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Que sera sera…

Ah sh**e, to use the Scots equivalent.

Or people saying scotch when they should be saying Scots in relation to people.

Or just using Scotch.

The word you want is Whisky. All other such liquors are best called “wee wee” 🤣🤣

Though I will accept it for Butterscotch. Spesh if it’s Butterscotch Angel Delight.

What about Scotch eggs? Or Scotch broth?

 Ahtman wrote:
Eh, se la vie.

I find it objectionable when people speak foreign when we're all speaking English. Those other languages all lack that certain je ne sais quoi.

 Haighus wrote:
What about Scotch eggs? Or Scotch broth?

Scotch in Scotch Eggs doesn’t refer to a country of origin.

Broth is Broth. Scots will do.


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 Henry wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
Eh, se la vie.

I find it objectionable when people speak foreign when we're all speaking English. Those other languages all lack that certain je ne sais quoi.

Also, it’s ç’est la vie.


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 Henry wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
Eh, se la vie.

I find it objectionable when people speak foreign when we're all speaking English. Those other languages all lack that certain je ne sais quoi.

Also also? No foreign words = No English

I saw something recently that noted that scale (to climb), scale (balance for weight measurement) and scale (e.g. fish/lizard) all come from different language origins

Hooray for English

Three different languages in a trench coat that can and will follow other languages down dark alleys to mug them for loose grammar and verbiage.

 Flinty wrote:
I saw something recently that noted that scale (to climb), scale (balance for weight measurement) and scale (e.g. fish/lizard) all come from different language origins

Hooray for English

Similar to the common assumption that 'female' is derived from 'male' when the two words actually come from different roots entirely.

 insaniak wrote:

 Flinty wrote:
I saw something recently that noted that scale (to climb), scale (balance for weight measurement) and scale (e.g. fish/lizard) all come from different language origins

Hooray for English

Similar to the common assumption that 'female' is derived from 'male' when the two words actually come from different roots entirely.

Also true for human and man and woman.

 Henry wrote:
"...the actual ...itself". Bear with me on this one as it may be unique to the UK military experience. Usually only used by representatives of the more academically challenged trades when giving instruction. For example "...aim the actual fire extinguisher itself at the base of the fire", "...take hold of the actual rifle itself and load with the actual magazine itself", etc.

'the actual" and 'actually' are slipping in as 'academical' version of 'like' in sentences. People relaying instructions and in documentaries seem to have picked them up recently, and it is annoying once you hear them. They probably think it makes them sound more authoritative.

 Flinty wrote:


Hooray for English

Yup




As a Polish person I can tell you that just the fact that you have the same letter standing in for different sounds (or no sound at all) is crazy OO


As for language pet peeves, It drives me slightly crazy when English (mostly native) speakers pronounce foreign words, or English words that are direct loanwords from foreign languages, as if they were English. For example I remember in one Warmachine battle report a player pronouncing Bjorn as if it was something akin to B-John...arrgh. For me it is kind of obvious that such words retain the prononciation of their language of origin - "junta" has Spanish pronounciation and "zeitgeist" has German, even when they are used as parts of an English or a Polish sentence.

But I guess it's what it's...

Cyel wrote:

 Flinty wrote:


Hooray for English

Yup




As a Polish person I can tell you that just the fact that you have the same letter standing in for different sounds (or no sound at all) is crazy OO


As for language pet peeves, It drives me slightly crazy when English (mostly native) speakers pronounce foreign words, or English words that are direct loanwords from foreign languages, as if they were English. For example I remember in one Warmachine battle report a player pronouncing Bjorn as if it was something akin to B-John...arrgh. For me it is kind of obvious that such words retain the prononciation of their language of origin - "junta" has Spanish pronounciation and "zeitgeist" has German, even when they are used as parts of an English or a Polish sentence.

But I guess it's what it's...

For the most part, I think this comes down to a lack of awareness amongst most native English speakers of differing Latin-based alphabets. I think there is an assumption that all alphabets based on Roman characters are pronounced the same.

It means a word like dziękuję looks absolutely horrific when viewed through an English lense but is really not bad to pronounce at all if you are aware of the different sounds in the Polish alphabet for the same or similar letters. Obviously some phonetics that are found in some languages are completely or commonly absent in others, so not all pronunciation crosses over easily. The classic example being Japanese and the R sound being rolled into L.

On top of this, lots of English keyboards and software routinely block or make it difficult to use characters outside the English alphabet. So for example ł becomes l which really messes with comprehension of the word as they are entirely separate, unrelated letters.

Cyel wrote:

 Flinty wrote:


Hooray for English

Yup

As a Polish person I can tell you that just the fact that you have the same letter standing in for different sounds (or no sound at all) is crazy OO


As for language pet peeves, It drives me slightly crazy when English (mostly native) speakers pronounce foreign words, or English words that are direct loanwords from foreign languages, as if they were English. For example I remember in one Warmachine battle report a player pronouncing Bjorn as if it was something akin to B-John...arrgh. For me it is kind of obvious that such words retain the prononciation of their language of origin - "junta" has Spanish pronounciation and "zeitgeist" has German, even when they are used as parts of an English or a Polish sentence.

But I guess it's what it's...

Eh. Trying to pronounce foreign words "authentically" often ends up with this kind of thing:




You can't really expect folks to pronounce loanwords like a native speaker. Sometimes the sounds themselves just don't translate. Years ago, a Turkish friend was coaching me on how to pronounce a certain word. My third try was correct, and I didn't have a clue what I did differently from the first two. But there was something subtle in there that she could hear and I couldn't. *shrug*

Fun fact? It’s generally considered good customer service to pronounce someone’s name correctly. And to that end, there are websites out there which will give an audio pronunciation.

Takes me second to check it and get it into my head, and helps me get off on the best foot with a consumer, Spesh when I ask if I pronounced it correctly afterwards. After all, if I’m seen to be at least trying to get their name right, they’re more likely to accept I do give a damn about their complaint.

Exactly, any dictionary has audio nowadays and YT lets you check easily "how to pronounce X".

And note that I am mainly talking about actual English words here (present in Cambridge or Oxford dictionaries, like "schadenfreude" or "mojito") that are just directly loaned from other languages. You can immediately see it's not of English origin so pronouncing it as if it was is very much unwarranted.


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Also, you end up less like Zapp Brannigan, which is always good

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Three different languages in a trench coat that can and will follow other languages down dark alleys to mug them for loose grammar and verbiage.

Can, will, and regularly DOES....

 Vulcan wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Three different languages in a trench coat that can and will follow other languages down dark alleys to mug them for loose grammar and verbiage.

Can, will, and regularly DOES....

You stole our Putsch .-. TBF the rest of europe also stole it.

Get your own word for a small military coup! Also you are using it wrong aswell

Oh. Here’s one.

Artisan.

Just because you made something by hand, doesn’t make you an Artisan, or the end product Artisnal.

Baking for instance isn’t that hard. Provided your measurements are accurate, and you know your oven? Anyone can bake a loaf of bread. To be Artisnal, it better induce some kind of dizzying high, you pretentious manbunned Hipster goon.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh. Here’s one.

Artisan.

Just because you made something by hand, doesn’t make you an Artisan, or the end product Artisnal.

Baking for instance isn’t that hard. Provided your measurements are accurate, and you know your oven? Anyone can bake a loaf of bread. To be Artisnal, it better induce some kind of dizzying high, you pretentious manbunned Hipster goon.

As a former professional Bakery owner, I am about to be triggered.

 Easy E wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh. Here’s one.

Artisan.

Just because you made something by hand, doesn’t make you an Artisan, or the end product Artisnal.

Baking for instance isn’t that hard. Provided your measurements are accurate, and you know your oven? Anyone can bake a loaf of bread. To be Artisnal, it better induce some kind of dizzying high, you pretentious manbunned Hipster goon.

As a former professional Bakery owner, I am about to be triggered.

He is factually wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tradesperson

Trades like that count as artisanry

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artisan

Dictionaries don’t define what we say, they record it.

And, without casting any aspersions on actual hard-working and well-qualified bakers, I think we can agree that artisanal is overused.
Your bakery, which makes each loaf with care? I don’t mind you taking that label. Panera Bread’s mass-manufactured bread bowl? I do mind.

Something I've noticed recently is the use of "right now" to emphazise a statement. Is that an American thing or just new like the use of "literally" in a similar context?

 BertBert wrote:
Something I've noticed recently is the use of "right now" to emphazise a statement. Is that an American thing or just new like the use of "literally" in a similar context?

Like, right now, that's literally what's going on!!!

Whenever I hear the word moist, I'm reminded of Tariq Nasheed trying to use it as a homophobic slur. Same with sweet, zesty and "having sugar in your tank".

Zoomer talk in general is annoying, especially the weird slang.

I love the weird slang! The stranger the better.

Fit - Your style choices in clothes
Rizz - Ability to flirt
Bag 'in - Create a relationship with

It is all so good. I especially love looking at slang from the past and present and intermixing them all together.

Really hope that “shire” is slang for something. Then you can rock up to people and say: Shire! Bag’ in!