irrelevant somehow a trigger issue for folks? Just because we don't like it we are suddenly hurting you in some manner?




You know what's funny? It's eerily similar to 40k lore about their armor/suits. You have the nueral link/black carapace. You have the artificial humans designed to fight humanity's wars, you even have the mega corporation the makes the suits and complains how costly everything is.

Exosquad was a great show, still holds up really well, shame it got canned at the start of a new plot. My brother and I used to have so many of the toys lol

 Banzaimash wrote:
I'll question bad taste when I see it all damn day. Having standards is a good thing, try it sometime.

You can express your opinion without demeaning other people. Your snippy remark is missing its target, as I stated that I'm not a fan of the model either.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

Karol wrote:
Does it even matter how they look? If they are properly costed, then a unit of melta not-termintors could be an interesting choice for some SoB builds.

You realize that like 90% of the playerbase are hobbyists whose lists consist of things that they think just look cool, right?

I don't think this is actually true.
The units you see the most of are invariably the best units. How competitive a thing is seems to be the core of any discussion of 40k, not just on the internet but IRL.
Most players fall somewhere in the middle.

If I can further add, I like it but it's for the looks and the feels. They could have done better but man they could have done so much worse. I'll be thinking of at least a squad of these ladies if they are really good maybe two but that is more because I always have a problem with having just one of a unit. Always feels like that is setting myself up to have them deleted and never actually do what I want them to do.

I play Guard though often and man you have to build redundancy in that army as one of anything is never enough to live and do its job.

So that probably just has me a bit gun shy of running solo units.

I will be interested to find out if they make this a squadable unit, like Sentinels, or a possible HQ choice as well as like a Vertus Praetor, or a Librarian/Chaplain on a bike. That would be very interesting to see the possible combinations if this is a sort of "wearable" suit. A Cannoness of the BR inside one of these would be an ugly beatstick.

From the size they look to be squads. However I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't. If I had to bet, I'd say squads that can't break apart. Though I'd love them more if they were tough and potent enough to operate on their own once deployed as a squad.

a_typical_hero wrote:

 Banzaimash wrote:
I'll question bad taste when I see it all damn day. Having standards is a good thing, try it sometime.

You can express your opinion without demeaning other people. Your snippy remark is missing its target, as I stated that I'm not a fan of the model either.

You're on this forum, on this thread, so I assume you like 40k. You say you don't like what GW has made, so why not speak out against it and stand up for your own interests, rather than standing by permissively as this visual pollution takes place. You don't like this now, and more things will come that you don't like, until one day you come to a table to play and it is filled with things you don't like. The game will be a different beast and have thrown you off along the way.

PenitentJake wrote:
It is exactly the same height, and shoulder width as Penitent Engines and Mortifiers, and every single point of articulation on both the suit and the pilots lines up with these models as well.

There's a side by side pick earlier in the thread.

So this means there will be excellent kitbashing potential when combining these two kits in new ways!

We've only seen one example so far and even that looked awesome. Can't wait to see more!

 Banzaimash wrote:
You're on this forum, on this thread, so I assume you like 40k. You say you don't like what GW has made, so why not speak out against it and stand up for your own interests, rather than standing by permissively as this visual pollution takes place. You don't like this now, and more things will come that you don't like, until one day you come to a table to play and it is filled with things you don't like. The game will be a different beast and have thrown you off along the way.

I appreciate your response, I just think you are barking at the wrong tree. People can only buy what GW offers them. Your gripe is with the Company's art direction, not fellow hobbyists.

This sculpt is a near miss for me. Its canon is a greater issue, but I've bought models in the past (stormraven, stormtalon) that I've felt were borderline aesthetically and have enjoyed the challenge of modifying them to conform to my personal tastes.

I think the photo shop efforts here are on the right path. I would probably do something similar but change the head area into something sallet helm-like, but more in scale with the machine itself - not an actual sister's head. No thanks.

I don't like how smooth and sophisticated it looks. The IoM isn't known for organic lines and practical miniaturization, they weld steel boxes together and just add more armor, guns, and/or horsepower to whatever they're building if it isn't getting the job done (or just send ten next time). Their alternative aesthetic is baroque insanity, and I prefer the Sisters to be at the convergence of those two, bedazzling iron boxes with a moderately sized catholic church's worth of bling.

Personally, I'd probably convert a "ranged penitent engine", if I felt the need to run these in a SoB army. Replace one melee weapon with a multimelta, don't attach the flamers/bolters on the other melee arm, and add the heavy bolters somewhere. Ideally to the frame to match the feel of this new suit (there might be room atop the shoulders or hips), but doubling them up on an arm might work in a pinch. Rocket tubes aren't that hard to come by for the alternate loadout, particularly if you have some spares from an exorcist laying around for that organ themed look and nice warheads.

I might like them more as some sort of AdMech walker, honestly. Get a skitarii or servitor in there (why not make it a dual build box while we're fantasizing), replace some details with cogs, paint it red, and you've got a passable new battle rig. Something between a dragoon and kataphron. It'd still be a little too sleek and remind me too much of the top heavy droids from Star Wars, but it wouldn't bother me as much.

It would be impossible for the sister to fit her legs inside the legs of the mech suit given how far apart they are. It's sorta the whole Terminator shoulder issue all over again where the suit is designed to be impossible to actually fit in. Might work if the Sister's legs where cut off but if that's the case when why have the sister's arms expose controlling the the suit arms. Same issue if the sister is suppose to be tucked into the suit (like a Tau Crisis Suit pilot).

Because of the odd leg situation it looks like they took a larger scale sister model and put it's waist and legs onto the mech suit. As others have pointed out that it sorta looks a bit like an Eldar wraith unit. Of course it's also a little sister version of the Dreadknight (aka the baby carrier).

a_typical_hero wrote:

 Banzaimash wrote:
You're on this forum, on this thread, so I assume you like 40k. You say you don't like what GW has made, so why not speak out against it and stand up for your own interests, rather than standing by permissively as this visual pollution takes place. You don't like this now, and more things will come that you don't like, until one day you come to a table to play and it is filled with things you don't like. The game will be a different beast and have thrown you off along the way.

I appreciate your response, I just think you are barking at the wrong tree. People can only buy what GW offers them. Your gripe is with the Company's art direction, not fellow hobbyists.

The issue is it's the players buying the latest eyesore that feed the beast. If no one bought ugly trash like Inceptors or Infiltrators or whatever they wouldn't be sold. Plenty of perfectly good models out there they can buy from GW instead. At the end of the day this is first and formost a visual hobby, so the aesthetic appeal of a unit is paramount to enjoyment. As I've said in another thread, there's a marked distance between differing tastes and something being abhorrent to the eye and failing to meet a basic standard of appearance. Kind of like how whether you like wearing a blue suit or a black suit to work is up to you, but you'd be stupid and incredibly inappropriate to turn up in in a gimp suit.

Man! WHy do people keep buying that ugly trash! THey're just eyesores! THis is objective fact and standards!

Nevermind that standards are apparently set by the masses, who keep buying and daresay enjoying these eyesores. But no, that's not the standard. The standard is that they are trash. This is not my opinion.

edit: to be clear this is sarcasm

Rihgu wrote:
Man! WHy do people keep buying that ugly trash! THey're just eyesores! THis is objective fact and standards!

Nevermind that standards are apparently set by the masses, who keep buying and daresay enjoying these eyesores. But no, that's not the standard. The standard is that they are trash. This is not my opinion.

Of course its your opinion - how could something so subjective be anything else? Don't be silly.

I really don't like these new models but thats my opinion - it has no more weight than anyone elses. Apparently quite a few people like them - like some people like Centurions and Dreadknights

 Vankraken wrote:
It would be impossible for the sister to fit her legs inside the legs of the mech suit given how far apart they are. It's sorta the whole Terminator shoulder issue all over again where the suit is designed to be impossible to actually fit in. Might work if the Sister's legs where cut off but if that's the case when why have the sister's arms expose controlling the the suit arms. Same issue if the sister is suppose to be tucked into the suit (like a Tau Crisis Suit pilot).

Because of the odd leg situation it looks like they took a larger scale sister model and put it's waist and legs onto the mech suit. As others have pointed out that it sorta looks a bit like an Eldar wraith unit. Of course it's also a little sister version of the Dreadknight (aka the baby carrier).

How would it be impossible? we litterally see her thighs and we can see that they connect to her body properly.


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 Banzaimash wrote:


The issue is it's the players buying the latest eyesore that feed the beast. If no one bought ugly trash like Inceptors or Infiltrators or whatever they wouldn't be sold. Plenty of perfectly good models out there they can buy from GW instead. At the end of the day this is first and formost a visual hobby, so the aesthetic appeal of a unit is paramount to enjoyment. As I've said in another thread, there's a marked distance between differing tastes and something being abhorrent to the eye and failing to meet a basic standard of appearance. Kind of like how whether you like wearing a blue suit or a black suit to work is up to you, but you'd be stupid and incredibly inappropriate to turn up in in a gimp suit.

"Paragon warsuits, centurions, Inceptors and infiltrators are the only nice models from GW. If no one bought ugly trash like oldmarines , they wouldnt be sold. Plenty of perfectly good models out there you can buy instead of the models you enjoy. I am the ultimate authority on what you are allower to enjoy".

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Vankraken wrote:
It would be impossible for the sister to fit her legs inside the legs of the mech suit given how far apart they are. It's sorta the whole Terminator shoulder issue all over again where the suit is designed to be impossible to actually fit in. Might work if the Sister's legs where cut off but if that's the case when why have the sister's arms expose controlling the the suit arms. Same issue if the sister is suppose to be tucked into the suit (like a Tau Crisis Suit pilot).

Because of the odd leg situation it looks like they took a larger scale sister model and put it's waist and legs onto the mech suit. As others have pointed out that it sorta looks a bit like an Eldar wraith unit. Of course it's also a little sister version of the Dreadknight (aka the baby carrier).

How would it be impossible? we litterally see her thighs and we can see that they connect to her body properly.


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 Banzaimash wrote:


The issue is it's the players buying the latest eyesore that feed the beast. If no one bought ugly trash like Inceptors or Infiltrators or whatever they wouldn't be sold. Plenty of perfectly good models out there they can buy from GW instead. At the end of the day this is first and formost a visual hobby, so the aesthetic appeal of a unit is paramount to enjoyment. As I've said in another thread, there's a marked distance between differing tastes and something being abhorrent to the eye and failing to meet a basic standard of appearance. Kind of like how whether you like wearing a blue suit or a black suit to work is up to you, but you'd be stupid and incredibly inappropriate to turn up in in a gimp suit.

"Paragon warsuits, centurions, Inceptors and infiltrators are the only nice models from GW. If no one bought ugly trash like oldmarines , they wouldnt be sold. Plenty of perfectly good models out there you can buy instead of the models you enjoy. I am the ultimate authority on what you are allower to enjoy".

Never said it was just about my opinion. No one person sets the standards, just like no one person decided what the world of business would wear. It's all about the opinion of the majority, and however cute you fancy being, the opinion you're facetiously trying to make a point out of is the minority, no matter how much you try and browbeat people who don't simply want to roll over and watch their hobby destroyed.

As I've said in another thread, there's a marked distance between differing tastes and something being abhorrent to the eye and failing to meet a basic standard of appearance.

And just like in that other thread, I'm still waiting for you to explain what the "basic standard of appearance" is for 40k models ...

Wait...models that you don't like, but others do is destroying your hobby?

This is really the road you're going on this one?

And the arrogance to claim you're the majority is just hilarious.

Follow your own advice and stop trying to browbeat people into either sharing your opinion or shutting up.