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**WrentheFaceless**

Vash108 wrote:
That warlord is HUGE. What $1200?

1250 ish pounds. So about $2000 american

**BrookM**

Looks like Ultramarines will be the allies of my Solar Auxilia, I am liking their Legion specific rules a lot.

Also, them titan rules!

**Lockark**

From the table of contents it doesn't look like our 30k knights will be getting the new options.

=C

I'm still disapointed no one has taken the time to look at/comment on the new milita list yet. This has been one of my biggest wish-lists for 30k gameing for some time.

**Ratius**

Also some significant changes for Titans
All patterns:
- never blocked in assault
- immune to haywire, dangerous terrain, psychic attacks other than whichfire
Reaver and Warlord:
- can only be hit on 6 during assault by infantry and monstrous creatures and 5-6 by sup-heavy walkers
Warlord only:
- stomp attack with 5'' blast

Only hit on a 6 by MCs? Sure some MCs are a bit "weedy" (since there is such a wide range of them) but are they seriously thinking a Tryannofex, Swarmlord or DK cant scratch a Reaver? Hmmm, dont agree with that at all.
Immune to haywire completely? At least make it a 6 to glance.
And never blocked should only be VS X or less models. Full Greentide cant lock down a Reaver? Warlord maybe but.....

Pass that salt shaker lads.

**Azreal13**

Put it this way, a Mini would flatten you if you stepped in front of one, how well would the same Mini fair against an Artic?

**Ratius**

A mini isnt going to mow down 50 of me though, basic momentum VS immovable kicks in

And Nid MCs are meant to be the pinnacle of killing evolution, they should have a half decent chance VS Titans.....

**STC_LogisEngine**

You do realise that a carnifex barely clears the ankle of the Warlord right? wading through a couple of hundred of them for the warlord would be like a Contemptor wading through a sea of snotlings.

**Azreal13**

Ratius wrote:
A mini isnt going to mow down 50 of me though, basic momentum VS immovable kicks in

But 50 of you =\= a massive lorry in a variety of ways. I'd still bet, moving sufficiently quickly, one small car could make a mess of a group of 50 people, even if it couldn't kill them all outright.

And Nid MCs are meant to be the pinnacle of killing evolution, they should have a half decent chance VS Titans.....

They're the pinnacles of evolution for killing a specific target. If Carnifexes could kill Titans then we wouldn't have Tyranid Titans.

**Vaktathi**

The pics of the Warlord and the Chaos Knights are awesome.

Not sure if this has been asked before, but any mention of a Chaos Warlord?

zedmeister wrote:
via Killerbee, heresy 30k

Also some significant changes for Titans
All patterns:
- never blocked in assault
- immune to haywire, dangerous terrain, psychic attacks other than whichfire
Reaver and Warlord:
- can only be hit on 6 during assault by infantry and monstrous creatures and 5-6 by sup-heavy walkers
Warlord only:
- stomp attack with 5'' blast

These all sound pretty fitting and better fitting from a realism perspective. Not necessarily sure about balance, though if we're talking balance and Titans that's probably already out the window.

Ratius wrote:

Only hit on a 6 by MCs? Sure some MCs are a bit "weedy" (since there is such a wide range of them) but are they seriously thinking a Tryannofex, Swarmlord or DK cant scratch a Reaver? Hmmm, dont agree with that at all.

I don't think it's so much a strength issue, but they really aren't tall enough to do anything but whack at the ankles, *maybe* the knees with some impressive jumping skills. Trying to hit anything relevant rather than slamming away at the thick armor plating or trying to tear toes off would be the real issue.

And never blocked should only be VS X or less models. Full Greentide cant lock down a Reaver? Warlord maybe but.....

Eh, there might be a lot of them, but they're still only ankle high at best

I mean, even with a small Warhound, infantry aren't going to be big enough, no matter how many, to really lock down a Titan's movement, they'd just end up being squished.

FW has a great pic here with the Warhound and some Chaos Space Marines, and they just aren't big enough to prevent the Warhound moving no matter how many there are.

**gorgon**

Tannhauser42 wrote:
Airbrush paints not in dropper bottles is annoying. BUT, is it just me, or are those Coat D'Arms paint bottles they're in?

I am loving the scenic base Guilliman is on. The one picture I've seen so far seems to be suffering from "bad-picture-angle" syndrome, as something about his proportions doesn't look right to me.

Yeah, I suspect that the model will look much better in person. A 2D pic of a 2D pic held at an angle will distort.

I'm interested to learn more about the airbrush paints.

**Valkyrie**

Considering the enormous expense of the Warlord I'm surprised FW hasn't split it up to make it easier to afford. I could barely afford my Reaver even when it was divided into body + weapons, doubt that many people are going to be able to splash out for one unless they split it into something like legs + body left + body right + arms + carapace weapons or something along those lines.

**zedmeister**

Spot the Carapace Multilasers:

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**Predaking**

That new ad mech tank just makes me thinks they've fought Godzilla a few times

**Ashiraya**

I wonder what rules the Titan's main guns will have. We already have D on infantry guns, so what's this? Strength E?

**WrentheFaceless**

So someone posted this in a fb group

**Peregrine**

Ashiraya wrote:
I wonder what rules the Titan's main guns will have. We already have D on infantry guns, so what's this? Strength E?

Strength $. When you fire a weapon with strength $ you may destroy (by shredding, burning, etc) any number of $20 bills (or the equivalent in your country's currency). The strength $ automatically inflicts that many wounds or penetrating hits on the target unit, with no saves or defensive abilities of any kind allowed. Which is really kind of terrifying given the budget of the people who are going to buy a Warlord...

**Tannhauser42**

I'm very happy that my earlier concern about titans being tarpitted by guardsmen have been allayed. Very curious about what the Ordinatus can do.

As for the Warlord's guns, I expect they'll be a mix of more shots, bigger templates, and possibly bonuses on the destroyer table

**Valkyrie**

WrentheFaceless wrote:

So someone posted this in a fb group

Do we know if Warhounds and Reavers have a similar set of rules?

**Bobthehero**

See a few page before, they have some, but not all of them.

**aka_mythos**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

I need these so very, very badly... I owned that terminator, so many years ago, I loved that mini so much. A unit of M&M termies would be the best, the very best.

They better make minis of this. I made my own some time ago but that just rocks.

**Alpharius**

Agreed!

It's just about the only thing that would get me to start an army of 'regular scale' marines!

**zedmeister**

also from Garro of Heresy30K

regarding the Damocles Command Rhino:

any legion can take one as a non-complusory HQ choice in games of over 1k. Ultramarines may also take a second one as a dedicated transport for a master of signals
damocles has its own orbital bombardment, which is TL, and has lance
it also gives a 24" bubble in which friendly units don't scatter when deep striking, also confers you the choice to +1 or -1 from your reserve rolls, enemy models suffer a -1 on the deep strike mishap table if the damocles is anywhere on the board.

regarding the Militia List and some fluff questions:

the legio suturvora are listed as WB allied titan legion and have no linked Knight houses, their scheme is gold trim, black panels with orange flames on all panels (like a reverse tiger eyes but dark orange instead of yellow)
no new rite of war for WB
thunderbolt and heavy ordnance artillery are in, as are rapiers
regular malcador is in (valdor and infernus out), leman russes are all in Heavy support but loss the volkite and plasma turrets, can take heavy bolters or heavy flamer sponsons

via Penddraig, regarding the Cult Army List:

I asked AB about this and he said it was certainly a possibility as this list is there to represent the "typical" Imperial Army forces as opposed to the more elite Solar Auxilia. By using this list, you are able to create everything from black powder musket wielding hordes of 50 man units, more heavily armoured units of 20 with the lasgun that we are used to from 40k through to hordes of mutants. You can even create abhuman units with detonator collars. The list shows that at this stage of the Imperiums history, the Imperial Army is still formed from indentured units from Compliant worlds - they haven't been formed into the autonomous Imperial Guard with unified equipment, arms and vehicles. At this stage, the IA is formed from whatever the Imperium has available as they are not the "cutting edge" of the Great Crusade: that is the remit of the Astartes and the Solar Auxilia.

It was also mentioned that this is a modelllers dream as it provides you with a "toolkit" to create whatever style of Imperial Army force you want. You could run beastmen models with rifles, old Necromunda gangers, Cadian Shocktroops, Catachan jungle fighters, the FW range of Chaos cultists - pretty much whatever you want. Even Fantasy Imperial troops may be used as black powder weapons are part of the list.

Weapons range from (as mentioned above), black powder through to lasguns, autoguns etc. All the low-tech equipment that is clearly inferior to the Astartes and the SA but then, throw enough mud at something and some of it will stick. The IA list will kill just through sheer rate of dice being thrown at the opposing force. Sure, you won't have much left by the time Astartes have finished with you but for each Astartes, you probably have 3-5 Milita.

**Dreadclaw69**

zedmeister wrote:

Is that an Ordinatus?

**zedmeister**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
zedmeister wrote:

Is that an Ordinatus?

Aye, Ordinatus Mars (aka massive sonic disruptor cannon)

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From B&C

Deets from Garro on the Militia variability:

by taking a force commander, you can purchase 0-2 'provenances' each acting like a rite of war, pretty much all non-vehicle models in the list are affected. the provenances cost between 35-100pts.

warrior elite

- +1LD,
- militia levy (:cuss conscripts) become support squads

gene-crafted

- +1 str and +1 initiative
- can not get FNP saves

cyber-augmetics

- 6+ invuln save, or +1 to existing
- reduce run, sweeping advances by 1
- can't be combined with gene-crafted

alchem-jackers

- stubborn during assault phase
- if fails a LD test due to enemy shooting, becomes pinned instand of falling back
- any unit can purchase 'rage' for a fee

survivors of the dark age

- +1 to armour save
- compulsory troops must be grenadier squads
- milita levy squads gain 'support squad' rule
- can't be combined with cult horde or tainted flesh provenances
- units can purchase +1str to their las weapon,
- grenadier squads and command squads can purchase rhinos and LR proteus as dedicated transports (long live rogue trader)

feral warriors

- +1WS, orgyrn gain +1 attack instead
- can not have more vehicle units than infantry
- all non-orgyrn squads can purchase +1 attack for a fee

abhuman helots

- all units gain +1 toughness but have -1 initiative
- can purchase 'discipline collars' for a fee

cult horde (traitor only)

- all units gain zealot
- must always charge if in range
- can only make snap shots and can not go to ground
- can't take grenadier squads
- can't be combined with survivors of the dark ages

tainted flesh (traitors only)

- all units gain fear, feel no pain (6+) and rending in CC
- complusory troops must be levy squads
- can not have more 'non-levy' squads than levy squads
- can only take force commander and rogue psykers as HQs
- gains access to mutant spawns
- can't be combined with surviors of the dark ages, gene-crafted or alchem-jacker

**Peregrine**

zedmeister wrote:
survivors of the dark age

- +1 to armour save
- compulsory troops must be grenadier squads
- milita levy squads gain 'support squad' rule
- can't be combined with cult horde or tainted flesh provenances
- units can purchase +1str to their las weapon,
- grenadier squads and command squads can purchase rhinos and LR proteus as dedicated transports (long live rogue trader)

Now that sounds interesting.

**gorgon**

In case it hasn't been posted already, here's a better pic of Guilliman. And it looks much better (IMO), as I predicted.

From B&C:

Spoiler:

**Paradigm**

So FW have done a better Knight list than 40k, more varied Marines, and now they're bringing back IG Doctrines in spirit? Awesome!

**changemod**

WrentheFaceless wrote:

So someone posted this in a fb group

Doesn't that kind of entirely take out the few things that can stand a chance at doing some meaningful damage to it?

Not being able to leave combat. That makes sense. What I mean is: They already gave it 30 hull points. It can take a few rounds of haywire or Armourbane combat to the ankle before it has to panic.

Seems kinda sucky for whoever paid for it. Display model first and foremost, sure, but not much point whipping it out against an army of equal points tailored to try to take it down if there's effectively no such thing as an army of equal points tailored to try to take it down.

**Peregrine**

changemod wrote:
Doesn't that kind of entirely take out the few things that can stand a chance at doing some meaningful damage to it?

Yes, and that's the whole point. You're not supposed to be able to kill it easily without superheavies (preferably titans) of your own.

but not much point whipping it out against an army of equal points tailored to try to take it down if there's effectively no such thing as an army of equal points tailored to try to take it down.

It costs almost 3000 points. It will never be seen outside of Apocalypse, where there are plenty of D-weapons to deal with it.

**Lockark**

So here is something for people to chew on. You can take Ab-Humans and Survivors of the Dark Age together as your two "provenances" would bassicly represent a Squat Army?

=O