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The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/17 15:12:17


Post by: ZoBo


Bojazz wrote:
Possibly related to the gathering storm - Eldar are getting sort of renamed to "Aeldari". Still known as/call themselves Eldar, but official name is Aeldari (a la humans vs homo sapiens I guess)

http://a-40k-author.tumblr.com/post/155956855681/oh-please-tell-me-the-eldar-are-getting-renamed-to

Can anyone verify this?

I mean, I don't care either way frankly...but, why would they be changing eldar to aeldari?...what's wrong with eldar?

...and just like how nobody really calls imperial guard "astra militarum", I can't imagine anyone suddenly calling eldar "aeldari" either...it just seems like basically a waste of time and resources to go rebadging everything, for no real effect aside from probably annoying some people...meh, whatever

GW playing wheel of fortune, buying vowels all over the place...daft.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/17 15:24:51


Post by: Kriswall


 ZoBo wrote:
Bojazz wrote:
Possibly related to the gathering storm - Eldar are getting sort of renamed to "Aeldari". Still known as/call themselves Eldar, but official name is Aeldari (a la humans vs homo sapiens I guess)

http://a-40k-author.tumblr.com/post/155956855681/oh-please-tell-me-the-eldar-are-getting-renamed-to

Can anyone verify this?

I mean, I don't care either way frankly...but, why would they be changing eldar to aeldari?...what's wrong with eldar?

...and just like how nobody really calls imperial guard "astra militarum", I can't imagine anyone suddenly calling eldar "aeldari" either...it just seems like basically a waste of time and resources to go rebadging everything, for no real effect aside from probably annoying some people...meh, whatever

GW playing wheel of fortune, buying vowels all over the place...daft.


Lots of people use the term Astra Militarum. Everyone in my local crew does. Sometimes someone will say IG, but for the most part, Imperial Guard has always meant the red guys who protect Emprah Palpatine, not Emprah Emprah.

Having said that, I strongly imagine that Aeldari is an ancient human name for the Eldar in the same way that Mon-keigh is the Eldar name for humanity.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/17 15:25:27


Post by: lord marcus


Eldar is an lotr term. Not copyright able.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/17 15:30:55


Post by: Ghaz


Bojazz wrote:
Possibly related to the gathering storm - Eldar are getting sort of renamed to "Aeldari". Still known as/call themselves Eldar, but official name is Aeldari (a la humans vs homo sapiens I guess)

http://a-40k-author.tumblr.com/post/155956855681/oh-please-tell-me-the-eldar-are-getting-renamed-to

Can anyone verify this?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/90/714551.page#9141958

Mr. MacNiven has also commented in that thread HERE.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/17 15:48:53


Post by: Lanlaorn


Every single naming change they do is to better secure their legal rights on these terms. You can't copyright Imperial Guard, Stormtroopers, Space Marines, Orcs, etc. but you can Astra Militarum, Militarum Tempestus, Adeptus Astartes, Orruks, etc.



The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/17 15:53:08


Post by: Galef


 Kriswall wrote:

Having said that, I strongly imagine that Aeldari is an ancient human name for the Eldar in the same way that Mon-keigh is the Eldar name for humanity.

Don't you mean Aeldari is the ancient Eldar name for themselves? Or even what they probably call themselves?

Remember, 40K names are from the human perspective. I highly doubt Eldar call their unit by the names of Earth animals like Falcons, Hawks, Scorpions, Spiders, Vypers etc
It is more likely that humans have given them these designations as a crude translation of what the Eldar actually call them.

Heck, "Aeldari" could have been their name this whole time, but humans lack the subtlety to hear/pronounce that word correctly, so they call them "Eldar"

-


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/17 16:24:18


Post by: Bojazz


 Galef wrote:
 Kriswall wrote:

Having said that, I strongly imagine that Aeldari is an ancient human name for the Eldar in the same way that Mon-keigh is the Eldar name for humanity.

Don't you mean Aeldari is the ancient Eldar name for themselves? Or even what they probably call themselves?

Remember, 40K names are from the human perspective. I highly doubt Eldar call their unit by the names of Earth animals like Falcons, Hawks, Scorpions, Spiders, Vypers etc
It is more likely that humans have given them these designations as a crude translation of what the Eldar actually call them.

Heck, "Aeldari" could have been their name this whole time, but humans lack the subtlety to hear/pronounce that word correctly, so they call them "Eldar"
if you check the source link, the author says that the eldar call themselves eldar. Aeldari is just an official name, so possibly their name given by the old one when they were created, but has since morphed to Eldar in colloquial conversation.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/17 16:34:31


Post by: ALEXisAWESOME


 Galef wrote:
 Kriswall wrote:

Having said that, I strongly imagine that Aeldari is an ancient human name for the Eldar in the same way that Mon-keigh is the Eldar name for humanity.

Don't you mean Aeldari is the ancient Eldar name for themselves? Or even what they probably call themselves?

Remember, 40K names are from the human perspective. I highly doubt Eldar call their unit by the names of Earth animals like Falcons, Hawks, Scorpions, Spiders, Vypers etc
It is more likely that humans have given them these designations as a crude translation of what the Eldar actually call them.

Heck, "Aeldari" could have been their name this whole time, but humans lack the subtlety to hear/pronounce that word correctly, so they call them "Eldar"

-


They do not, at least from the sources we have available. Eldar refer to themselves are Eladrith, extrapolated from Vect being the first to name the denizens of Commorragh, Eladrith Ynneas, meaning Dark Eldar. This was in M32, considering the fall was in M31 I imagine the language wouldn't be so different from the pre-fall Eldar. Perhaps the dialects were different outside of Commorragh, but as far as we know the only word we've heard to describe Eldar in their own language is either Eladrith or Ynneas and I'd put good money on which one means Eldar.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/17 16:58:59


Post by: Donomar


Lanlaorn wrote:
Every single naming change they do is to better secure their legal rights on these terms. You can't copyright Imperial Guard, Stormtroopers, Space Marines, Orcs, etc. but you can Astra Militarum, Militarum Tempestus, Adeptus Astartes, Orruks, etc.



Their motivation is well established. I just wish they wouldn't pick stupid names like Duardin, Orruks and Aeldari!


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/17 17:06:09


Post by: Frozen Ocean


Don't forget "ogors". Ugh. "Duardin" isn't too bad, considering it's at least somewhat removed from something ridiculous like "dwarfors".

They've been called "Eldar" for 30 years. This is really unnecessary. I'm fine with it being an obscure term used in little quotes by Ahriman and whatever, but I will be loathe to see "Codex: Aeldari Craftworlds" (or "Craftrealms").


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/17 18:06:00


Post by: ZoBo


ah there we go! ...I was starting to think I was the only belligerent old git around here suddenly


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/17 18:33:37


Post by: Alpharius


I'd gladly accept this change it also means GW can forget the term "Mon-keigh" ever existed...


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/17 18:50:37


Post by: Cosmic Schwung


 lord marcus wrote:
Eldar is an lotr term. Not copyright able.


I don't think you can copyright a name. You can get a trademark though. GW did exactly that for its use in games and models back in '92.

This is GW just wanting a collective name for all the different factions, isn't it? I'll be surprised if they start changing the names of codecies.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/17 18:55:59


Post by: angelofvengeance


Cosmic Schwung wrote:
 lord marcus wrote:
Eldar is an lotr term. Not copyright able.


I don't think you can copyright a name. You can get a trademark though. GW did exactly that for its use in games and models back in '92.

This is GW just wanting a collective name for all the different factions, isn't it? I'll be surprised if they start changing the names of codecies.


They have... Astra Militarum/Tempestus, Adeptus Astartes, Adepta Sororitas.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/17 19:08:46


Post by: EnTyme


 angelofvengeance wrote:
Cosmic Schwung wrote:
 lord marcus wrote:
Eldar is an lotr term. Not copyright able.


I don't think you can copyright a name. You can get a trademark though. GW did exactly that for its use in games and models back in '92.

This is GW just wanting a collective name for all the different factions, isn't it? I'll be surprised if they start changing the names of codecies.


They have... Astra Militarum/Tempestus, Adeptus Astartes, Adepta Sororitas.


Pretty sure my book at home still says Codex Adeptus Astartes: Space Marines.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/17 19:18:24


Post by: Carnikang


 Alpharius wrote:
I'd gladly accept this change it also means GW can forget the term "Mon-keigh" ever existed...


Not as bad as Gue'la.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/17 19:45:17


Post by: nudibranch


 Carnikang wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
I'd gladly accept this change it also means GW can forget the term "Mon-keigh" ever existed...


Not as bad as Gue'la.


Cause screw the game having a sense of humour...


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/17 20:00:24


Post by: Alpharius


So the Xenos terms for Humanity just happen to sound like Monkey and Gorilla and that's...funny?

OK.

I mean, I'm all for funny stuff that's, you know, actually funny!


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/17 20:28:07


Post by: TheDraconicLord


 Alpharius wrote:
So the Xenos terms for Humanity just happen to sound like Monkey and Gorilla and that's...funny?

OK.

I mean, I'm all for funny stuff that's, you know, actually funny!


Gue'la sounds like Gorilla?! Wow, you english speakers must pronounce it in a very particular way I never noticed this one.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/17 20:54:02


Post by: pretre


FAKE
Of dubious authenticity.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/17 20:55:55


Post by: Robin5t


Like I did on the other forum where I saw that image posted, I'll draw everyone's attention to 'Matthias Ward' and 'Phi Kellus'.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/17 20:56:30


Post by: pretre


 Robin5t wrote:
Like I did on the other forum where I saw that image posted, I'll draw everyone's attention to 'Matthias Ward' and 'Phi Kellus'.

That was the first thing I noticed.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/17 20:56:41


Post by: gigasnail


Lol, cute


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/17 20:57:47


Post by: Ghaz


 pretre wrote:
Spoiler:


Of dubious authenticity.

The Ultramarine Scout named 'Phi Kellus'? As in 'Phil Kelly'?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/17 20:58:01


Post by: Nostromodamus


Obviously fake. A New Hope is chapter 4, not 1


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/17 20:59:58


Post by: Kanluwen


 pretre wrote:
 Robin5t wrote:
Like I did on the other forum where I saw that image posted, I'll draw everyone's attention to 'Matthias Ward' and 'Phi Kellus'.

That was the first thing I noticed.

First thing I noticed was that Chapters 2 and 3 are literally the exact same as the first book.
"The Fires of Salvation" and "The Chime of Midnight".


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/17 21:00:15


Post by: pretre


edit: Crud it says I not IA.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 pretre wrote:
 Robin5t wrote:
Like I did on the other forum where I saw that image posted, I'll draw everyone's attention to 'Matthias Ward' and 'Phi Kellus'.

That was the first thing I noticed.

First thing I noticed was that Chapters 2 and 3 are literally the exact same as the first book.
"The Fires of Salvation" and "The Chime of Midnight".

Removed it. Good catch.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/17 21:11:43


Post by: Kanluwen


It also gives the wrong name for one of the Geminae...but hey, maybe there will be more?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 01:01:07


Post by: Mario


 Ghaz wrote:
 pretre wrote:
Spoiler:


Of dubious authenticity.

The Ultramarine Scout named 'Phi Kellus'? As in 'Phil Kelly'?

And the 8th company Ultramarines captain Matthais/Matthias Ward (not sure, it's a bit blurry), as in Matt(hew) Ward.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 01:26:23


Post by: Slayer-Fan123


That's so fake it shouldn't have been posted here.

In fact, if it is real, I will eat a well done steak.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 01:38:22


Post by: Mantle


So if the eldar trio is eldrad, the model that we can sort of see and I'm guessing a named iyanden farseer/spiritseer could it be that eldrad has tracked down the shard of ynnead(sp?) and needed the help of the iyanden seer to give the shard a physical form, it looks to me like that model has a ghost warrior style head with the point on the top being similar to a wraithknights but obviously infantry sized, maybe he has commorite armour parts because the shard fled to commoragh in the webway and they used what was on hand.
Just my own speculation obviously.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 02:10:40


Post by: Red Corsair


 Mantle wrote:
So if the eldar trio is eldrad, the model that we can sort of see and I'm guessing a named iyanden farseer/spiritseer could it be that eldrad has tracked down the shard of ynnead(sp?) and needed the help of the iyanden seer to give the shard a physical form, it looks to me like that model has a ghost warrior style head with the point on the top being similar to a wraithknights but obviously infantry sized, maybe he has commorite armour parts because the shard fled to commoragh in the webway and they used what was on hand.
Just my own speculation obviously.


The helmet looks almost exactly like on of the kabalite warrior helmets from the infantry box. i think people are getting carried away with the theory crafting at this point. It's a neat idea though.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 02:23:14


Post by: Theophony


 Alpharius wrote:
So the Xenos terms for Humanity just happen to sound like Monkey and Gorilla and that's...funny?

OK.

I mean, I'm all for funny stuff that's, you know, actually funny!


And Ghazghkull Mag Uruk thraka= Margaret thatcher(if your jaw is broken)
Vulcan hes'tan = Vulcan he's tan (because you know the salamanders aren't black , it's just a radioactive tan )
There's dozens of names that are all jokes ( look at old lizardman hero names)


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 03:26:48


Post by: Nostromodamus


Those are a bit of a stretch.

And I never thought Gue'La was "gorilla". Seems like a stretch too.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 03:57:34


Post by: Rihgu


 Nostromodamus wrote:
Those are a bit of a stretch.

And I never thought Gue'La was "gorilla". Seems like a stretch too.


Thought Gue'la was a reference to gweilo


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 04:29:47


Post by: AllSeeingSkink


Cosmic Schwung wrote:
 lord marcus wrote:
Eldar is an lotr term. Not copyright able.


I don't think you can copyright a name. You can get a trademark though. GW did exactly that for its use in games and models back in '92.

This is GW just wanting a collective name for all the different factions, isn't it? I'll be surprised if they start changing the names of codecies.
It's all because of the Chapterhouse lawsuit. GW tried to claim a whole bunch of infringements, they lost most of their claims because of generic or pre-established naming, but won on items that had unique naming. So now everything has to have a unique name so 3rd party retailers can't make products of the same name.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 04:41:13


Post by: Dryaktylus


 Theophony wrote:
And Ghazghkull Mag Uruk thraka= Margaret thatcher(if your jaw is broken)


Andy Chambers (the creator) denied it (in an interview - don't have the link).

 Theophony wrote:
Vulcan hes'tan = Vulcan he's tan (because you know the salamanders aren't black , it's just a radioactive tan )


You think? Why not Charlton Heston - he was Marc Antony in Julius Caesar and... um... Ben Hur in Ben Hur and there are artefacts called Kesare's Mantle and Obsidian Chariot (it's just speculation, too). I think "he is tan" is quite far-fetched.


 Theophony wrote:
There's dozens of names that are all jokes ( look at old lizardman hero names)


The Slann/Lizardmen names were... special. Thanxalotl for nothing...


Btw: the German 'translation' of Mon-Keigh was Chem-Pan-Sey.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 05:50:50


Post by: Fafnir


 Dryaktylus wrote:
 Theophony wrote:
And Ghazghkull Mag Uruk thraka= Margaret thatcher(if your jaw is broken)


Andy Chambers (the creator) denied it (in an interview - don't have the link).


For what that one's worth, I can see why he'd want to officially deny it, even if it was the intent.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 06:01:54


Post by: Joyboozer


 Fafnir wrote:
 Dryaktylus wrote:
 Theophony wrote:
And Ghazghkull Mag Uruk thraka= Margaret thatcher(if your jaw is broken)


Andy Chambers (the creator) denied it (in an interview - don't have the link).


For what that one's worth, I can see why he'd want to officially deny it, even if it was the intent.

I'd have to go digging, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't him that said it, it was an editors comment in white dwarf a very long time ago. While the army was his created using the ork books, and he rolled up the characters and did the conversions, I'm pretty sure he did not say the origin of the name.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 06:09:34


Post by: Vain


 Dryaktylus wrote:


Btw: the German 'translation' of Mon-Keigh was Chem-Pan-Sey.


I was going to bring up the "Mon-Keigh" = Monkey reference if no one else was, but I am glad that the joke could be translated in the German version.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 06:41:02


Post by: nudibranch


 Alpharius wrote:
So the Xenos terms for Humanity just happen to sound like Monkey and Gorilla and that's...funny?

OK.

I mean, I'm all for funny stuff that's, you know, actually funny!


Honestly, I don't disagree with you, I think I was just feeling kinda grumpy yesterday as a result of being loaded with the cold...


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 09:23:24


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


 Alpharius wrote:
So the Xenos terms for Humanity just happen to sound like Monkey and Gorilla and that's...funny?

OK.

I mean, I'm all for funny stuff that's, you know, actually funny!


And here I was thinking that gue'la is a bastardisation of guai lo, which is the derogatory cantonese term for white people.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 10:15:41


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Greyfax...and Inquisitor possibly mind controlled by Trazyn whenever he wants....

Grey....a shade.

Fax....a method of communication.

Black....a shade

Mail.....a method of communication.

There's puns all over the shop.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 10:16:51


Post by: changemod


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Greyfax...and Inquisitor possibly mind controlled by Trazyn whenever he wants....

Grey....a shade.

Fax....a method of communication.

Black....a shade

Mail.....a method of communication.

There's puns all over the shop.


She's a Gandalf reference.

Gandalf the Grey, and his horse Shadowfax.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 11:04:37


Post by: Rayvon


I think using some of these names worked out well for GW, just look at all the different people with their different theories relating to the meanings.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 11:05:45


Post by: DarkStarSabre


changemod wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Greyfax...and Inquisitor possibly mind controlled by Trazyn whenever he wants....

Grey....a shade.

Fax....a method of communication.

Black....a shade

Mail.....a method of communication.

There's puns all over the shop.


She's a Gandalf reference.

Gandalf the Grey, and his horse Shadowfax.


but she looks nothing like Sarah Jessica Parker.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 13:06:54


Post by: Davor


Where is all this Mon-Keigh reference from? I know it's for monkey, but how does this apply to 40K?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 13:13:11


Post by: Kanluwen


Davor wrote:
Where is all this Mon-Keigh reference from? I know it's for monkey, but how does this apply to 40K?

It's the term Eldar use to describe humans.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 13:15:42


Post by: Crazyterran


I first heard monkeigh in dawn of war, but I'm sure is been used elsewhere.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 13:17:55


Post by: Davor


 Kanluwen wrote:
Davor wrote:
Where is all this Mon-Keigh reference from? I know it's for monkey, but how does this apply to 40K?

It's the term Eldar use to describe humans.


Really? I never knew that. Thank you very much.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 13:20:04


Post by: Lord Kragan


Davor wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Davor wrote:
Where is all this Mon-Keigh reference from? I know it's for monkey, but how does this apply to 40K?

It's the term Eldar use to describe humans.


Really? I never knew that. Thank you very much.


Yes, basically mon'keigh translate those that should be exterminated, more or less.

Charming isn't it?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 13:25:49


Post by: Elbows


Mon'keigh is old, very old, at least 2nd ed. (so, 1994), and that's assuming it wasn't from Rogue Trader.

The Ork term for Elves is "panzee", etc. Lots of silly old naming conventions.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 13:27:59


Post by: Imateria


 Red Corsair wrote:
 Mantle wrote:
So if the eldar trio is eldrad, the model that we can sort of see and I'm guessing a named iyanden farseer/spiritseer could it be that eldrad has tracked down the shard of ynnead(sp?) and needed the help of the iyanden seer to give the shard a physical form, it looks to me like that model has a ghost warrior style head with the point on the top being similar to a wraithknights but obviously infantry sized, maybe he has commorite armour parts because the shard fled to commoragh in the webway and they used what was on hand.
Just my own speculation obviously.


The helmet looks almost exactly like on of the kabalite warrior helmets from the infantry box. i think people are getting carried away with the theory crafting at this point. It's a neat idea though.

Yeah, I've been saying this exact same thing for weeks now, eventually people might get the hint.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 13:29:07


Post by: Kanluwen


Someone had asked a few days ago about the Empyric Storms table, did anyone answer that?

If not:
I really enjoy it. I've played a few small games with it, and it can really shift a game. If Null Tide(units cannot take Invulnerable Saves) comes into play, some big stuff can take a huge hit.

My personal favorite though is "Unreality Reigns". Until the start of your next turn, all dice rolls of 1 are counted as 6 and all dice rolls of 6 are counted as 1.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 13:29:45


Post by: Vash108


Speaking of silly names. Don't forget this guy.




The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 13:34:27


Post by: Elbows


Good ole' Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 14:43:38


Post by: EnTyme


Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
That's so fake it shouldn't have been posted here.

In fact, if it is real, I will eat a well done steak.


Disbelief is no excuse for Heresy.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 14:51:04


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


 Elbows wrote:
Good ole' Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau.


Never did apprehend Abdul Goldberg though, did he...


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 14:58:16


Post by: the_scotsman


All these silly names are probably because in the old days, the "Fluff for nutters" (remember, that's the origin of the term) was probably written by a bunch of giggling drunk people at a pub.

Read the original source material from which GW got their "Grim Dark" setting. All the classic dystopias of the 80s contained tons of black comedy, and the ridiculous over-the-topness of all of it was part of the joke. A Canticle for Liebowitz, 1984, Judge Dredd, Starship Troopers, all these books had an underlying understanding that when you make a setting as dark and gritty and depressing as it can possibly go, it's pretty silly.

It only seems odd when so much of the setting has been strangled into straight-faced submission by the need for everything to be "bad ass". The last time I read new content with a little levity in it out of GW was Trayzn's part in FoC and the Adeptus Mechanicus codexes. Arguably maybe in the Genestealer Cult codex they kept a little bit of silliness in how utterly doomed all the cults are, but it is funny to see Space Marine players figure out that it used to be that the Orks weren't always the sole comic relief in the setting.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 14:59:25


Post by: Alpharius


 Elbows wrote:
Mon'keigh is old, very old, at least 2nd ed. (so, 1994), and that's assuming it wasn't from Rogue Trader.

The Ork term for Elves is "panzee", etc. Lots of silly old naming conventions.


I don't think the term Mon'keigh is quite that old - certainly not 2nd edition or RT old...

I think it is more 4th edition timeframe?

Anyway, it is awful, and should be retired, double quick! Especially as GW is going about renaming stuff again!


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 15:17:33


Post by: Nevelon


 Alpharius wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
Mon'keigh is old, very old, at least 2nd ed. (so, 1994), and that's assuming it wasn't from Rogue Trader.

The Ork term for Elves is "panzee", etc. Lots of silly old naming conventions.


I don't think the term Mon'keigh is quite that old - certainly not 2nd edition or RT old...

I think it is more 4th edition timeframe?

Anyway, it is awful, and should be retired, double quick! Especially as GW is going about renaming stuff again!


I have my 3rd ed Eldar codex on hand, and it uses the term. So at least that old. I’d have to go back to the shelf to check 2nd ed.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 15:30:15


Post by: BrookM


Indeed:

"Any species deemed inferior; most often used for humans. Derived from legendary cannibalistic mishappen monstrosities that invaded and subjugated Eldar lands until they were cleansed from the galaxy by the hero Elronhir."

Source: Codex: Eldar (3rd Edition), pg. 49


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 15:35:53


Post by: Alpharius


So, not 2nd edition then?

I largely skipped 40K 3rd ("The Blandening") and only came back with 4th.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 15:46:01


Post by: Nostromodamus


3rd was the first time Mon-Keigh were mentioned, yes.

I don't really mind the term, personally.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 16:18:12


Post by: Lord Kragan


 BrookM wrote:
Indeed:

"Any species deemed inferior; most often used for humans. Derived from legendary cannibalistic mishappen monstrosities that invaded and subjugated Eldar lands until they were cleansed from the galaxy by the hero Elronhir."

Source: Codex: Eldar (3rd Edition), pg. 49


Just a question, did this eldar hero have a human son in law?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 16:24:26


Post by: Thunderfrog


Lord Kragan wrote:
 BrookM wrote:
Indeed:

"Any species deemed inferior; most often used for humans. Derived from legendary cannibalistic mishappen monstrosities that invaded and subjugated Eldar lands until they were cleansed from the galaxy by the hero Elronhir."

Source: Codex: Eldar (3rd Edition), pg. 49


Just a question, did this eldar hero have a human son in law?


Yes.

L.RonHubbard.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 16:55:21


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik




POW! From the rumour engine.

Looking like a Chaos bolt pistol to me.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 16:56:49


Post by: Kanluwen


Oh I really hope this means a plastic Cypher...the design has an integrated scope it looks like.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 16:57:28


Post by: Lord Kragan


Maybe it's a steamhead/freeguild one, though.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 16:57:48


Post by: Cephalobeard


The giant knife-tip looks silly, even for a 40k model.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 16:59:02


Post by: Carnikang


 Cephalobeard wrote:
The giant knife-tip looks silly, even for a 40k model.

It's a holster. For the gun. Straps can be seen on the top and bottom of the weapon.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 16:59:02


Post by: Kanluwen


Lord Kragan wrote:
Maybe it's a steamhead/freeguild one, though.

It's a bolt pistol.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 17:08:07


Post by: jreilly89


 Carnikang wrote:
 Cephalobeard wrote:
The giant knife-tip looks silly, even for a 40k model.

It's a holster. For the gun. Straps can be seen on the top and bottom of the weapon.


Nah, it's a knife-gun!


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 17:12:59


Post by: Cephalobeard


I couldn't tell on Grey Plastic it was a holster! It definitely looked like a HUGE Knife tip on a gun at first glance. Lol.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 17:23:32


Post by: Nostromodamus


I'm guessing Cypher has holstered his Bolt Pistol and drawn the Lion Sword...


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 17:28:20


Post by: pm713


 Nostromodamus wrote:
I'm guessing Cypher has holstered his Bolt Pistol and drawn the Lion Sword...

He can't actually use it according to the more recent lore.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 17:29:40


Post by: angelofvengeance


pm713 wrote:
 Nostromodamus wrote:
I'm guessing Cypher has holstered his Bolt Pistol and drawn the Lion Sword...

He can't actually use it according to the more recent lore.


Pretty much. There's some sort of unpleasant psychic backlash whenever people try to handle the Lion Sword.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 17:34:44


Post by: Galef


 angelofvengeance wrote:
Spoiler:
pm713 wrote:
 Nostromodamus wrote:
I'm guessing Cypher has holstered his Bolt Pistol and drawn the Lion Sword...

He can't actually use it according to the more recent lore.


Pretty much. There's some sort of unpleasant psychic backlash whenever people try to handle the Lion Sword.

Unless those people wielding it are named Cypher, of course, in which case he can pick that bad boy up Excalibur style

-


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 17:37:44


Post by: arvendragon


 Galef wrote:
 angelofvengeance wrote:
Spoiler:
pm713 wrote:
 Nostromodamus wrote:
I'm guessing Cypher has holstered his Bolt Pistol and drawn the Lion Sword...

He can't actually use it according to the more recent lore.


Pretty much. There's some sort of unpleasant psychic backlash whenever people try to handle the Lion Sword.

Unless those people wielding it are named Cypher, of course, in which case he can pick that bad boy up Excalibur style

-


The Lion Sword is also broken, last we saw it in I believe Angels of Caliban.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 17:39:20


Post by: angelofvengeance


 Galef wrote:
 angelofvengeance wrote:
Spoiler:
pm713 wrote:
 Nostromodamus wrote:
I'm guessing Cypher has holstered his Bolt Pistol and drawn the Lion Sword...

He can't actually use it according to the more recent lore.


Pretty much. There's some sort of unpleasant psychic backlash whenever people try to handle the Lion Sword.

Unless those people wielding it are named Cypher, of course, in which case he can pick that bad boy up Excalibur style

-


If you can give me an instance where he uses the Lion Sword, I'd appreciate it. From what I've seen though, he only uses his plasma pistol and bolt pistol.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 17:53:35


Post by: Galef


 angelofvengeance wrote:

If you can give me an instance where he uses the Lion Sword, I'd appreciate it. From what I've seen though, he only uses his plasma pistol and bolt pistol.

He hasn't yet, but there are hints that acquiring it is his goal. I am inferring that he may be able to wield it


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 17:59:27


Post by: pm713


 Galef wrote:
 angelofvengeance wrote:

If you can give me an instance where he uses the Lion Sword, I'd appreciate it. From what I've seen though, he only uses his plasma pistol and bolt pistol.

He hasn't yet, but there are hints that acquiring it is his goal. I am inferring that he may be able to wield it

He already has it. He doesn't use it and advises Asmodai not to touch it. Asmodai ignores him.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 18:08:58


Post by: Red Corsair


Well he did used to have a C'tan phase knife so maybe he holstered his bolt pistol in exchange for that.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 18:11:43


Post by: JustaerinAtTheWall


We're still on a metal Cypher, aren't we? I don't play DA so I wouldn't know. But the pointy bolt pistol holster kinda reminded me of a beak, so I thought of Tzeentch. But he's had his releases, and I don't think we're gonna get another IC for his forces. But all things considered, i'd love to see a new Cypher, i'd pick it up just to paint it!


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 18:24:42


Post by: Lockark


 Cephalobeard wrote:
I couldn't tell on Grey Plastic it was a holster! It definitely looked like a HUGE Knife tip on a gun at first glance. Lol.


Don't worry I thought the same thing for a sec. lol


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 18:33:21


Post by: Uriels_Flame


Insert "that's not a knife" jokes here.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 18:36:34


Post by: Crazyterran


that looks pretty chaos-y to me.

Maybe a new Chosen/CSM kit?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 18:41:59


Post by: Azreal13


 Alpharius wrote:
So, not 2nd edition then?

I largely skipped 40K 3rd ("The Blandening") and only came back with 4th.


Pretty sure it was 2nd, I remember an old friend and my main 40K opponent at the time using it and he'd moved away and joined the army well before 3rd, and we've not played each other since.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Crazyterran wrote:
that looks pretty chaos-y to me.

Maybe a new Chosen/CSM kit?


The hanging bolt shell links rather than a magazine is either Chaos or Orks, unless it's some other Heresy-era throwback like a Cypher or similar (who isn't overtly chaotic in his imagery.)


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 18:50:12


Post by: pm713


Space Wolves have some dangling bolt shells in the Terminator kit.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 19:03:12


Post by: Alpharius


 Azreal13 wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
So, not 2nd edition then?

I largely skipped 40K 3rd ("The Blandening") and only came back with 4th.


Pretty sure it was 2nd, I remember an old friend and my main 40K opponent at the time using it and he'd moved away and joined the army well before 3rd, and we've not played each other since.


I'd bet money it was a 3rd Edition thing.

Now, I'm not a gambler, so, take that for what it is worth!

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
that looks pretty chaos-y to me.

Maybe a new Chosen/CSM kit?


The hanging bolt shell links rather than a magazine is either Chaos or Orks, unless it's some other Heresy-era throwback like a Cypher or similar (who isn't overtly chaotic in his imagery.)


Are CSM's getting a new kit, or will this just be a "Cypher Thing"?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 19:03:30


Post by: unmercifulconker


40k FB uploaded:


The payment at the end points toward the Eldar release being Craftworld, Dark and Hareliquins, so maybe no Corsair/Exodite?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 19:03:45


Post by: BrotherGecko


It appears it might be a hammer fire, revolver bolt pistol. Which I hope not because between the belt hanging at an angle not possible for a hip holster, you can't have a open bolt hammer fire belt fed revolver.

So I call hand waivium inquisition bolt pistol thingy or its Cypher and some scuplter thought it would be totes cool to make him "western".


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 19:27:06


Post by: Brother SRM


It looks like it's stylized after the Heresy/Rogue Trader missile launchers, with the "bird beak" muzzle, and we're looking at the flat side of it.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 19:28:08


Post by: rollawaythestone


"Payment in soulstone gems, captured slaves or jokes" is pretty suggestive of the next Eldar triumvirate being aDark, Craftworld, and Harlequin combo.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 19:29:36


Post by: pm713


 rollawaythestone wrote:
"Payment in soulstone gems, captured slaves or jokes" is pretty suggestive of the next Eldar triumvirate being aDark, Craftworld, and Harlequin combo.

I can still dream of Corsairs. They take slaves too.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 19:32:10


Post by: Lord Kragan


Okay, I think the purple cloak of the rumor engine is a farseer's, just look at the color scheme next to the gyrinx.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 19:33:07


Post by: Imateria


"Answers to Gyrinx (when it feels like it)"

Definitely a cat.

And I always felt that Corsairs and Exodites were the rankest of rank outsiders for their chances of being involved in this.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 19:34:02


Post by: BrotherGecko


 Brother SRM wrote:
It looks like it's stylized after the Heresy/Rogue Trader missile launchers, with the "bird beak" muzzle, and we're looking at the flat side of it.


That is the holster. The barrel would be thinner to get that kind of holster shape, not like GW actually cares about "realism". If anything it reinforces what I think is supposed to be a six shooter bolt pistol.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 19:41:08


Post by: the_scotsman


There is some kind of overlay on that image.... Anyone got their hands on photoshop?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 19:48:37


Post by: VictorVonTzeentch


 BrotherGecko wrote:
 Brother SRM wrote:
It looks like it's stylized after the Heresy/Rogue Trader missile launchers, with the "bird beak" muzzle, and we're looking at the flat side of it.


That is the holster. The barrel would be thinner to get that kind of holster shape, not like GW actually cares about "realism". If anything it reinforces what I think is supposed to be a six shooter bolt pistol.


Why would a Revolver have a Ammo Belt, and no visible cylinder?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 19:50:51


Post by: bubber


I was thinking that the pistol grip looks Eldary, not Chaosy.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 19:52:24


Post by: Galef


 bubber wrote:
I was thinking that the pistol grip looks Eldary, not Chaosy.

I was thinking the same. Were similar to a Splinter pistol. But the rest of it is too Imperial-looking


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 19:55:00


Post by: Kanluwen


 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
 BrotherGecko wrote:
 Brother SRM wrote:
It looks like it's stylized after the Heresy/Rogue Trader missile launchers, with the "bird beak" muzzle, and we're looking at the flat side of it.


That is the holster. The barrel would be thinner to get that kind of holster shape, not like GW actually cares about "realism". If anything it reinforces what I think is supposed to be a six shooter bolt pistol.


Why would a Revolver have a Ammo Belt, and no visible cylinder?

If you look right above where the ammo belt is, there seems to be a cylinder.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 20:05:02


Post by: Nostromodamus


Maybe the "hammer" on the back switches the feed from cylinder to belt and vice versa?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 20:08:02


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 bubber wrote:
I was thinking that the pistol grip looks Eldary, not Chaosy.


Nah, definitely an Imperial equivalent.

The ammo hanging loose definitely suggests Chaos over Loyalist. And given it has an ammo belt, I doubt it's a six shooter.

Instead, I think it could be a combi-pistol of some kind. The ejection port seems low for most bolt pistols we've seen, compare to the following pic, a Tigris pattern bolt pistol from Forgeworld's MkIV Power a Weapon Set.

The ejection port is near identical - but seems lower down (could be the holster and ammo belt playing tricks on my eyes!). But there's much more up top.

Now the likely suspect is of course a scope or sight of some kind, but the shape, and the hammer which I feel is likely to be a shot selector (Bolters not having a firing pin) would support it being a combi-pistol.

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The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 20:08:59


Post by: VictorVonTzeentch


 Kanluwen wrote:
 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
 BrotherGecko wrote:
 Brother SRM wrote:
It looks like it's stylized after the Heresy/Rogue Trader missile launchers, with the "bird beak" muzzle, and we're looking at the flat side of it.


That is the holster. The barrel would be thinner to get that kind of holster shape, not like GW actually cares about "realism". If anything it reinforces what I think is supposed to be a six shooter bolt pistol.


Why would a Revolver have a Ammo Belt, and no visible cylinder?

If you look right above where the ammo belt is, there seems to be a cylinder.


Yeah, Im not seeing it looking like a cylinder, looks to me more like the extra metal plate like the Chaos Plasma Pistol has.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 20:11:23


Post by: Nostromodamus


Maybe Cypher merged his pistols and is wielding something else, like the Lion Sword...


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 20:13:49


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Bit on top?

Just sayin'....


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The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 20:15:13


Post by: Kanluwen


 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
 BrotherGecko wrote:
 Brother SRM wrote:
It looks like it's stylized after the Heresy/Rogue Trader missile launchers, with the "bird beak" muzzle, and we're looking at the flat side of it.


That is the holster. The barrel would be thinner to get that kind of holster shape, not like GW actually cares about "realism". If anything it reinforces what I think is supposed to be a six shooter bolt pistol.


Why would a Revolver have a Ammo Belt, and no visible cylinder?

If you look right above where the ammo belt is, there seems to be a cylinder.


Yeah, Im not seeing it looking like a cylinder, looks to me more like the extra metal plate like the Chaos Plasma Pistol has.

Look again.
You have the ammo feed and ejection port, then right above that is what looks like it might be the cylinder for a 'revolver'.

Silly as it might sound, I'm sticking with it being related to Cypher. He makes an appearance in "Fall of Cadia", and I would not be surprised to see him getting Special Issue Ammunition.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 20:19:33


Post by: VictorVonTzeentch


 Kanluwen wrote:
 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
 BrotherGecko wrote:
 Brother SRM wrote:
It looks like it's stylized after the Heresy/Rogue Trader missile launchers, with the "bird beak" muzzle, and we're looking at the flat side of it.


That is the holster. The barrel would be thinner to get that kind of holster shape, not like GW actually cares about "realism". If anything it reinforces what I think is supposed to be a six shooter bolt pistol.


Why would a Revolver have a Ammo Belt, and no visible cylinder?

If you look right above where the ammo belt is, there seems to be a cylinder.


Yeah, Im not seeing it looking like a cylinder, looks to me more like the extra metal plate like the Chaos Plasma Pistol has.

Look again.
You have the ammo feed and ejection port, then right above that is what looks like it might be the cylinder for a 'revolver'.

Silly as it might sound, I'm sticking with it being related to Cypher. He makes an appearance in "Fall of Cadia", and I would not be surprised to see him getting Special Issue Ammunition.



No I see what you are talking about, it just (as someone who owns revolvers) looks nothing like a revolver cylinder to me.

A new Cypher would be great.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 20:28:29


Post by: Nevelon


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Bit on top?

Just sayin'....



Combi-grav pistol would make for some pretty awesome gunslinging.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 20:39:02


Post by: Inquisitor Kallus


 Nevelon wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Bit on top?

Just sayin'....



Combi-grav pistol would make for some pretty awesome gunslinging.


I hope not, grav everywhere sucks. It was supposed to be pretty rare (2nd ed wargear card), and is a massive crutch that people use in their marine armies


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 20:39:32


Post by: Albino Squirrel


Maybe it is from a kit, rather than a special character. Unless removed a lot from the picture, that seems like a strange bit for a plastic character. Seems much more like an extra bit in a kit. I especially think it would be odd to sculpt the holster like that, if there weren't also going to be bits that showed the same kind of pistol unholstered and with a bayonet attached, so the shape of the holster would make some kind of sense.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 20:51:24


Post by: JustaerinAtTheWall


Inquisitor Kallus wrote:
 Nevelon wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Bit on top?

Just sayin'....



Combi-grav pistol would make for some pretty awesome gunslinging.


I hope not, grav everywhere sucks. It was supposed to be pretty rare (2nd ed wargear card), and is a massive crutch that people use in their marine armies


I don't think it'll be a combi-grav pistol, doesn't seem like something GW would do. And in response to your complaints about the gameplay, fluff-wise, you're right. Maybe limit the armies to one or 2 grav-guns MAX.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 20:53:23


Post by: Kanluwen


 JustaerinAtTheWall wrote:
Inquisitor Kallus wrote:
 Nevelon wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Bit on top?

Just sayin'....



Combi-grav pistol would make for some pretty awesome gunslinging.


I hope not, grav everywhere sucks. It was supposed to be pretty rare (2nd ed wargear card), and is a massive crutch that people use in their marine armies


I don't think it'll be a combi-grav pistol, doesn't seem like something GW would do. And in response to your complaints about the gameplay, fluff-wise, you're right. Maybe limit the armies to one or 2 grav-guns MAX.

Oh, so Wraithknights are going to become one for every 2500 points? Characters one per fifty troop models?

Nope. Those kinds of requirements were wildly arbitrary.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 21:32:35


Post by: angelofvengeance


 JustaerinAtTheWall wrote:


I don't think it'll be a combi-grav pistol, doesn't seem like something GW would do. And in response to your complaints about the gameplay, fluff-wise, you're right. Maybe limit the armies to one or 2 grav-guns MAX.


Really? This is the same company that brought us a heavy bolter/heavy flamer combi-weapon in their Deathwatch release. Plus, the eversor assassin has a combi needler pistol.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 21:38:00


Post by: casvalremdeikun


 JustaerinAtTheWall wrote:
Inquisitor Kallus wrote:
 Nevelon wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Bit on top?

Just sayin'....



Combi-grav pistol would make for some pretty awesome gunslinging.


I hope not, grav everywhere sucks. It was supposed to be pretty rare (2nd ed wargear card), and is a massive crutch that people use in their marine armies


I don't think it'll be a combi-grav pistol, doesn't seem like something GW would do. And in response to your complaints about the gameplay, fluff-wise, you're right. Maybe limit the armies to one or 2 grav-guns MAX.
I am sure Tau players are going to be pissed about Riptides being made one per army and having their price tripled.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 21:39:58


Post by: Thommy H


It would be unusual for GW to sculpt a new or unusual weapon and have it holstered. A holstered weapon is usually something innocuous like a bolt pistol or laspistol.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 21:53:51


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


True. Unless it's an example for a unit's side arms?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Now...angle of the hang? Strap and ammo belt, plus a 'muzzle only' holster?

I'm thinking bikers.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 22:09:46


Post by: Lockark


Here is a crazy guess since it looks like some kind of combi-bolt pistol. A combi sonic bolt pistol for new plastic noise marines. When ever GW updates a infantry kit they add new weapon options to incentavise people to buy the new kits.

It could explain the crazy shape of the holster.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 22:13:08


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


That's possible - but would also fit the aesthetic of the Heresy Bikers...


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 22:28:28


Post by: Kanluwen


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
True. Unless it's an example for a unit's side arms?


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Now...angle of the hang? Strap and ammo belt, plus a 'muzzle only' holster?

I'm thinking bikers.

Honestly, it just makes me think of stylized gunslingers...

Or possibly a gunslinger in a dynamic pose, with the holster open for a draw.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 22:39:16


Post by: Skerr


 Kanluwen wrote:
 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
 BrotherGecko wrote:
 Brother SRM wrote:
It looks like it's stylized after the Heresy/Rogue Trader missile launchers, with the "bird beak" muzzle, and we're looking at the flat side of it.


That is the holster. The barrel would be thinner to get that kind of holster shape, not like GW actually cares about "realism". If anything it reinforces what I think is supposed to be a six shooter bolt pistol.


Why would a Revolver have a Ammo Belt, and no visible cylinder?

If you look right above where the ammo belt is, there seems to be a cylinder.


Maybe it is alien design and not manufactured by Colt.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 23:11:11


Post by: Lockark


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
True. Unless it's an example for a unit's side arms?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Now...angle of the hang? Strap and ammo belt, plus a 'muzzle only' holster?

I'm thinking bikers.

Honestly, it just makes me think of stylized gunslingers...

Or possibly a gunslinger in a dynamic pose, with the holster open for a draw.


Some sort of unit of chaos gunslingers in dynamic poses would be cool.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 23:23:45


Post by: NivlacSupreme


Codex: The Fallen?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 23:25:37


Post by: DarkStarSabre


NivlacSupreme wrote:
Codex: The Fallen?


Or at least Cypher and the Fallen formation getting into print format - GW have already shown they're quite eager to move away from the digital only dataslate approach with IA and how they incorporated some of formations into the 7th ed. version of Crimson Slaughter.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 23:34:51


Post by: BrotherGecko


 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
 BrotherGecko wrote:
 Brother SRM wrote:
It looks like it's stylized after the Heresy/Rogue Trader missile launchers, with the "bird beak" muzzle, and we're looking at the flat side of it.


That is the holster. The barrel would be thinner to get that kind of holster shape, not like GW actually cares about "realism". If anything it reinforces what I think is supposed to be a six shooter bolt pistol.


Why would a Revolver have a Ammo Belt, and no visible cylinder?

If you look right above where the ammo belt is, there seems to be a cylinder.


Yeah, Im not seeing it looking like a cylinder, looks to me more like the extra metal plate like the Chaos Plasma Pistol has.

Look again.
You have the ammo feed and ejection port, then right above that is what looks like it might be the cylinder for a 'revolver'.

Silly as it might sound, I'm sticking with it being related to Cypher. He makes an appearance in "Fall of Cadia", and I would not be surprised to see him getting Special Issue Ammunition.



No I see what you are talking about, it just (as someone who owns revolvers) looks nothing like a revolver cylinder to me.

A new Cypher would be great.


Now that you have established you own firearms (I own 2 revolvers) you should be well aware that GW doesn't design functioning firearms. So sticking a cylinder on a bolter would be GW for revolver, doesn't have to look like a real life revolver.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/18 23:40:40


Post by: krazynadechukr


 reds8n wrote:
 VeteranNoob wrote:
Oh, my bad. It seemed glued in so I didn't think to wedge it out



That's the chap.

So looks part 1 of 4 -- unless the other boxes are a different size of course.

Gonna assume one set will be Eldar --:

the Farseer/whomever with the Gyrinx mini

The figure in the odd mix of eldar armour -- who I think is Yriel -- IIRC he is something of a "half blood" having both craftworld & dark eldar parents.

and a 3rd figure ..? A full darkeldar mini would make sense -- 1 craftworlder, 1 dark eldar 1 who "walks the path of both worlds" or what have you.

is the plastic eldrad available yet ? be him if not -- he's mentioned in the new book.


..or , of course, just some cool art to stick on the box.


But one wonders if the assembled image could then be seen as a countdown to 8th edition ?

Or something.




So, I have not seen anyone make the connection yet. In sixth edition they had this same clock, and the hand was resting two boxes back. Now it is ahead by two. 6xth edition +2 = 8th Edition confirmed....Half life 3 confirmed.....ILLUMINATI!


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/20 15:08:12


Post by: angelofvengeance




Just a word of warning folks, there's some stuff from other codexes that's inadvertently ended up where it shouldn't be, like AM stuff on the end of the Blood Angels document etc. GW are aware and fixing it.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/20 15:13:34


Post by: General Kroll




Flicker jump limited to once per turn!!!!!


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/20 15:35:39


Post by: krazynadechukr


 Lockark wrote:
Here is a crazy guess since it looks like some kind of combi-bolt pistol. A combi sonic bolt pistol for new plastic noise marines. When ever GW updates a infantry kit they add new weapon options to incentavise people to buy the new kits.

It could explain the crazy shape of the holster.
Ninja'd! I was thinking the same thing!


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/20 15:37:31


Post by: War Kitten


Any good rulings for the Guard?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/20 15:38:05


Post by: Kanluwen


 War Kitten wrote:
Any good rulings for the Guard?

Hahahahaha.

No.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/20 18:12:00


Post by: timetowaste85


So this new FAQ specifies that all psykers and brotherhood of psykers auto know the malefic chart. AFTER the Magnus FAQ (which isn't in the official group on that link). Does this replace the ruling? Cuz the most recent FAQ grants it back. Near as I can tell...this FAQ lets pinkies know the spell again.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/20 18:37:09


Post by: VictorVonTzeentch


 BrotherGecko wrote:
 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
 BrotherGecko wrote:
 Brother SRM wrote:
It looks like it's stylized after the Heresy/Rogue Trader missile launchers, with the "bird beak" muzzle, and we're looking at the flat side of it.


That is the holster. The barrel would be thinner to get that kind of holster shape, not like GW actually cares about "realism". If anything it reinforces what I think is supposed to be a six shooter bolt pistol.


Why would a Revolver have a Ammo Belt, and no visible cylinder?

If you look right above where the ammo belt is, there seems to be a cylinder.


Yeah, Im not seeing it looking like a cylinder, looks to me more like the extra metal plate like the Chaos Plasma Pistol has.

Look again.
You have the ammo feed and ejection port, then right above that is what looks like it might be the cylinder for a 'revolver'.

Silly as it might sound, I'm sticking with it being related to Cypher. He makes an appearance in "Fall of Cadia", and I would not be surprised to see him getting Special Issue Ammunition.



No I see what you are talking about, it just (as someone who owns revolvers) looks nothing like a revolver cylinder to me.

A new Cypher would be great.


Now that you have established you own firearms (I own 2 revolvers) you should be well aware that GW doesn't design functioning firearms. So sticking a cylinder on a bolter would be GW for revolver, doesn't have to look like a real life revolver.


Yes, but some of their nonsense designs still make a smattering of sense. And a cylnder on a Boltgun could be neat, but combined with the belt it doest work for me, if it was an Autocannon then it would work. Anyway im just saying it doesnt look to me like its function is a cylinder.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/20 18:43:09


Post by: warboss


 timetowaste85 wrote:
So this new FAQ specifies that all psykers and brotherhood of psykers auto know the malefic chart. AFTER the Magnus FAQ (which isn't in the official group on that link). Does this replace the ruling? Cuz the most recent FAQ grants it back. Near as I can tell...this FAQ lets pinkies know the spell again.


You should probably ask detailed FAQ questions like that in the FAQ specific thread or YMDC instead of potentially derailing the general GW news and White Dwarf thread.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/22 21:52:54


Post by: loki old fart


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The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/22 21:57:01


Post by: Future War Cultist


God dam GW is a roll with the models lately.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/22 22:08:39


Post by: nicromancer


NivlacSupreme wrote:
Codex: The Fallen?


I have a theory that 8th ed will down size the game or make it at least a lot more scaleable than it currently is, hence the release of genestealer cults and deathwatch as independent factions despite them both being small on a galactic scale.
If my theory is true (I'm basing at on nothing but the release of smaller factions.) then codex fallen or codex non chaotic traitor marines would be an awesome thing to add in to the game.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/22 22:09:37


Post by: Ghaz



You do realize there's already a 22 page thread on the subject?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/22 22:15:14


Post by: loki old fart


 Ghaz wrote:

You do realize there's already a 22 page thread on the subject?


Strange there's already a 105 page thread on the subject, this one.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/22 22:24:41


Post by: Alpharius


It doesn't really look like a general GW news and rumors thread works well at all.

I think this one doesn't have much time left...


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/22 23:07:35


Post by: Lord Kragan


 Alpharius wrote:
It doesn't really look like a general GW news and rumors thread works well at all.

I think this one doesn't have much time left...


In all honesty, activity has switched to the other thread for the most part, seeing it's the more up-to-date one and a specifc thread on the matter at hand... so this thread indeed has very little use for the time being.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/22 23:38:11


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


 nicromancer wrote:
NivlacSupreme wrote:
Codex: The Fallen?


I have a theory that 8th ed will down size the game or make it at least a lot more scaleable than it currently is, hence the release of genestealer cults and deathwatch as independent factions despite them both being small on a galactic scale.
If my theory is true (I'm basing at on nothing but the release of smaller factions.) then codex fallen or codex non chaotic traitor marines would be an awesome thing to add in to the game.


If it means that the game goes back to infantry with some vehicle support like in 4th, as opposed to super weapons everywhere, I'm down with that.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/22 23:50:05


Post by: loki old fart


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 nicromancer wrote:
NivlacSupreme wrote:
Codex: The Fallen?


I have a theory that 8th ed will down size the game or make it at least a lot more scaleable than it currently is, hence the release of genestealer cults and deathwatch as independent factions despite them both being small on a galactic scale.
If my theory is true (I'm basing at on nothing but the release of smaller factions.) then codex fallen or codex non chaotic traitor marines would be an awesome thing to add in to the game.


If it means that the game goes back to infantry with some vehicle support like in 4th, as opposed to super weapons everywhere, I'm down with that.

I can't see that happening. They still want to sell those large kits


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/23 00:19:54


Post by: Fafnir


 loki old fart wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 nicromancer wrote:
NivlacSupreme wrote:
Codex: The Fallen?


I have a theory that 8th ed will down size the game or make it at least a lot more scaleable than it currently is, hence the release of genestealer cults and deathwatch as independent factions despite them both being small on a galactic scale.
If my theory is true (I'm basing at on nothing but the release of smaller factions.) then codex fallen or codex non chaotic traitor marines would be an awesome thing to add in to the game.


If it means that the game goes back to infantry with some vehicle support like in 4th, as opposed to super weapons everywhere, I'm down with that.

I can't see that happening. They still want to sell those large kits


It could give them an excuse to bring Apocalypse back as a separate style of game. I for one would love to see superheavies and flyers removed from the main game.

As for the new Eldar models, I think the designs are pretty cool, but the poses feel a bit static to me.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/24 11:20:09


Post by: Lord Kragan


I'm not sure wether this has been mentioned or not but:

Daemons of tzeentch are getting a start collecting, it will consist of: a chariot, 3 flamers, 3 screamers, ten horrors and an herald. This comes from an image caption my LGS-owner has sent to our Whatsapp group, so I guess it's a solid reliability.

LoC will cost the same as bloodthirster kit. Blue horros will be 25 euros per ten models. The rest we know.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/24 11:36:45


Post by: Warhams-77


Thanks, Lord Kragan


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/24 11:44:54


Post by: tneva82


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
If it means that the game goes back to infantry with some vehicle support like in 4th, as opposed to super weapons everywhere, I'm down with that.


Nah. Whatever happens is that existing big models are standard to use. If anything looking at AOS game is just MORE likely to go to "big guys battle".

They aren't going to hamper their SH sales by removing them from standard game.


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 Fafnir wrote:
It could give them an excuse to bring Apocalypse back as a separate style of game. I for one would love to see superheavies and flyers removed from the main game.

As for the new Eldar models, I think the designs are pretty cool, but the poses feel a bit static to me.


Which is precisely the point. Separate book=models would see less use on standard games=less incentive to buy=GW sells less SH models.

How popular apoc games were anyway? I would not be buying expensive 100€+ models if I can legally even field them like less than handful times per year and that's about the number of apoc games I could attend...


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/24 15:31:06


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Lord Kragan wrote:
Daemons of tzeentch are getting a start collecting, it will consist of: a chariot, 3 flamers, 3 screamers, ten horrors and an herald.


I was worried it would have a Chariot in it.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/24 15:46:13


Post by: Thunderfrog


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
Daemons of tzeentch are getting a start collecting, it will consist of: a chariot, 3 flamers, 3 screamers, ten horrors and an herald.


I was worried it would have a Chariot in it.


I guess they're going to be pretty popular with Magnus, since he can summon them to do all kinds of nasty.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/24 15:55:38


Post by: Alpharius


I don't think a general mish-mash GW catch all thread is working out too well - I guess specific really does beat general in the end!