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**ratlaw**

With the new TV show coming out...there is a huge question about Primaris and Firstborn that needs to be addressed.

**Crispy78**

I don't think you can get into firstborn versus primaris. It's too much lore for a show that needs to appeal outside of the hobby.

**Sim-Life**

How about no Marines at all. Marines would suck in live action because they'd just kill everything with no problems.

**DeadliestIdiot**

Make it a show about guardsmen. And Henry Cavill can play the main character, O'kir, who is a PDF member with dreams of making the next tithe. He can be super competent and sure of himself until some event makes him doubt his capabilities and he gives up on his dream of becoming a guardsman. Also give it a far from home vibe and make him from a different planet and he left after a dispute with his parents. Then have the nids destroy him home planet, which will energize O'kir to not give up. He makes the next tithe and quickly finds himself in charge and has to deal with the realities of that.

On a more serious note, I'm not sure what the best way to approach 40k would be for a general audience. Others have suggested an inquisitorial retinue might make a good focus as it could start out with more familiar plots (like investigating an artifact or a murder or something) and branch out to deeper lore. To keep things simple, it should probably stick to either primaris or first born (not both) and not mention the other (leave it for a spin off). First born would probably be the better choice as they're shorter and then you could have a spin off movie or something about firstborn vs primaris if the tv show proves sufficiently successful.

**Voss**

ratlaw wrote:
With the new TV show coming out...there is a huge question about Primaris and Firstborn that needs to be addressed.

There isn't. IF they're dumb enough to launch with an argument over the trivial distinctions between super soliders and slightly better super soldiers, they deserve to lose money by throwing it away on a doomed to fail project.

If they include space marines, they need to be visually recognizable as Warhammer marines, and have an adequate amount of stock catch phrases.. That's about it.

**Flinty**

Hollywood just can’t do mass battles very easily, especially in this kind of fantasy thing where they can’t fall back on recorded history. I really hope it starts with an inquisition or Arbites based thing.

**DeadliestIdiot**

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**oni**

I doubt the show will have Space Marines in it. It will most likely be based on the Inquisition or possibly a Rogue Trader. Basically, something that can be done with only humans and no large battles.

**ratlaw**

oni wrote:
I doubt the show will have Space Marines in it. It will most likely be based on the Inquisition or possibly a Rogue Trader. Basically, something that can be done with only humans and no large battles.

I think your correct but...what if the show is a success...look at what there now doing in the Star Wars universe...there touching on everything from baby Yoda, Mando's, Jedi, Rebel soilders, x-wing show coming out soon, etc...the Space Marine debacle WILL, come into play sooner or later.

**Mr Morden**

I am not expecting Marines in at all

**ratlaw**

ratlaw wrote:
oni wrote:
I doubt the show will have Space Marines in it. It will most likely be based on the Inquisition or possibly a Rogue Trader. Basically, something that can be done with only humans and no large battles.

I think your correct but...what if the show is a success...look at what there now doing in the Star Wars universe...there touching on everything from baby Yoda, Mando's, Jedi, Rebel solders, x-wing show coming out soon, etc...the Space Marine debacle WILL, come into play sooner or later...a show about Space Marines (Cause, we all know we want to see it) is bound to happen now that there taking a step into the Warhammer 40k universe...and if that is the case...it really should start with the Firstborn, be it from the true start, right after Unification or they could even start at the time of the Horus Heresy, with Unification being a quick explain at the beginning...but there is no way in hell they can just leave out the Firstborn in the Warhammer 40k Universe unless they jump ahead many, many years in the future, were they have been phased out (dumb)...think about it, really think about it. GW made this dam paradigm with two types of Space Marine now they have to fix it...One or the other Space Marine has to fall to let "wider audience" grasp a understanding of who they are...and lets face the facts, there is way more lore, games, books, cartoons around Firstborn...and if all else fails...keep in mind, the Emperor made the firstborn...are we to start a show with a Archmagos Dominus Belisarius Cawl, who made the Space Marines?

**RaptorusRex**

Only a problem if you make it.

**EviscerationPlague**

Primaris are a better way to introduce a show regarding new lore, simple as.

**ratlaw**

ratlaw wrote:
ratlaw wrote:
oni wrote:
I doubt the show will have Space Marines in it. It will most likely be based on the Inquisition or possibly a Rogue Trader. Basically, something that can be done with only humans and no large battles.

I think your correct but...what if the show is a success...look at what there now doing in the Star Wars universe...there touching on everything from baby Yoda, Mando's, Jedi, Rebel solders, x-wing show coming out soon, etc...the Space Marine debacle WILL, come into play sooner or later...a show about Space Marines (Cause, we all know we want to see it) is bound to happen now that there taking a step into the Warhammer 40k universe...and if that is the case...it really should start with the Firstborn, be it from the true start, right after Unification or they could even start at the time of the Horus Heresy, with Unification being a quick explain at the beginning...but there is no way in hell they can just leave out the Firstborn in the Warhammer 40k Universe unless they jump ahead many, many years in the future, were they have been phased out (dumb)...think about it, really think about it. GW made this dam paradigm with two types of Space Marine now they have to fix it...One or the other Space Marine has to fall to let "wider audience" grasp a understanding of who they are...and lets face the facts, there is way more lore, games, books, cartoons around Firstborn...and if all else fails...keep in mind, the Emperor made the firstborn...are we to start a show with a Archmagos Dominus Belisarius Cawl,who made the Space Marines?

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Well...Henry likes the Custodes...so....ah, forget it.

**ccs**

ratlaw wrote:
With the new TV show coming out...there is a huge question about Primaris and Firstborn that needs to be addressed.

Is that question "How much are we budgeting to make this look good?"

**Tokhuah**

I will only watch the show if includes one of the following criteria: NC-17 rating with skyclad Sisters, Henry Cavill plays a Tyranid using traditional prosthetics, or Seth McFarlane has 100% creative control.

**Nevelon**

Honestly they can just not address the issue. Marines are marnies, and use whatever kit/gear/armor marks fit the missions/story or look good.

Now that might kick back at GW, if they see a primaris armored marine with something like a HB. But given my feelings on no model, no rules, I’m good for twisting GW over this.

**EviscerationPlague**

Tokhuah wrote:
Seth McFarlane has 100% creative control.

The great thing about these toy releases is that we can eventually get a 40k centered Robot Chicken episode if we truly believe enough

EDIT: I won't dirty delete as I realize that was Seth Green, not McFarlane. Proceed to humiliate me.

**Sledgehammer**

Keep it grounded and keep it relatable then expand from there.....

They have already expressed their desire for a Eisenhorn series. That is a good entry point into the universe that has stakes, and relatable characters while slowly expanding in scope and lore. Cavil looks like Eisenhorn already so that's a plus as well.

**Tokhuah**

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Tokhuah wrote:
Seth McFarlane has 100% creative control.

The great thing about these toy releases is that we can eventually get a 40k centered Robot Chicken episode if we truly believe enough

EDIT: I won't dirty delete as I realize that was Seth Green, not McFarlane. Proceed to humiliate me.

Not a problem, you are just riffing on an idea. The thought of a Robot Chicken 40k show is hilarious! Taking a page out of the Seth Green book of humor, maybe a fictitious SM chapter: The Black Cherries

**Jarms48**

ratlaw wrote:
With the new TV show coming out...there is a huge question about Primaris and Firstborn that needs to be addressed.

There's no option to have a show focused on non-marine characters.

**ratlaw**

It's fine to me if they use Primaris, due to the mess the Imperium is now finding itself in, I get it, we need bigger Marines, kind of like we needed the Thunder Warriors to beat down all the crazy ass mutant monstrosities on Terra during the Unification Wars... just please keep the Firstborn in the lore....just please follow the lore...we are all waiting for any mistake, change or rewrite to the Warhammer Universe...just don't screw up this hobby like they did to the Star Wars Universe...you know how many SW books I had to forget I read, just to keep good in the NEW (ep 7,8,9) SW Universe? Lame.

**Voss**

ratlaw wrote:
It's fine to me if they use Primaris, due to the mess the Imperium is now finding itself in, I get it, we need bigger Marines, kind of like we needed the Thunder Warriors to beat down all the crazy ass mutant monstrosities on Terra during the Unification Wars... just please keep the Firstborn in the lore....just please follow the lore...we are all waiting for any mistake, change or rewrite to the Warhammer Universe...just don't screw up this hobby like they did to the Star Wars Universe...you know how many SW books I had to forget I read, just to keep good in the NEW (ep 7,8,9) SW Universe? Lame.

Bah. It needs to be an interesting and compelling show first. Expositing deep-dive lore trivia doesn't even make the list. Cool easter eggs in the background? Sure. But don't bore general audiences with gamer 'facts' as if they're somehow immutable and constant (GW itself is quite happy to change 'the lore.' Has before and will again.)

The biggest problems with recent Star Wars and Rings of Power was crap writing & directing, not lore changes.

**H.B.M.C.**

I voted option 4, because the concept is silly and so the opposite of what they'd ever do.

Personally I don't want them to start with Space Marines at all. They will, but I don't want them to.

**Dekskull**

I just don't want them to do a TV show.

Seriously if this thing gets too popular Disney will buy it and then it will be all over.

**Racerguy180**

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Tokhuah wrote:
Seth McFarlane has 100% creative control.

The great thing about these toy releases is that we can eventually get a 40k centered Robot Chicken episode if we truly believe enough

EDIT: I won't dirty delete as I realize that was Seth Green, not McFarlane. Proceed to humiliate me.

This is really what we need....

**H.B.M.C.**

Dekskull wrote:
I just don't want them to do a TV show.

I'm curious as to why you say that.

I think to many broad-scope stories that have been boiled down to (and ruined) by adaptation into a single movie, as the writers try to cram as much in but at the same time are forced to dilute the detail to make it fit within a reasonable runtime. TVs lessen this issue considerably.

Moreever, this is Amazon, and their track record with TV shows is pretty good. And yes, even though Rings of Power was a show that wasted its audience's time with mysteries that were foregone conclusions and daytime soap levels of conflict resolution, you cannot deny it was a very pretty show. Nothing important happened in Numenor, but boy did it look cool!

So why not a TV show?

**Dudeface**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Dekskull wrote:
I just don't want them to do a TV show.
I'm curious as to why you say that.

I think to many broad-scope stories that have been boiled down to (and ruined) by adaptation into a single movie, as the writers try to cram as much in but at the same time are forced to dilute the detail to make it fit within a reasonable runtime. TVs lessen this issue considerably.

Moreever, this is Amazon, and their track record with TV shows is pretty good. And yes, even though Rings of Power was a show that wasted its audience's time with mysteries that were foregone conclusions and daytime soap levels of conflict resolution, you cannot deny it was a very pretty show. Nothing important happened in Numenor, but boy did it look cool!

So why not a TV show?

The other big sci-fi franchise with a whole heap of potential to recently bag a TV series was halo, which turned out to be passable at best if you didn't know about the franchise and outright bad if you cared about the setting.

**Tsagualsa**

Voss wrote:
ratlaw wrote:
It's fine to me if they use Primaris, due to the mess the Imperium is now finding itself in, I get it, we need bigger Marines, kind of like we needed the Thunder Warriors to beat down all the crazy ass mutant monstrosities on Terra during the Unification Wars... just please keep the Firstborn in the lore....just please follow the lore...we are all waiting for any mistake, change or rewrite to the Warhammer Universe...just don't screw up this hobby like they did to the Star Wars Universe...you know how many SW books I had to forget I read, just to keep good in the NEW (ep 7,8,9) SW Universe? Lame.

Bah. It needs to be an interesting and compelling show first. Expositing deep-dive lore trivia doesn't even make the list. Cool easter eggs in the background? Sure. But don't bore general audiences with gamer 'facts' as if they're somehow immutable and constant (GW itself is quite happy to change 'the lore.' Has before and will again.)

The biggest problems with recent Star Wars and Rings of Power was crap writing & directing, not lore changes.

They are probably aiming for something like Dredd [2012] - if we're lucky we get Judge Dredd [1995] or maybe Demolition Man

The best we can probably hope for so-bad-its-good campy stuff; i don't think that they'll invest another 700 million dollars for a single show anytime soon, and 40k would need a giant prop and CGI budget to make anything including marines, custodes etc. remotely good. If they have any sense at all the story will have to center around normal-ish humans, with the occasional marine as a deus ex machina or only glimpsed for a few seconds.

**Grimtuff**

No Marines at all. Start grounded. But, we all know how this community in places love to dickride the HH series and the primarches, so we'll end up getting that, even though it should be nothing like what the modern 40k setting is...