@Pretre: Actually no jab was intended towards you our how/why you conduct your list. It was actually aimed elsewhere but i have to be mindful of what i say in direction of a particular member. I appreciate the compliment on my view, thank you.
Much thanks for keeping things uncensored! (though personally i'd much rather be 1/8 correct, as 8 is THE CHOSEN NUMBER!)
@Pretre: Actually no jab was intended towards you our how/why you conduct your list. It was actually aimed elsewhere but i have to be mindful of what i say in direction of a particular member.
Oooh, I know this game. How's this:
Notice that after two certain members stopped posting "rumours"*, two notable changes have occured in the Warseer 40K Rumour forum:
1) It has gotten a lot friendlier, and
2) the average quality of the stuff posted has increased dramatically.
Not so long ago there was monkey poo all over the place and now lots of good stuff keeps rolling in.
Things are looking up.
* I am led to believe the moderators gave them a good talking-to and that's why they stopped
Nah, I just keep it updated and try to keep my bumps limited to when I do a bunch of updates at the same time. Monday mornings are big bump days for me since I generally have all the weekend rumors and confirmations to take care of.
Can we please start putting a time limit on some of these "pending" rumors? I mean if a person says "Item XYZ will be released in July" how long after July passes before the rumor gets changed to "False"?
For example, anyone who's been paying any sort of attention could extrapolate that Grail Knights and Questing Knights are likely to get a combined plastic kit of five knights at whatever the current price point is for those type of kits. So, when a person claims that, "Grail and Questing knights will be available as a single combo kit of five Knights in July 2013", why is that rumor still marked as pending when "November 2013" passes and no kit has been released?
How about instead we give such rumors a three month grace period? This way by the time November rolls around the rumor is marked as false and should the kit actually be released in February, we can revisit if it should be changed to "True - Wrong date" or not.
Breotan, im assuming the specified date is meant to be July 2012?
Otherwise, yeah, i could get on board with that idea of some sort of time limit (and it could get me to do that proof read ive been meaning to do as well...)
Revenent Reiko wrote: Breotan, im assuming the specified date is meant to be July 2012?
Otherwise, yeah, i could get on board with that idea of some sort of time limit (and it could get me to do that proof read ive been meaning to do as well...)
I chose 2013 as an example, but it probably would have been better to use 2012.
Revenent Reiko wrote: Breotan, im assuming the specified date is meant to be July 2012?
Otherwise, yeah, i could get on board with that idea of some sort of time limit (and it could get me to do that proof read ive been meaning to do as well...)
I chose 2013 as an example, but it probably would have been better to use 2012.
Thought that might be the case.... Ill see what i can do over the weekend, but im coming down with a cold (saying that, surely that be a wonderful excuse not to go outside in the freezing cold...)
Stickymonkey's rumors need to be updated to reflect the electronic media releases. It is painfully clear that his predictions surrounding the iTunes releases are nothing more than speculation. Still, he made them and they should reflect in his overall true/false record. Given release dates over the past several months, we should have December's releases in the next day or two and can update those rumors shortly.
August: Should be up Saturday (8/1/2012) FALSE
Codex: Daemons (obvious) FALSE
How to Paint Chaos Daemons TRUE
Daemons Tactica False
WFB Temple of Skulls scenario False
WFB Soul Grinder digital rules release False
September releases:
6th Ed 40k digital rulebook (will go up same weekend as starter set released) False
How to Paint (I am not certain but this may be the same as the flip book that was released earlier this year with the paint set.) False
And a few more WFB SPECULATION/TOO VAGUE
October releases:
Codex: CSM (going up same weekend as codex released) TRUE
How to paint: CSM False
Tactica: CSM False
And a few more WFB SPECULATION/TOO VAGUE
November Releases:
Codex: Grey Knights False
HtP: GK False
Tactica: GK False
And a few more WFB SPECULATION/TOO VAGUE
December Releases:
Codex: Sisters of Battle PENDING
HtP: SoB PENDING
Tactica: SoB PENDING
And a few more WFB SPECULATION/TOO VAGUE
I would suggest that when the rumour is just the date, for example it says that a model we know is due for release (ex: Dark Eldar bomber) will be out a specific month, then hitting the exact month or one before or after is TRUE. Up to 3 months off is PARTLY TRUE and anything more than that is FALSE.
That is for rumours where the ONLY content is the date and which would invariably happen sooner or later anyway.
I have been going with about a two week wiggle room for true right now on the vague release dates and a couple day wiggle on the exact ones. I don't want to open it up too far because that encourages dart throwing behavior.
Apparently GW's electronic releases were pretty weak for December. Only H2P: Escape from Goblin Town and Call 2 Arms, Part 3. Anyway, here is an update to StickyMonkey's predictions:
December Releases:
Codex: Sisters of Battle FALSE
HtP: SoB FALSE
Tactica: SoB FALSE
And a few more WFB SPECULATION/TOO VAGUE
pretre wrote: Big update. I tried to catch all the old 'wave' rumors and nail those with falses. Also cleaned up some formatting issues.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also...
Was there a new WOC sorc in plastic? (hastings rumor for WOC release)
Or New WOC Character that is an elf PENDING for Eldar Gal
I marked as false, because I didn't see them.
No. There were a couple last year and two more are likely at some point (Slaanesh & Nurgle), but nothing this year.
No WoC character that's an elf.
And this for hastings appears to be false, not true.
WoC by Jan/Feb 2013 TRUE
There has been a WoC release, but no book.
I'd also suggest that saying that something in a codex will remain as-is does not normally count as a rumour. If there are other sources saying it's going to change then it might qualify, or if there is a strong trend, but not normally. Take this, for example:
HQ:
- Azrael PENDING
- Belial - not needed for deathwing PENDING
- Sammael - not needed for ravenwing PENDING
- Azmodai PENDING
- Ezekiel PENDING
- Barakiel - named Techmarine/master of the forge! Note: barakiel is known as Angel of Lightning in references PENDING
- Sabrael - guardian of the inner circle, gives bonus to inner circle unit PENDING
- Librarian PENDING
- Company Master TA option PENDING
- Interrogator chaplain PENDING
- Command squad ( option to take TA or bikes with Belial or Sammael respectively, and apothecary, standard bearer, 1 heavy weapon) PENDING
Special characters that already exist should not qualify as a rumour, and neither should things like chaplains and librarians. Otherwise you could have people saying that tactical squads will be troops and get credit for that.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Updated 'Dave' from Faeit 212 and the release list rumors. Didn't even bother with that 'rumor' about imperial guard.
Anyone feel like certain sites are desperate for traffic and publishing anything?
I think we can close out this batch of rumors. We can revisit if the Forsaken/Dragon Ogres rumors shoud be changed to "Wrong Date" once they are actually released. Personally I'd have put "Finecast Characters" as too vague but that's up to you.
75hastings69
WOC Models next Year - Oct 2011
plastic chariot/warshrine, TRUE plastic forsaken, FALSE plastic Dragon Ogres, FALSE a Large plastic kit, TOO VAGUE
Finecast Characters TRUE
Just posting my support for this thread, as a newbie to the rumormongering it gets rather confusing with so many sources and who's reliable and who isn't and what's known info.
"...existing characters moved to finecast. TOO VAGUE"
This one is actually FALSE, since no existing characters got funcasted
"Raven's Claw is apparently a nickname or playtest name of the fighter, sounds like this is not the final name. TRUE"
This isn't really a rumour, is it?
"- Grants Elites Deathwing Termys Heroic Intervention if he is attached. TRUE"
"Inner Circle Unit Terminator armor. W:1, Heroic Intervention if Belial is attached to the unit. TRUE"
Nothing in the army has Heroic Intervention
"- Sword of Secrets is a Relic Blade with an additional effect. PENDING
- Belian grants a buff to Termys within 6".PENDING"
Both FALSE
Elites
"Techmarine TRUE"
DA Techmarines are not Elites
"- Up to 10 models per unit. No more Cyclone/CC option on single models. Mix of CC and Ranged models still permitted withing unit. TRUE"
PARTLY TRUE, since CC termies can get cyclones
"- DW Honor Guard Terminator squad unlocked by select HQs (Belial - others???). FALSE
- RW Command Squad is only unlocked by select HQ characters. TRUE"
These should either both be TRUE or both be FALSE, depending on how strict you read 'select HQs'. Neither are tied to specific HQs, but instead by what equipment the HQ character has.
"Jan: Daemons wave PENDING"
FALSE
"- just heard a rumor that there is a AA option for DA dreads...FALSE
- one that will likely make it to all chapters eventually. PENDING"
Since the first is FALSE, the second should probably be either false as well or discounted.
"- No mention of excessive plasma-ness in this round. TOO VAGUE"
All the new kits come with plasma weaponry...
"- Also in discussions at GD, the StormTalon is to remain a Codex Space Marines only vehicle. TRUE"
Should probably still be PENDING
"- Ravenwing Bike captain TRUE "
FALSE. Firstly, there is no such model. Secondly, DA captains can't get bikes. Thirdly, DA don't use the title "captain". :p
"- Deathwing Box (new to me) AC, Cyclone Launcher, THSS x2, LC x2, PS x1, PC, HF, PF x5, SB x5, CF x2 (Lots of bits there, consistent with the load of extras in things like the Space wolf Termies, - Plasma Cannon Termie? IBIWISI) TRUE "
Not even close.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I don't actually have a copy of the codex yet, so I've been going off the 'confirmation' threads and such. I appreciate the help.
I do not post everything that comes into the site, simply because there is some of it seems like wishlisting and is completely out in left field, or I mistakenly miss it in my inbox. (I have missed some good rumor bits this way).
(the last sentence in particular is hilarious)
And still he has no problem accepting stuff from people who claim to be involved in the play testing, yet can't spell properly.
I feel bad sometimes. I get where he is coming from, I just don't agree with it.
Personally, if I was him, I would either post everything or nothing. Either post all of the stuff he gets without filter or tell the 'anonymous sources' to post it on their own.
Any opinions on whether I should start separating the pseudonyms that Faeit212 uses for their Inbox mongers? Do we think he's using the same ones consistently or what?
There is no control, how he or the anonymous posters use and change names, so I would keep him as the source.
If you want to differentiate, then start here: Warseer (UNKNOWN POSTER)
A lot of the Daemon stuff is wrong in that it hasn't happened and probably isn't going to happen. But it depends on how long stuff can stay pending. I mean, plastic Furies is going to happen EVENTUALLY, but they've been rumoured for a couple of years now and haven't shown any sign of showing up.
I think that either there should be some kind of time-out for rumours that don't come with a date attached, or rumours that only state that a metal unit is getting converted to plastic should be considered TOO VAGUE if they don't come with a time frame.
It's getting a bit silly with some of those things that will inevitably make the transition, but where people are clearly just making very vague guesses.
As someone who's seen the dragon, I can definitely say that it has it in the looks department
...
Well, at first glance I thought it was based on a bird rather than a dragon. It's definitely not a snake style dragon as I know some people have been speculating.
7-25-12 Warseer:
Neko wrote:
I did see a couple of the other models, but they didn't stick in my mind as well as the dragon, sorry.
I do remember that there were the 2 types of Raptor, from which I got the impression that one is a standard Raptor, and the other is a Raptor that's spent way too much time in the warp (possessed Raptor maybe?). The second type of raptor was more close combat focused, with claws and the like.
As I say, out of the deamon engines I was too busy drooling over the dragon to remember much about the others. I seem to have it stuck in my head though that there were 2 different types based on the same core design though, and I think they were stocky quadrupeds in design. Basically, whilst the Defiler could be said to be based on an arachnid, I think these were based on a more mammalian body type.
8-7-12: Warseer
Neko wrote:
Hmm, a source was saying something about the Dragon having a flame template attack to take out armour.
75hastings69 wrote: I never said Brets in 2014 or WE in 2015 or Skaven in 2015. Go and read that post properly.
Hey, Hastings.
I generally get my Warseer info second hand from other folks, so sometimes I need clarification. This is what I was quoted for you:
via 75hastings69
I was actually discussing with Harry about a month or so ago that next WFB is not till 2015.
An extra year would allow all armies to get treatment before new edition in 2015.
2013
HE
Lizardmen
2014
DE Dwarfs
Brets(?)
2015
WE (?)
Skaven (?)
9th edition
Personally I'd swap WE & Brets around and change Skaven to O&G....... but that's just me
I put them down as speculation as the (?) made it look like you weren't sure. If you have the link to the original Warseer, that would help immensely.
Or do you mean, you had Brets in 2015, WE in 2014 and O&G instead of Skaven in 2015? It kind of looks like you might have been responding to someone else, but was not clear.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I updated based on that assumption that your notes at the end were your actual intention. Let me know if that was right.
My line is at the bottom, someone had quoted the first bit from me (my and Harry PM) then added a release schedule, I then quoted it with my own changes which are at the bottom.
I'm also expecting Beastmen in 2015 including plastic centigors.
pretre wrote: I put them down as speculation as the (?) made it look like you weren't sure. If you have the link to the original Warseer, that would help immensely.
Or do you mean, you had Brets in 2015, WE in 2014 and O&G instead of Skaven in 2015? It kind of looks like you might have been responding to someone else, but was not clear.
I updated based on that assumption that your notes at the end were your actual intention. Let me know if that was right.
Never copy Natfka's rumours and quotes blindly. Too many misunderstandings, too many fake rumours mixed in and careless quotes like in this case.
Kroothawk wrote: BTW don't know why you missed the latest most important Warhammer Fantasy thread on Dakka where everything is clearly and correctly presented..
Posted on a Saturday. I only really do updates on weekdays and I must have missed it on Monday when I came back in.
I really appreciate the work you put into this thread. This really helps sort out the good rumourmongers from the...not so good. Just saying thanks, and keep up the good work!
the Kroot Monster IIRC/AFAIK, was being playtested. i am not sure if they were actually going to release it or not. it'd seem redundant if they did since they didn't release it with the wave that wass released yesterday. my source of that is on spiky bits website. pretty vague but i don't frequent Spiky anymore, so it might change in time (ie next wave of kroot- was a bit odd an exclusion of new kroot or xenos allies in this wave) and link to what i read: http://blog.spikeybits.com/2013/02/tau-release-rumors-suits-monsters-and.html?showComment=1360098778073
Tau Rumors - March 2013
or Rail Rifle S6 Ap3, Rail Gun S8 Ap1 Skyfire (with option for interceptor) and Rail Cannon S10 Ap1. FALSE
Tau Rumors - March 2013
The mini ally dex has to my understanding been incorporated into the codex at the beginning of the book and will no longer be a separate compendium. FALSE
There is a Kroot HQ, but not in the conventional sense and he cannot command "Tau" forces (unless they bring back Prok but I have heard nothing on him) FALSE
Farsight will have a new model, it looks similar to the gamesday one. DUPLICATE
Rail Rifles, Rail Guns, and Rail Cannons are the way they are distinguishing different rail type weapons in the new codex. [what the heck does that even mean?]
There will be 2 "new" special characters, one we may have seen before. (Aun'shi I think but do not have confirmation) PARTLY TRUE
Tau Rumors - March 2013
Seeker missiles can now be carried on suits TRUE
More Tau - March 2013
a new Farsight model. TRUE
New Kroot HQ, FALSE
2 New Fliers TRUE
2 new Suit options FALSE
Tau Races - March 2013
no new races (no Demiurge after all). [shouldn't qualify as a rumour]
Kroot will be expanded FALSE
New Vespid were play-tested I am awaiting confirmation as to whether or not they made into final print. SPECULATION
There are multiple fliers and and new units. TRUE [well, duh!]
Release Schedule - Nov 2012
I think orks will see a new model wave come Q1 2013 FALSE
If Jan is Dark Angels and Feb is Daemons, March is probably more hobbit stuff. Maybe April for Orks, then May for Fantasy, with Tau in June? FALSE
Big Tau Suit - Nov 2012
'big tau suit': WS2, BS4, S5, T6, W4, I2, A2, Ld8, Sv2+4++ FALSE
Tau Rumors - Nov 2012
Basically according to my sources it's pretty much a Dreadknight sized suit with dual (note not twin linked) rail cannons and SMS with a rule for something I will call "hail-fire" in that it shoots massive barrage of weapondry if not moving in the movement phase. FALSE
What happened to all the rumors about the demiurge? I only saw one poster in your collection covering it yet I distinctly remember a few people positing that they were the new Tau auxiliaries.
Breotan wrote: What happened to all the rumors about the demiurge? I only saw one poster in your collection covering it yet I distinctly remember a few people positing that they were the new Tau auxiliaries.
I posted all the ones I had. If there are more shoot me a link.
Wow. Massive update of old tau rumors from the Ghost21 era. It seems a lot of folks just jumped on his bandwagon and it hurt them a lot. (even Stickmonkey).
pretre wrote: Wow. Massive update of old tau rumors from the Ghost21 era. It seems a lot of folks just jumped on his bandwagon and it hurt them a lot. (even Stickmonkey).
Some ouchy records in there now.
Or Ghost 21 was feeding off of SM rumors...either way hardly any of the rumors on Tau panned out.
So Harry got 3x false because he didn't know about the Daemons coming? Unfair! And where did he say that the Tau Empire is expanding and getting new races? Can't remember that. Sometimes he just summarizes rumours by others, seems to be that case here.
One fundamental flaw in the tracking list is that many rumour posters take Hastings' and sometimes Harry's predictions and vary them a bit. Esp. release schedule lists.
Although I am still less than 50% (42% on Dakka though I was first to say "ubersuit" was a MC) I did say I heard Apoc 2.0 would be June or July earlier this year, good to hear additional confirmation.
Click the link on that rumor and you'll see a link to a list where he said they were getting new races. I believe he actually confirmed someone else's statement.
HE - The next army to be done after the Warriors of Chaos release. FALSE Actually Daemons came in between.
It (...) OR CSM this year and DA and Tau first two, early next year. FALSE Actually Daemons came in between.
Tau, first codex in 2013 FALSE Modified above as this one is super old. Again hit because of Daemons.
Good thing you missed the same mistake in the release schedule list by him
He made 2-3 major errors:
Having Bloodbowl one year early, missing the Daemon release and thinking Sororitas get a Codex this year.
And I don't find any mention of new races by Harry in that thread, at least not in or after the post you linked to.
Kroothawk wrote: HE - The next army to be done after the Warriors of Chaos release. FALSE Actually Daemons came in between.
It (...) OR CSM this year and DA and Tau first two, early next year. FALSE Actually Daemons came in between.
Tau, first codex in 2013 FALSE Modified above as this one is super old. Again hit because of Daemons.
Good thing you missed the same mistake in the release schedule list by him
He made 2-3 major errors:
Having Bloodbowl one year early, missing the Daemon release and thinking Sororitas get a Codex this year.
And I don't find any mention of new races by Harry in that thread, at least not in or after the post you linked to.
I get what you are saying. I can go with duplicate on those. Updating now.
Some of the shas_o iceborn stuff still reads as TRUE when they should be FALSE, most notably rumours about more Kroot in a codex that included less than 1 new Kroot.
Tau Rumors - March 2013
- no honor guard TRUE
- New tank commander special character - has preferred enemy imperial guard (?), use on a hammerhead apparently (best tank to use) TRUE
- no stealth on stealth suits, will have something to make them harder to shoot still (maybe?) FALSE
- piranhas are cheaper, but not much different TRUE
- Submuntions purchased for hammerheads TRUE
- Two marker light hits = NO cover at all (not a marker light hit per -1 cover). Usual BS upgrade TRUE
- Seeker missiles can skyfire FALSE (well, not by themselves, but the things they are mounted on may or may not have skyfire)
- Multi-trackers come standard on crisis suits (or free? dunno which) TRUE
Tau Rumors - Feb 2013
Caveat: Many of these are said to be "in process". Don't look for *exact match* rules to survive to the printed codex.
Unit keeps its high level of customization, with several upgrades to stat lines possible. FALSE
New flakk missile pods. FALSE
Have stealth, (obviously), plus optional drone granting shrouding. FALSE
Sky Ray: Last edition's trainwreck gets a new lease on life. Flakk missiles, plus has orbital bombardment (much like SM version, but with a lingering effect). FALSE
Drones: Any drone can be used for Look Out Sir rolls for any model in the unit they are attached to. FALSE
Markerlights: A single hit increases BS of all other units targeting the victim by +1. Multiple markerlights have no additional effects. OUCH - look out for possible BS:5, Fire Warrior volleys now! Markerlights improve snapfire against marked flyers to 5+ instead of 6, but must first hit the flyer with a 6 themselves. FALSE
Networked Markerlights: A longer range twin linked version. Vehicles only. FALSE
This "So I'm not sure when we might see this kroot monster that 2 people have seen" that you've listed as a rumour of mine was me being sarcastic, I knew there was no monster to see so knew it wouldn't be coming out.
75hastings69 wrote: This "So I'm not sure when we might see this kroot monster that 2 people have seen" that you've listed as a rumour of mine was me being sarcastic, I knew there was no monster to see so knew it wouldn't be coming out.
That's one time when I wished you were not sarcastic or wrong
Surely it's obvious to anyone with eyes that there IS a flying chariot, that it IS pulled by an eagle, there IS another plastic Mage, and that they ARE the next release.
It is common practice to update all this when the army is released. ATM High Elves being next and Mage being plastic is a rumour, although a very very good one. Is it so hard to wait another 2 weeks?
75hastings69 wrote: I'll remember that next time I'm about to post something
I will update the sarcastic rumor to 'speculation' on Monday. I am holding off on HE so I don't have to do a ton of updates but it is pretty clear that a lot has been confirmed.
75hastings69 wrote: There is no rumour not even speculation, I was calling out the two liars that said they'd seen the big kroot beast...... as it doesn't exist!
okay, I'll check it out and update apripriately on Monday.
Updated Hastings' Kroot monster rumor to true since the intention (now that I reviewed it) was to slap down the dumbasses with sarcasm. I am fully in support of slapping down dumbasses with sarcasm.
75hastings69 wrote: There is no rumour not even speculation, I was calling out the two liars that said they'd seen the big kroot beast...... as it doesn't exist!
okay, I'll check it out and update apripriately on Monday.
Looking at Hastings post, it is fairly obvious that he was making poking fun at Kroot Beast Rumor
Warseer 3-22-13:
75hastings69 wrote:So what happened to these giant kroot beast models????
Guyver 3 wrote:They are frollicking around imagination land with all the other imaginary units
Tastyfish wrote:Or are part of the rumoured Storm of Magic style allies expansion. Is that snark or surprise Hastings?
75hastings69 wrote:Pure snark lol
There's no allies supplement either. So I'm not sure when we might see this kroot monster that 2 people have seen.
I would put Hastings down for saying 1) No Kroot Beast (True) 2) No allies supplement (Pending)
wyomingfox wrote: I would put Hastings down for saying 1) No Kroot Beast (True) 2) No allies supplement (Pending)
I did!
Nah, I put him down for true on both. I think that the kroot/vespid inclusion in the Tau dex kills the ally dex idea. I will happily reverse the ally dex rumors if it pops up and surprises us all.
Tau Rumors - Tau Q2/Q3 2013 TRUE - kroot are in fact still part of Tau, TRUE and have a new unit or two including a beastly transport FALSE - There are no demiurge in the Tau codex TRUE - new crisis suits DUPLICATE - multiple new suits in the codex, crisis being what we know, TRUE - there is also a smaller suit similar to the stealth suit, but not as bulky designed for close combat, FALSE - broadsides while the same relative size as a crisis suit have much more bulk to them and are a separate build/model. TRUE - bigger suit, which has been reported from others. Reports have it being a ranged beast(metaphorically, not literally) with 2 twin linked rail cannons and a missile option. So I'm sure it will become a target of choice in games PENDING - new cc suit which will share a box with the new stealth suit. FALSE - the new piranha option is to transport a cc suit unit, this option replaces the drone pods on the sides FALSE - plastic kit in the works for pathfinders TRUE - the ethereals have a new race that they are using as a psychic conduit. FALSE - remora drones will be in the codex as flyers FALSE - Flyer has dual gattling cannons FALSE - Flyer has option for rail guns FALSE - Flyer has options for AA missiles or bombs, But can't take both. TRUE - Jaws Railgun Mostly confirmed this is the way of it, but that it does have a max distance. Some conflicting rumors that you roll for number of hull points it penetrates when fired, or it's fixed. And also conflicting sources saying if it penetrates it causes 2 hull points of damage vs 1. FALSE
bigger suit, which has been reported from others. Reports have it being a ranged beast(metaphorically, not literally) with 2 twin linked rail cannons and a missile option. So I'm sure it will become a target of choice in games
Yeah, I updated it as a 'partially true' right after I wrote that post.
I went with PT since he was clearly making it separate from the Broadside. Or I could go with duplicate, since he got credit for broadsides being big and separate already.
Yea, change my first rumour to true (new plastic HE Mage - the one that looks like he's tripping over trying to catch a floating jellyfish) also change at least one of my HE next after tau rumours to true instead of all of them reading duplicate.
Ha! I knew I'd botch up a duplicate call one of these days. I wish I had your original HE link because I'm sure it had more than just the plastic mage on it all I have are the newer references. Either way, it is updated. Thanks!
High Elf Rumors - April 2013
- Plastic huge Treeman —also can be used by WE—. It's been done since two years ago. It was thought only for WE but has been put into this wave for HE because of the lack of ideas. FALSE
- Plastic Maidenguard-Avelorn. They share with Shadow Warriors: heavy armor, shiled, spear-halberd as in LOTR, great weapon and magic bows. Bodies for male and female. Shadow Warriors wear helms and cloaks and they are scouts. PARTLY TRUE
- Monstruous Infantry, ¿Elementales? from Changing Islands. Options for all four elements. Maelström says this is the first time he hears about that. He's also received an email talking about MC with eagles. FALSE
- Griffon/monster, Eltharion. FALSE
- Blister Finecast: Alarielle, Teclis, Alith Anar, Belennaer. PARTLY TRUE
- Blister Plastic: Warrior wizard from Hoeth, heroe on foot with lion cloak. PARTLY TRUE
- New Batallion Box: more expensive: 10 shadow warriors/maiden, 20 spears, bolthrowe or however it's said in English and 8 silver helms. FALSE
- No new model for Imrik and no drakes MC. Dragons can be placed as rare 1-3. FALSE
HE Rumors - April 2013
NEW STUFF:
-HE are going to get a new war machine that mixes RBT and dragon breath/flamethrower. Nobody told Maeltröm if its something independent or part of one of the flying chariots. He thinks that maybe a new war machine. FALSE
-Some people now say there will be no MC, so maybe no dragons. Others, instead, keep saying there will be and they give very explicit details. Maelström is confident they can be one of the releases, since if they exist not there will be few new boxes and having two different infantry boxes is both unlikely and unnecessary. He will keep digging to see what he finds. SPECULATION
-Next magic items disappear as you know them nowadays: Star Lance, Dragon Horn, Armor of Caledor (=Imrik coming back?). There is a new magic item: Book of the Phoenix. FALSE
-Dragons have awaken. More and more powerful dragons. Imrik is coming back. FALSE
-Phoenix King is going to battle. FALSE
NEW MODELS (from MORE likely to LESS likely):
1. BOX/KIT: Flying Chariot Sky Talons. Special character on it (Finubar/Eltharion) an option for RBT/flamethrower-dragon breath war machine. PARTLY TRUE
2. BOX/KIT: Phoenix/Phoenix Riders. Options for Special Character (Caradryan?), two/three types of Phoenix (Ice/Fire/Lone one). TRUE
3. BOX/KIT: Infantry: 10 Shadow Warriors/Maiden Guard (Some say they will be in two boxes and not in a multikit). DUPLICATE
4. BOX/KIT: Monstruos Cavalry "Fire Riders" (dragons) FALSE
5. BOX/KIT: Huge Dragon/Monster. Option for Imrik. FALSE
6. BOX/KIT: New War Machine (as the one in the flying chariot option B) FALSE
7. BOX/KIT: Great Eagles. FALSE
8. BOX/KIT: Two elven gods shrines. FALSE
BLISTERS (some to be seen on may, others in the future, others never). From MORE likely to LESS likely:
1. BLISTER Warrior Mage (some say with option to build Belannaer) TRUE
2. BLISTER Alarielle TRUE
3. BLISTER Teclis FALSE
4. BLISTER Random hero FALSE
Best Pone
High Elf - March 2013
I can confirm the flying chariot. It looks like a tiny boat with wings, and is pulled by a single giant eagle. It looks kind of silly in my opinion, but not much that can be done about that. TRUE
As for the phoenix, it can be made up either as a fire phoenix or an ice phoenix. This one at least look pretty cool (or hot, depending on the option you choose I guess ) TRUE
Both of these will be plastic kits:
- A unit of lasses that look to be using bows formed from water. They're something to do with Avalon? TRUE
- A unit wielding bows and swords, with face-covering helms. I understand these to be called Shadow Soldiers or something to that effect. TRUE
Actuality
Harry's Fantasy Recap - July 2012
HE - Imrik making a return, his inclusion possibly acting like Skrag but for True Dragon Princes. (This ties in with the popularity of the Caledor novels depicting mass dragon combat, the Storm of Magic novella, AND the Graham McNeil 2 part novel.) FALSE
HE - The monstrous cavalry are a form of lesser wingless dragon, akin to the demigryph. FALSE
HE - Dragon Princes riding some form of true dragon, (possibly limited to a sun dragon) Possibly in sets of three FALSE
Ozguard Battlehammer
High Elf - March 2013
I believe the Everqueen is completely new model with maidens. DUPLICATE
SilverHelms are currently special - returning to core DUPLICATE
Martial prowess meaning that they attack in an extra rank. TRUE
I'm not sure if Speed of Asuryan will change so that it negates a GW always strike last.. SPECULATION
Release date is May. (According to Aprils White Dwarf) TRUE
The frost phoenix is at the end of it's natural life. The fire phoenix is young and yes I believe the fire phoenix resurrects itself kind of like a hellpit. TRUE
High Elf - March 2013
the next army book will be High Elves.TRUE
Flying Phoenix's (Frost and Fire) that can drop flame templates on units they fly over. Gets abilities based on what is roled on winds of magic TRUE
Great Eagle towing chariots (Which can have bolt throwers on them) TRUE
New Highmage of Hoeth (Swordsmaster/mage) Gets every signature from all 8 lores. TRUE
Everqueen TRUE
Silver Helms as Core TRUE
Martial Prowess across the board TRUE
Archer units with magical bows TRUE
Swordsmasters get a parry save vs shooting TRUE
New Shadow Warrior Models TRUE
The White Dwarf battle report is vs Ogres. TRUE
Harry
High Elves - April 2013
Heard about a unit with Bows and Cloaks TRUE
I don't know if the thing about a plastic White Lion hero should be ruled out just yet.
I'm looking at the High Elf army book and there seems to be a character I do not actually recognize within it. On page 85 of the book there is a block of the old Spearmen with a White Lion equipped hero within...but the pose and axe do not match anything which I immediately recognize.
It could simply be a conversion but I do not know.
Edit:
I've dug around a bit and I think I've got what it is. It looks to be a White Lions hero made using bits from the Tiranoc/White Lion Chariot kit. There's a few bits which do not immediately, 100% agree with that but the angle of the photograph makes it hard to tell.
New Models:
- Saphery Chariot (flying chariot) PARTLY TRUE
- Drake Riders (dragon princes) FALSE
- Shadow Warriors TRUE
- Phoenix TRUE
- Guard of Avelorn (maiden guard or similar, not confirmed yet maybe extra option if you take Alarielle as well as 5th edition book) TRUE
Quite a bit of "well, duh!" here. I'm of the general opinion that "X stays in its current slot" shouldn't count as a rumour.
Nopuiidorl
HE Rumors - March 2013
Belannaer may return. FALSE
There will be new model to Imrik in a huge dragon (Caledor Dragon?), according to rumors. FALSE
Hastings' flying chariot do exist, but may not be pulled by eagles.PARTIALLY TRUE
There will be a shrine/anvil (similar tu lumynarch/hurricanum) of two known elven gods. Some buffs could be magical attacks/flaming attacks/ASF. FALSE
Dragon MC will be modelled taking Thaindon's dragon as inspiration (that elf dragon rider from the 3rd edition). Like current HE plastic dragon (which takes inspiration from a very old GW dragon). FALSE
Do not expect to see spears/LSG core units in may. The rumor holds truth, but that belongs to a further miniature wave. "Silver boys" coming later on too. PENDING
ASF will be lost as rule armywide (Harry said that alredy). This would mean a slight point decrease on miniatures. FALSE
A less likely rumor talks that there will be a "Caledor dragon", apart from current dragons. FALSE
SMs may have a path-choice attacks (+1 to hit/KB/ward save...), lions being slightly more focused in monster-killing; lion pelt would protect also in CC. FALSE
Apparently there will be new miniatures for Teclis and another "plastic mage (Belannaer we hope)". PARTLY TRUE
Plus: intrigues at court coming back (maybe different from 6ed), no valor of ages (probably changed into a new rule). There will be a new racial rule shared by all elves (we are discussing if this could be something related to elven swiftness). FALSE
There will be more core units (probably four or five slots), and more rare slots (probably three to five slots). FALSE
Cruddace was not the HE designer, and a team would be working in all three elven races at once. PENDING
Stromez Grom
High Elf - March 2013
I can confirm that we may get a new plastic infantry kit (10). I was doubting between Baumgant rumour (SM,A,SG), and new shadow warriors/maiden guard. VAGUE
Also there`s a phoenix on the way but not a superphoenix. It's a part of a shrine. I can confirm there is a huge dragon on the way but maybe not yet. FALSE
Gloryfan1 -
High Elves - April 2013
Swordmasters retain ASF (or similar) and move to Rare FALSE
New Helf unit in core with GW FALSE
Also your count for Maelstrom lists 5 true when he only has 3.
Hastings is lovin' it.
Stickmonkey has lost any credibility he had, imo.
Ghost21 is almost done with another batch bad.
Poor Kirby must have been fed a serious line.
Best Pone is looking like a good newcomer.
Absolutionis wrote: As an aside, you seem to have docked people "false" for new aspect warriors. Technically, the Crimson Hunter is an aspect warrior.
Yeah, I fought with my self on that one. Ultimately, although the CH is an aspect, it isn't what people think of as an aspect warrior. My feeling is that the intent was that people were saying there were new physical aspect models. I could be convinced otherwise, but right now feel I made the right call.
Have you considered going back to also listing the number of pending rumours? It could help a bit when looking for rumourmongers with lots of old rumours that haven't been updated in a while.
Avian wrote: Have you considered going back to also listing the number of pending rumours? It could help a bit when looking for rumourmongers with lots of old rumours that haven't been updated in a while.
It was suuuuuch a pain in the butt to keep track of who had pending and how many. I am up for a new idea that doesn't have me counting how many thousand rumors someone has put out though.
GENERAL SPECIAL RULES:
-NO ASF or Valor as we know it today. FALSE
-Elven Dexterity: units with this rule can use parry save when wielding any weapon, even if mounted (some units may use it against shooting or even if mounted). FALSE
-Special rule for rolling an additional dice on chase an remove the lowest result (or four dice removing two lowest dices to swift stride). FALSE
-IaC: more than ******** around, there are chances that the general may somehow help, dependin on region/power chosen it benefits some units. FALSE
SPECIAL RULES ON WEAPONRY:
-Elven Weapons: no penalties on two-handed or moving&shooting (there may exist extra bonus on elite units). (Translator says: in the beginning I thought of SW, but maybe maidens are also here). FALSE
-Ithilmar armor: no penalties when moving, +1AS on heavy armor (only on elite units). FALSE
-Dragon Armor: 3+ armor save against flaming attacks. FALSE
-Lion Pelt: Can also be used in CC. FALSE
MAGIC SPECIAL RULES:
-Elven Mages: +1 to dispel and can repeat channelings. FALSE
-High Magic: More powerful spells and representing the 8 lores of magic. It is said that there is one that gives life back to a dead character and other one specific against Chaos and "Bad" armies. They will be the most powerful sorcerers until Lizards get renewed after summer. Some rules will be shared with them. FALSE
SPECIFIC RULES ON UNITS:
-Martial Prowess: Elves fight and shoot with a extra rank (not specified, but this could be armywide). TRUE
-Spears and LSG: heavy armor and shield option. FALSE
-Archers: Light Armor. FALSE
-SHs: Heavy armor. Cheaper. PARTLY TRUE
-Ellyrian Reavers: Same. TRUE
-T-Chariot: Same, cheaper. TRUE
-SMs: Parry save against shooting, Swords of Hoeth, Paths fighting. PARTLY TRUE
-White Lions: Lumber Axes, Stubborn, Forest Stride. FALSE
-Phoenix Guard: Know their destiny (unbreakable), Magic Resistance, Ward Save. (maybe something about flaming attacks). FALSE
-SWs: Stalkers (?), Night Warriors (?). SPECULATION
-DPs: Caledor Proudness, all the rest remains the same. FALSE
-Lion Chariot: Same, cheaper. FALSE
-Flying Chariot: RBT on top of it, crew with elven weapons. PARTLY TRUE
-RBT: cheaper, better. PARTLY TRUE
-Dragons: Will of the Dragon (mix of 5ed. rule plus communion with rider that makes them share some rules). Super Dragon (Caledor Dragon?) may be wizard too. FALSE
-Phoenix: May be consecrated to Asuryan or another God (Phoenix alone or in a shrine?) PARTLY TRUE
-Fire Dragons (MC): same as dragon princes, beast mounted is better than eagle but worse than a hypogryphe. Fly, 1+AS. Rare. FALSE
-Maiden Guard: Avelorn Mirror (?), Deadly in CC (?) (Translator says: I think no one knows what they'd do. I thought they would not exist, thought this was a wishlist... Maybe it's just a unit upgrade after all...). FALSE
-Warrior-mage (different from dragon-mage): Hoeth disciplines, fighting magic (guy was convinced one of them would be Belannaer). FALSE
Rules Units:
- Fast Losing Asuryan, units receive points down (not known how or where specifically) and new rules (specifically not know unless some) (Whiterabbit) VAGUE
Units losing Speed of Asuryan will receive a points decrease, but it's unknown which units or how much of a decrease. They will also receive new rules to compensate for the loss, but it's not exactly known what the rules will be. FALSE
- Basic units increased to 4-5. Special units are more or less equally unique number and increase of 3-5. (Whiterabbit) PARTLY TRUE
No clue, but hopefully this doesn't mean a variable Point Increase for Core and Special. VAGUE
- Masters of the Sword: still have 2 A. Something missile, attack on the initiative with great weapon and combat forms (roads). - 1 hit, hit +1, Death Strike, Special Salvation. (It reminds me of what I did when I was blind Eltharion) (Whiterabbit) FALSE
Swordmasters have two Attacks, gain something against missile attacks, will hit at Initiative order with great weapons, and also have Mastery Paths: -1 to be Hit, +1 to Hit, Killing Blow, or (perhaps) an Increased Save. FALSE
- White Lions: an attack. Layer usable in melee, six monstrous enemies on impact wound. (Whiterabbit) FALSE
White Lions gain a Special Attack, perhaps an Impact Hit inflicting D6 Wounds. This would mesh well with the old idea of White Lions doing multiple wounds in 5th edition, as well as the Big Stabba impact hit weapon that Savage Orcs have. FALSE
- Apparently the rumored Phoenix kit: Altar / Yunque, could replace the loss of the Speed ??of Asuryan by the following rules based in Phoenix but humbler Mountrous Arcanum: SAP in radio, magic attacks, flaming attacks and a spell against demons . It is not known whether all at once or have to choose. (Whiterabbit) FALSE
The Phoenix functions like an Altar giving a benefit that compensates for losing Speed of Asuryan. Functions similarly to the Monstrous Arcanum rules but more simple. Unknown, Magic Attacks, Flaming Attacks, a Spell against Daemonons. It isn't clear if all these benefits are conferred at once or if you select one. FALSE
Automatically Appended Next Post: Not sure if these should count as rumours since this is all info from WD, but anyways.
HE Rumors
- Anointed of Asuryan as a new Lord choice. Can ride the Flamespyre Phoenix. Picture was posted briefly. It was the on-foot version of the ridden model. TRUE
- Loremaster as another new Lord choice. Has WS and A of a Noble, counts as a lvl 2 and knows all the signature spells in the rulebook. Great weapon and heavy armour.TRUE
- Lothern Sea Helm as a new Hero choice. Can ride the Skycutter chariot or be on foot. Can be the BSB TRUE
- Reavers and Silver Helms are Core. No news on other Core. TRUE
- Army apparently has army-wide ASF, Valour of Ages and Martial Prowess (presumably this means no-rolls for Swordmasters and White Lions) TRUE
- unridden Phoenixes are Rare. Names are Flamespyre and Frostheart. Only Caradryan can ride the frost one. They have a Ward save as normal and can come back from the dead on a D6 roll of a 6. Have a special rule called Attuned to Magic, which gives them abilities depending on the roll for the Winds of Magic. One of these boosts the Ward to a 4+. TRUE
- Flying chariot is called the Skycutter Chariot. Doesn't say it they are Special or Rare. TRUE
- High Magic Lore attribute gives units that have an augment cast on them a 6+ Ward in addition to any other effect. If the unit already has a Ward it gets improves as with the Mark of Tzeentch TRUE
- Bolt throwers are still Rare TRUE
- Sisters of Avelorn is the name of the new bow-wielding lasses TRUE
Massive update and a little change, since Avian asked for it. If someone has no pending rumors they now have a tag at the end of their name. That way we can focus on checking the ones that still are pending.
New Theory: Best Pone works for someone in the printing supply chain for White Dwarf. He has high accuracy and all his info seems to match things that come in WD but way early.
pretre wrote: New Theory: Best Pone works for someone in the printing supply chain for White Dwarf. He has high accuracy and all his info seems to match things that come in WD but way early.
That sounds like a reasonable assumption.
Is White Dwarf printed in China now though? Seems like all the early leaks have Chinese characters around the bottom, or is that just where the pictures manage to leak out?
pretre wrote: This just in! The Dark General got a rumor right!!!! Of course, he got something wrong right after that so it all balances...
I would say that's not worth anything, given that 1) we had seen the picture of the thing already, 2) it isn't a dual kit, and 3) isn't called either the Lord of Battles or the Death Dealer.
Pretre, do you know who predicted the "sun / solar cannon" for lizardmen way in advance? That ended up being spot on, so I'd like to know so I can now trust their rumors more
Funny stats that you posted... seems general rumor chances of being right are no better than a coin flip
Lizardmen - August 2012 - late summer/early autumn release next year for Lizardmen, TRUE -"super monstrous cavalry" unit; units of Carnosaur mounted Saurus;PENDING - new plastic carnosaur (singular);PENDING - It will also be the first time in 8th Edition (to date) that a character will be able to ride the same monstrous beast as the unit in its army - TRUE - Slann now becomes a multi-part plastic set - availability for a Relic Priest (Kroak, including Deathmask), a normal Priest, and a special limited edition plastic combination pack (similar to the Exalted Daemon Chariot) that combines a Stegadon and a Slann Priest to recreate Mazdamundi. In addition, they get access to Disciplines, but these may not be taken more than once. Reading into rumours suggests that Slann have Loremaster (see below for reasoning). PENDING - All Saurus armies become "viable" thanks to the return of Sacred Spawnings - units can purchase Sacred Spawnings like a Mark of Chaos, while characters get access to them off the bat. One will allow them to join Temple Guard units, others will give benefits to specific units, like Magic Resistance or Devastating Charge (Sotek?), while others (like Itzl, or whatever the Cold One Riders are), are already included within their stats. PENDING - Razordons and Salamanders become a Dual part plastic Monstrous beasts + handler kits, 2 Monsters and 6 Handlers to a set. PENDING - Couatl model - working like a Terrorgheist in that it can be both a mount (rumours are to be available at sub-200 points to allow 2 to be taken for heroes in 2400 games) and a monster, presuming rare. PENDING - The Stegadons become special choices as well, with a unit "upgrade" to Ancient stats, and a weapon "upgrade" to didgeridoo blowdarts. Skink Mounts still available IIRC. PENDING - Skink Priests gain access to Beasts as well as Heavens. In addition, Skink Priests may become "attendants" to a Slann - basically I read it as a Skink Priest option allowing it access to the same Lore the Slann itself knows. Reading into that suggests that Slann have Loremaster as standard. PENDING - The return of the Arcanadon - one thing that every non-lizard player is going to hate, a pokemon venusaur/stegadon crossover which takes in solar power to create a blast of magical light, in the form of a cannonball/stone thrower/flame cannon/breath weapon monster. Although nothing concrete about the presumed dual nature of the kit, it could possibly be a much "wanted" Thunder Lizard capable of making thunderstorms. This is eerily reminiscent of the Luminarks/Hurricanums however, so I am EXTREMELY DOUBTFUL and think is little more than wishlisting. Combined with the Couatl which is also a "thunder/weather" monster, this might be crossed wires, OR wishlisting (I believe the latter, though). SPECULATION - Apparently Nakai will return - an apparently unbreakable "autohealing" monster non-general hero choice. PENDING
Lizardmen - May 2013
New larger monsters for LM TRUE
[...]
Fantasy Schedule - March 2013
2013
HE TRUE
Lizardmen TRUE
[...]
Release Schedule
[...]
LM DUPLICATE
Antipathy
[...]
Lizardmen - August 2012
- late summer/early autumn release next year for Lizardmen, TRUE
-"super monstrous cavalry" unit; units of Carnosaur mounted Saurus; FALSE
- new plastic carnosaur (singular); TRUE
- It will also be the first time in 8th Edition (to date) that a character will be able to ride the same monstrous beast as the unit in its army - FALSE
- Slann now becomes a multi-part plastic set - availability for a Relic Priest (Kroak, including Deathmask), a normal Priest, and a special limited edition plastic combination pack (similar to the Exalted Daemon Chariot) that combines a Stegadon and a Slann Priest to recreate Mazdamundi. In addition, they get access to Disciplines, but these may not be taken more than once. Reading into rumours suggests that Slann have Loremaster (see below for reasoning). FALSE
- All Saurus armies become "viable" thanks to the return of Sacred Spawnings - units can purchase Sacred Spawnings like a Mark of Chaos, while characters get access to them off the bat. One will allow them to join Temple Guard units, others will give benefits to specific units, like Magic Resistance or Devastating Charge (Sotek?), while others (like Itzl, or whatever the Cold One Riders are), are already included within their stats. FALSE
- Razordons and Salamanders become a Dual part plastic Monstrous beasts + handler kits, 2 Monsters and 6 Handlers to a set. FALSE
- Couatl model - working like a Terrorgheist in that it can be both a mount (rumours are to be available at sub-200 points to allow 2 to be taken for heroes in 2400 games) and a monster, presuming rare. FALSE
- The Stegadons become special choices as well, with a unit "upgrade" to Ancient stats, and a weapon "upgrade" to didgeridoo blowdarts. Skink Mounts still available IIRC. FALSE
- Skink Priests gain access to Beasts as well as Heavens. In addition, Skink Priests may become "attendants" to a Slann - basically I read it as a Skink Priest option allowing it access to the same Lore the Slann itself knows. Reading into that suggests that Slann have Loremaster as standard. PARTLY TRUE
- The return of the Arcanadon - one thing that every non-lizard player is going to hate, a pokemon venusaur/stegadon crossover which takes in solar power to create a blast of magical light, in the form of a cannonball/stone thrower/flame cannon/breath weapon monster. Although nothing concrete about the presumed dual nature of the kit, it could possibly be a much "wanted" Thunder Lizard capable of making thunderstorms. This is eerily reminiscent of the Luminarks/Hurricanums however, so I am EXTREMELY DOUBTFUL and think is little more than wishlisting. Combined with the Couatl which is also a "thunder/weather" monster, this might be crossed wires, OR wishlisting (I believe the latter, though). SPECULATION
- Apparently Nakai will return - an apparently unbreakable "autohealing" monster non-general hero choice. FALSE
beerbeard
Release Schedule - July 2013
August: Lizardmen, but that's not all PARTLY TRUE
Earlybird
[...]
Lizardmen and Release Rumors - May 2013
Lizardmen sacred spawns are back. FALSE
Natfka on Faeit 212
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Release Schedule - March 2013
High Elves- May TRUE
Eldar- June TRUE
Apocalypse- July TRUE
Lizard Men- August TRUE
Papegeai
Lizardmen Rumors - May 2013
Nakai the Wanderer mini FALSE
Carnosaur cavalry as rare choice FALSE
New spawn a la chameleon FALSE
Dual Kit with big monster/machine of the old ones TRUE
New saurus on cold ones FALSE
Swarms now useful TOO VAGUE
Slanns more expensive TRUE
No sacred spawns TRUE
Stickmonkey
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Release Schedule - April 2013
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August: Lizardmen TRUE
Dark Angels:
"I actually don’t think they are getting a Flyer." - False
"Inner Circle sorta fits with what I have been hearing." - ??
"Super Techmarine sounds like the answer to the Warpsmith." - ??
"Fortification is pretty solid, but don’t expect army specific fortifications just yet it should be an addition to the current list." - False
"GW wants (along fluff lines) to have armies counter other armies in extremely specific ways." - Argue false, the leatest armies have been pretty balanced.
Necrons: I didn't see anything listed for them
"Rumor has it that a new Necron shooting attack can cause large swaths of your opponent’s army to die in a new interesting way. How it works is simple…
Necron Shoots Unit
Necron Hits Unit
Necron player allocates where the wound will be (how this is worded I have no idea)
All identical models to the one just shot are now hit
Roll to wound all models that are identical
Make armor saves were applicable
Here is an example. I shoot Necron weapon at a squad of Long Fangs. I hit and chose my wound to be rolled on a Missile Launcher Long Fang. All Missile Launcher Long Fangs IN THE ENTIRE ARMY are now hit. Now think take this a step further. What if I shoot a Ork Boy?
Here is the other way this weapon could work.
Necron Shoots Unit
Necron Hits Unit
Even though I only hit once I roll to wound every model in that unit.
Opponent makes armor saves where applicable"
Sisters of Battle: I didn't see anything listed for them
"Ok, with that said let us get on with why you are really here some SoB rumors.
As always let us start with the easy ones that pretty much everyone figured was going to happen.
Allies gone
Inquisition gone
Faith streamlined
USRs updated to 5th
Cheaper Unit costs
So let start with the big one and perhaps most controversial change to Sisters of Battle: Faith
I was amazed reading around the Net how quite a few people are pretty close to understanding how Faith is going to work. One caveat about the faith rules: I only have most of the story so let us hope someone else can pluck the rest from the aether. The only thing that really stays the same is only faith producing units can use faith. Gone is the over and under rules based on model count and gone is faith powers that everyone can use. It is replaced with every unit has its own unit specific act of faith to call upon.
So for instance Repentia Act of Faith allows them to always land an attack even if they are killed before they can swing. They are little bonuses like re-rolling to wound and hit, no USRs. Now this if fine and dandy if you just pop a faith point and bam! power goes off, but not so fast. Acts of Faith require that you roll 5+ to activate . This makes faith much more unreliable… maybe. In addition every unit that can get faith generates 1d6 faith points per turn. This also means that a new faith pool is generated each turn with no storing of past faith. As well faith can be activated in multiple phases of the game, so for instance you can re-roll to hit in your shooting phase or in your assault phase. What is not clear is a few things. Like how many dice can you throw at a single act of faith? How many times can you attempt to activated a power? If you get an act of faith to go off in one phase does it carry over to the next phase? If you fail an act of faith does that mean you cannot try again in another phase? I don’t have the answers, but what do you think?
Random tidbits
All Faith generating units get +6 invul save
All units that can get transports get Immolators or Rhinos
Assassins gone (Death Cult still in)
Wargear with the same names as GK wargear stay and get changed over. (e.g. Psybolt Ammo)
Karamazov gone
Priests in, pretty much same as before.
No change to the general Bolter, Melta, Flame concept of the Sisters
Specifics
Sisters have about 5 HQ choices including Special Characters
St. Celestine: Same price as a Grand Master you get 2+/+4 saves, WS/BS 7 Jump Pack, Fleet, Power Weapons always wounds on 4+ Has the power to come back like GK Thawn if killed.
Confessor: Takes the slot of the old Inquisitors. Cheap HQ (Warboss). Can create a henchman band using most of the henchman found in the GK codex. What makes the Confessor extra deadly is the ability for it to re-roll hits and wounds for her and the squad. This is the translation of the rumor matrix. So think for one second about her and the Death Cult together?
Repentia: Cheaper close to SM cost. FNP, Rage, Fearless, 6+ invul, no transports
Battle Sister Squad: Cheaper 10-20 unit size (no combat squads), but has access to Immolators which begs the question… Immolators either get increased transport capacity or Sisters break the rules concerning model count and buying transports. Multiple acts of faith.
Exocists: Pretty much same as before.
This is it for now gents and dames. If you have any questions let me know I can see if can get them answered sometime this week with another post.
What is not in the Codex
Repressors
Arbites
The Units (more information than others)
Canoness: Here is my special shout out to the Canoness: you are terrible. I mean grossly underpowered. Now this is going to sound like a cop-op, but I am not going into details because my hope is that she will be changed before release. It just sounds and looks like she is an unfinished product. She gets her own retinue that cannot do anything; she starts out cheap, but her upgrades are expensive and lame when you compare to everything else. So here is hoping to GW getting her fixed.
Repentia: Forgot to mention they have fleet
Celastians: Cheaper than a Marine, but not really anything going for them (that I know of)… extra attack. Re-roll hits for act of faith
Sister Battle Squad: Can still get a Heavy Flamer
Shraphim: They are pretty amazing. Cheaper than a Space Marine you get a Jump Packing, Hit and Running, and an act of faith that has them re-rolling wounds. You can also upgrade them to run with double hand flamers and melta pistols. They act both as an extra close combat weapon and become assault 2 instead of being twin-linked. So that means Assault 2 melta weapons.
Dominion Squads: Still get 4 special weapons. Act of Faith twin-linked.
Retributor Squads: Pretty fantastic. CHEAP! Talking under Long Fang cheap to fully kit out. Expect the return of the Heavy Bolter with these. Act of Faith is Rending.
Penitent Engines: Again fantastic. Same statline (Walker). No Scout or Infiltrate. Cheaper and can be a squadron aka 9 Engines. They still get the 1D6 attacks, but any wounds generate additional attacks (don’t know if they work like Blood Talons). 6+ Invul (don’t know if they generate faith)"
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2011/06/12/network-news-sisters-of-battle-rumors-sunday-edition/ http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2011/06/15/network-news-sisters-of-battle-rumor-round-2/
Dark Eldar: I searched the site and didn't see any of the rumors I recalled reading. Especially about how the Harlequin in the DE book were going to be way better.
xole wrote: It would be interesting if 4chan ended up being more accurate than other rumor mongerers.
i say keep it for entertainment value.
I probably will at this point. As I have said in other places, 4chan tends to have more leaks than other places and they are pretty reliable. Less rumors, per se.
xole wrote: It would be interesting if 4chan ended up being more accurate than other rumor mongerers.
i say keep it for entertainment value.
I probably will at this point. As I have said in other places, 4chan tends to have more leaks than other places and they are pretty reliable. Less rumors, per se.
Isn't accountability of anonymous rumor posters on 4chan work out about the same as trying to account for anonymous rumor posters from Faeit?
MajorWesJanson wrote: Isn't accountability of anonymous rumor posters on 4chan work out about the same as trying to account for anonymous rumor posters from Faeit?
Yes and no.
If we consider 4chan to be the rumor monger and aggregate all of them, then 4chan becomes just like Faeit.
The difference is that Faeit (theoretically at least) has the ability to differentiate between different rumors and post or not post them as they come to him from his 'sources'. 4chan, on the other hand, just posts whatever it wants. One might argue, however, that the 4chan community would not pass along truly bad or unlikely rumors outside of 4chan, however, so that may give it the same kind of 'editorial' control.
Great, I just anthropomorphized 4chan. Just what we needed.
Moved one of the old really bad daemon rumors to mikey0987 instead of natfka. Looks like the nid stuff is shaking out his earlier predictions and they are bad.
Updates are in. I'll get all the SM rumors once I get a hold of a space marine codex.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Natfka got slammed in this update: F 34 PT 1 T 2
Ghost21 and Jared Van Kell are finally done with the BT part of SM. Yay!
Tasty took a little hit off of his BTWD Dex predictions.
Summer of MC - June 2012
Multipart plastic GD PENDING
multipart plastic Avatar PENDING
5 MC kits PENDING
Also, it says that Jared Van Kell has rumours pending while 40K Radio does not. It should be the other way around.
Some more Dark Elf rumours
Mannfred
Blackguard...will be going up in points...moved to Rare choice at 0-1...with only 1 attack....
playtesting is currently whether to give them str4 base like exes, or +1 to hit in the first round of combat at current ws5 or upped to ws6 all the time...
warrior elite scrapped, as DE hatred is going to be all rounds but must pursue if possible...
There is no sea creature or like GIANT kit! Dark Elves getting a hybrid kit....it is a plastic monster kit which can build a Hydra "supposedly the biggest monster there" or what is called a Warbeast of Karond Kar, don't quote me on the name....its what i'd call it....
basically a monster and handler unit, with basic states, players can then pay points for upgrades, ie like +2 attacks, regen and etc...and therefore build if you want like a chimera or like basalisk or something in between, "yes something like acid blood upgrade"....no turn to stone upgrade but....think basalisk has something like that going by memory at the moment....
75hastings69 wrote: Just to point out that at no point did I say that WFB DE would be 2014. Dwarves have the honour of being the first 2014 WFB release.
Here's all I have for you and DE:
Spoiler:
Fantasy Release Rumors - May 2013
I'm pretty sure LM, DE & Dwarf players WILL get a new book before 9th, but not sure about the rest. PENDING
Dwarves should be with you early next year. PENDING
... significant changes to the rules, the timeline and the approach to armybooks. PENDING
And this way get rid of named characters - 500 years passed so some are dead and some are new phoenix kings etc so no reason to field them on the table? SPECULATION
(Kroothawk's Summary of Hasting's Point): Warhammer Fantasy is shrinking, the old army book concept will go for combined-army-list-update book PENDING
Harry's Fantasy Recap - July 2012
DE - Rumours of Witch Elves, PENDING Dwarves - Rumours of a a big plastic, steam driven, wheeled, orc mashing, monsterous contraption in the image of the ancestors. PENDING On the big Orc mashing kit, it's actually a large plastic re-imagining of the old "dwarf juggernaut" model... with a smashy fist option (as one of three (iirc) options) PENDING Dwarves - Plastic slayers PENDING HE - There has been a suggestion that there will be a flying Chariot.TRUE WE - There are rumours of a BIG treeman. PENDING
Fliers/DE - May 2012
Confirmed Flyers for June TRUE Carnosaurs and DEPENDING
Do you see something I don't about DE?
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Breotan wrote: So, who are the big winners and losers with the Space Marine rumors?
I actually posted that a bit up:
Natfka got slammed in this update: F 34 PT 1 T 2
Ghost21 and Jared Van Kell are finally done with the BT part of SM. Yay!
Tasty took a little hit off of his BTWD Dex predictions.
I may still be waiting for the codex for a couple more. Unless anyone has a copy they want to lend me.
If the 40K Radio guys are right, the Dark Elves are getting 6 out of 9 non-plastic units converted. If you're a rumourmonger and you don't get more than 50 % right on this release, you aren't trying.
Avian wrote: If the 40K Radio guys are right, the Dark Elves are getting 6 out of 9 non-plastic units converted. If you're a rumourmonger and you don't get more than 50 % right on this release, you aren't trying.
Heh. If, on the other hand, Hastings is right and DE aren't coming in Oct, it is going to be a bad day for some folks.
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75hastings69 wrote: Just to point out that at no point did I say that WFB DE would be 2014. Dwarves have the honour of being the first 2014 WFB release.
Bigman wrote:
That makes me happy. I think the overall edition has been a highlight for many people, outside of some weird unit choices and book balancing issues initially. An extra year would allow all armies to get treatment before new edition in 2015.
2013
HE
Lizardmen
2014
DE Dwarfs
Brets(?)
2015
WE (?)
Skaven (?)
9th edition
Personally I'd swap WE & Brets around and change Skaven to O&G....... but that's just me
Automatically Appended Next Post: I updated the link to directly to your post on Warseer.
On that note, here are some rumours I found in my own head. Let's see what kind of score I can get:
- Dwarfs out in February-ish
- It's a hardback book and not just a miniature wave
- Book is not written by Ward (phew!)
- Artwork is a mix of old pieces and some impressive new ones
As for the models:
- plastic hammerers
- plastic ironbreakers (supposedly a variant build for the above)
- plastic slayers (great weapons and additional hand weapons)
- plastic grudge thrower
- plastic bolt thrower (again supposedly double kit)
- plastic gyrocopter w more options
- plastic flame cannon with variant build
- plastic anvil with variant build
- plastic big "monster" with multiple configurations
A couple more by Arthurius11 that went a bit unnoticed.
"To add the rumours I posted earlier in the thread, I was told today there will also be a plastic shadowblade model and a model called Black Ark Admiral. "
These are both TRUE.
Also, this one by Zeiperer is only partly true (or vague). Base is wrong and doesn't build anything that could resemble a Manticore - it just builds the two options.
"New large monster type, probably 150x100 base type. Though could be anything, a kit of options to build a hydra, manticore or other monster types.TRUE "
By Mannfred
Dark Elf Rumors - Sep 2013
Blackguard...will be going up in points...moved to Rare choice at 0-1...with only 1 attack.... PENDING
playtesting is currently whether to give them str4 base like exes, or +1 to hit in the first round of combat at current ws5 or upped to ws6 all the time... PENDING
warrior elite scrapped, as DE hatred is going to be all rounds but must pursue if possible... PENDING
Dark Elf Rumors - Sep 2013
There is no sea creature or like GIANT kit! Dark Elves getting a hybrid kit....it is a plastic monster kit which can build a Hydra "supposedly the biggest monster there" or what is called a Warbeast of Karond Kar, don't quote me on the name....its what i'd call it.... PARTIALLY TRUE
basically a monster and handler unit, with basic states, players can then pay points for upgrades, ie like +2 attacks, regen and etc...and therefore build if you want like a chimera or like basalisk or something in between, "yes something like acid blood upgrade"....no turn to stone upgrade but....think basalisk has something like that going by memory at the moment.... PENDING
The others are all FALSE
By Darnok
Harry's Fantasy Recap
DE - Expected before WE PENDING
This is TRUE
Something funky going on with the Demiurg / DeathlessDraich entries. Anyways
Dark Elf Rumors - Sep 2013
1) 2 new monsters (or monstrous units?) not 1. One monster from Karond Kar (Is this the Kraken? Does it fly? - I don't know) and the other may be from Har Ganeth FALSE (only 1 new monster and not from either of these places)
2) Temple of Khaine artifacts remain - Don't know whether there are new poisons or not VAGUE
3) Maybe a new unit from Har Ganeth or a modification for Executioners? FALSE
4) Improved Assassins - could be a Save or improved Hidden rules. FALSE
5) I think rumours of City Guard, Slaves etc are probably hopeful speculation. Dark Magic and Black Horror will probably remain as do all the present units but following latest trends there are bound to be new units. SPECULATION
Dark Elf Rumors - July 2013
Sure I can contribute, Exexutioner and Black Guard share same kit, with black guards having alternate caped back piece, head, and halberd. PAERTLY TRUE
The weapons are almost interchangeable without any work done no matter what torso you use for the body yes even if 2 handed. INCOMPREHENSIBLE
My speculation is there will be no new manticore as chaos already received a new plastic one during storm of chaos. SPECULATION
Lastly regarding Cauldron of Blood. It is a hybrid kit with old witch Elf element for 1 build. While the new variation is like Empire War Altar. VAGUE
It has a special aura similar to EOTG called ??? blades that is like a whirl wind of magic blades that damage surrounding enemies emitted by khain's hatred. FALSE
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Dark Elf Rumors - Sep 2013
someone just told me that dark elf have army-wide ASF rule. TRUE
Some more DE ones from late August to mid September that got overlooked, by some new guy called ChargeAndDie on Warseer. They are all TRUE
I've heard some whispers from my friend that De will get something like a Medusa kit and that the signature spell or dark magic lore attribute boosts strength. Also getting a 100 point item (executioner axe) in line with other books like OnG and LM. My friend got his info from some Chinese website. He refused to tell me more cos of gw threatening to delay Asia's releases. Take with a pinch of salt.
I've posted few rule tidbits but apparently no one's interested. Kraken has 4 s7 attacks and if all hit, additional d6 s7 attacks. Scourgerunner has s7 bolt thrower with no armor saves (fluff - they use this to hunt monsters). Signature spell boosts strength by 1 and adds d3 power dice. And someone mentioned army wide ASF.
I've heard some rumours about the witch elf alternative unit. Apparently they will have lashes with a shield and have a 4+ ward save in combat unless against mark of slaneesh units. WS5 2A and additional +1 to hit if WS is higher than enemy in base contact. The alternate hydra - beast of karond kar has 4 S7 attacks and additonal D6 S7 attacks if all the attacks hit.
All the rumours from 40k correlate with my source as well so i presume its accurate.
some more rules rumours. signature spell increases strength by 1 and adds d3 power dice to your pool ala power of darkness. And the scourgerunner has a S7 bolt thrower with no armor saves. (apparently it's used to hunt monsters). There's a new type of Lord choice - think sea helm for DE. Has a sword for a leg. the model looks cool accordingly to my source.
Some more rule rumours
Warlocks are a casting unit Ala pink horrors. Spells are leadership hex and 2d6 s5 MM. Fixed level 2 with +1 to cast with every rank. Apparently they have 4+ ward.
New type of witch hag char which has an item to give +1 attack to unit and +2 if the unit has frenzy.
Lore attribute is target takes 2d6 s1 AP hits if roll doubles while casting and 3d6 if triples are rolled.
Take the rumours with a pinch of salt. They are what they are - rumours not facts. There's another one about the altar - 5+ ward and reroll to wound to all Khaine units within 6 inches and it has a bound spell similar to the witch hag item. Black horror is template remove models if strength test fails. No armor saves but ward saves are allowed.
Anyone who knows fantasy better know if these two pending are true or false?
Dark Elves - Sept 2013
via Monkeybusiness on Faeit 212
Most of these characters are missing from that list. Only adding. Guys on 40k radio are pretty close from the real launch.
I've just seen the news about DE but I've found they missed some of the new possible characters...
Plastic Khaine Character PENDING
Plastic new Assasin Shadowblade TRUE
Plastic kit for Admiral of the Dark Fleet TRUE
Plastic kit Executioners Special Character PENDING
gobskrag 'eadbasha wrote: I dunno, this one seems like it would be an exception to that rule. It's so handy, I see it linked in other forums on occasion.
Best_Pone and Endobai about the two new 40k expansions:
Best_Pone wrote:I've been hearing talk of a couple of new expansions for 40K due for release next month:
The first is a fortifications expansion, containing new datasheets and missions for use in regular 40k. I'm also under the understanding that some of these datasheets allow you to take several fortifications as a single choice.
The second expansion brings superheavy vehicles (and gargantuan creatures) to regular 40k. My understanding is that this will be achieved by adding a new super heavy slot to the force org chart, and that you will be limited to the choices detailed within this expansion (I think there's approximately 15 of them). This expansion will also include new missions.
Endobai;6971565 wrote:I can confirm both expansions.
Hardbacks, c. 100 pages long.
Escalation provides rules for super heavies, gargantuans and D-weapons + 16 unit sheets providing options for all armies.
For example Revenant titan for Eldar and Dark Eldar ( I guess Tantalus was not good enough?).
I'd expect all models released in plastic + 1-2 per army. Thunderhawks are mentioned as one of those vehicles.
Basically mini-Apocalypse with about 50% superheavies which are described.
The fortification supplement gives datasheets for released fortification sets, how to combine some of them and field as larger constructs + various rules for buildings, ruins etc.
Both books include missions and background sections, but fluff is not too important contrary to codex supplements. Treat them as Planetstrike, Spearhead and similar sets of rules we've seen in the past.
Kijamon wrote:Are you saying that you expect all GW produced superheavies (as in the ones already in plastic) to be in the book
Or are you saying you expect all of the units in the book to be turned plastic?
Cause I can see the former but I don't think we'll ever see the latter.
The former.
So not too many FW resin superheavies, but some obviously will have to appear in the book.
I doubt that things such as Eldar titans will be made in plastic.
In what is almost hilarious commentary on his own blog's accuracy, Natfka posted a list of everything that's rumored to release this month:
December Releases: Which ones will make it, and which ones will be kicked into the new year?
Escalation: 40k Expansion that adds a Lord of War slot into regular 40k games that can be filled with Super Heavies, Gargantuan Creatures, and more.
Stronghold Assault: A large 40k expansion to add multiple new fortifications into the game with new upgrades, and even combining fortifications into a single large one for one foc choice.
Space Marines: Ultima Edition: A new limited edition set with new artwork and 4 hardback books as one single collectors edition set.
Sigmar's Blood: A Warhammer Fantasy supplement that recreates Volkmar's invasion of Sylvania
Tyranid Codex: New 6th edition codex obviously with new model releases
In other news, December is going to be a rough month for FALSE ratings.
Minor updates due to confirmation of the December release list. I think Monday or so, I will need to do a big update to catch up with all the stuff that has happened recently.
Bretonnians had a few rumors with 2013 dates on them, too. You should go through the Fantasy rumors and make sure stuff doesn't get overlooked in the nidpocalypse.
Breotan wrote: Bretonnians had a few rumors with 2013 dates on them, too. You should go through the Fantasy rumors and make sure stuff doesn't get overlooked in the nidpocalypse.
Yeah, generally when I get the time, I check everything that isn't 'no rumors pending'.
Monkeybusiness
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Plastic kit Executioners Special Character FALSE
Technically it can be either one. The rumor was that the Executioner boxed set can make the Executioner special character, Tullaris. Tullaris' only defining feature is the "First Draich", which is not described as to what it is.
pretre wrote: I'm going to go with false though. Compare it to the line before that one:
Plastic kit for Admiral of the Dark Fleet TRUE
Plastic kit Executioners Special Character PENDING
Plastic kit for Admiral was True and a clam, right?
Yeah, the Admiral got a kit but the Executioner character kit was listed in the "second wave" correct? We did not get the Executioner/Black Guard kit until then so that could be part of the confusion. I thought I remembered reading something about the rumor being "Executioner/Black Guard kit with character options in the box"?
I just don't know how to really class this rumor.
Both characters have no real defining piece of wargear that would have necessitated them to be independent kits, but rather are just named versions of the unit type with some kind of special rule attached.
It's nowhere hinted that you could make Tullaris (or however you spell his name) from the Executioners / Black Guard kit. Sure, you could pretend the champion was the special character, but he'd look just like all the other Executioner champions. In all cases where you can build special characters from other kits, they come with unique options to set them apart.
Plus the two listed before it are definitely single kits.
(I think the Khainite character one is also somewhat iffy, but at least there are models who are clearly Khainite characters SOMEWHERE in the release.)
See also the Tau Pathfinder character regarding what can be done to set less special special characters apart.
