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I'd like it done FW HH style. 1 Vanilla Space Marine book and 1-2 books that add SCs and unique units and rules to layer on/replace things from the main book.

For. There are too many Imperial armies as is.

 MWHistorian wrote:
For. There are too many Imperial armies as is.

How would this fix that though? There'd still be just as many people playing them.

 aka_mythos wrote:
I don't think thats necessarily the case Black Templars got their unique unit in the current books.

No, what we got was Tacticals with a weapon swap with scouts. All the army-wide rules that made BT play differently were removed and replaced with sub-par replacements.

Well I was commenting on the fact there was precedent for a chapter specific unit; the quality of that unit is a different argument that doesn't invalidate a unified singular codex format.

If we were in 6th edition, I'd be against. I dont play marines but bought dark angels codex just for the style (ornaments on pages), same time I didnt buy vanila sm. I was really looking forward to seeing the style of blood angels and space wolves.

Now since all codieces look the same except images which btw get progressively worse, I dont care. Some new images in necron codex look cheap and plain bad imo.

Also people pls no more suggestions of rolling csm into sm, it's ridiculous. At that point we can just make a single book for all armies containing only stats and special rules (which is not a bad idea btw).

GW will do what they always have done: make different codex's and "common" gear will change with different points cost and abilities over time.
Each SM will have their own special snowflake Rhino and Drop-Pod among other things.

I am sure we can make it like branches of a tree: Core book codex Space Marine: then a Blood Angels special supplement with a Flesh Tearer's supplement so you need all three books to play! Genius! Great way to bring in the money how Kirby likes.

Yes, a merge would be the proper way to do it and separating out all the special stuff for each group is not that hard when so much kit is common.
I keep pointing back where a chaos space marine codex covered all the various gods and some pirate types with all kinds of special things for each with still enough room for fluff: not that big a deal.

I agree, trying to differentiate is becoming a caricature: The wolf rider of wolves! The robed angels of unforgiving death! The bloody angels of scarlet death! The black chained Templar of charging! The I-only-miss-on-2's fists of shootiness! Bah, I am sure there is more but really? I bit of flavor goes a long way, beating over the head is stupid.

Blood Angels
-Dataslate Death Company, Sanguinary Guard, Relics & The Sanguinary Discipline
-Give Everyone Apothecaries As A HQ
-Chapter Tactics: Everyone Has Furious Charge, Apothecaries Give +1WS

Dark Angels
-Dataslate Deathwing Knights, Black Knights & Relics
-Move Azrael To LOW (And Make The Sword Of Secrets AP2)
-Chapter Tactics: Everyone Is Stubborn, Bikes Have Skilled Riders, Terminators Have Deathwing Assault

Space Wolves
-Some Units (Grey Hunters, Long Fangs) Can Be Covered In The Codex, But SW Would Need A Supplement
-Chapter Tactics: Everyone Has Counter-Attack & Acute Senses

So currently 72% of people think that some sort of merger is acceptable.

I don't think GH would need their own entry. Just give their gear options to the generic Tac squad and have a chapter specific list of wargear.

Wow. There really are a lot of marine haters out there. I'm suprised at the poll especially after merging Black Templars into the main codex and how much they failed to do them justice by. Merging them well just reduce their unqueness making them even more blander as marines.

 CrownAxe wrote:
Wow. There really are a lot of marine haters out there. I'm suprised at the poll especially after merging Black Templars into the main codex and how much they failed to do them justice by. Merging them well just reduce their unqueness making them even more blander as marines.

I would suggest there's a difference between "hating marines" and thinking there's an unnecessarily large number of distinct marine books and that such a situation creates long term problems for the game. As for BT, who knows what they might have ended up like as their own book, they may not have been any different, and they gained a lot, most of the stuff people complain about likely wouldn't have survived (or survived in the form they wanted) either way, particularly due to edition differences.

 CrownAxe wrote:
Wow. There really are a lot of marine haters out there. I'm suprised at the poll especially after merging Black Templars into the main codex and how much they failed to do them justice by. Merging them well just reduce their unqueness making them even more blander as marines.

I think it's less of a hating and more just that at this point, it should be an all or nothing. Either leave the codices as is, or roll all the SM into one big Codex: Astartes. Don't half ass it and roll BA or DA in and leave SW out.

Contrary, I love the Space Marines. As far as over the top grim dark epicness goes, I think they're the best.

I just think that the situation with the rule books is stupid.

I don't hate the Space Marines, I hate the splitting up of rulebooks and the fact that there is a spotlight/poster army. The Space Marines are fine. Spread the limelight out a bit, stop making me reference more and more and more rulebooks, and I'll stop being grumpy.

natpri771 wrote:
Blood Angels

Dark Angels
-Dataslate Deathwing Knights, Black Knights & Relics
-Move Azrael To LOW (And Make The Sword Of Secrets AP2)
-Chapter Tactics: Everyone Is Stubborn, Bikes Have Skilled Riders, Terminators Have Deathwing Assault

You forgot DW termies have Split Fire, and I for sure want them to have it still.
Having stubborn as a CT is fluffy and all, but by far it's the worst chapter tactics there is, even if DA would be rolled into regular SM codex no one but most die hard DA fans would play it..
And where's our unique land speeders (and planes)?

Split Fire is the type of thing that comes and goes from one codex to the other. It wasn't something they had before may not be something they retain even in another DA-only codex. It's nice, but it's not a defining lonstanding unique DA special rule, and, combined codex or not, is exactly the kind of thing one shouldn't expect to retain from one book to the next, and not something that should prevent someone from considering the concept of a combined codex.

Less pages wasted on photographs would be nice. The unit entries used to be full pages of fluff and rules with maybe a little piece of artwork. Now it's just... half a page of stock photograph, ugh.

TBH if GW took each SM book as it was unedited and put them together in one big book people might buy it.

like persay...

chapters one - vanila SM (army list, special rules, equipment)
chapter 2 - DA (army list, special rules, equipment)
ch.3 - BA (army list, special rules, equipment)
ch.4 - SW (army list, special rules, equipment)

each codex would exist as a whole but they would simply be compiled into one book.

 fox-light713 wrote:
TBH if GW took each SM book as it was unedited and put them together in one big book people might buy it.

like persay...

chapters one - vanila SM (army list, special rules, equipment)
chapter 2 - DA (army list, special rules, equipment)
ch.3 - BA (army list, special rules, equipment)
ch.4 - SW (army list, special rules, equipment)

each codex would exist as a whole but they would simply be compiled into one book.

That's pretty much what you'd get if you removed the Badab War fluff from the FW books, cut it down to one book, and put the existing SM chapters in.

 fox-light713 wrote:
TBH if GW took each SM book as it was unedited and put them together in one big book people might buy it.

like persay...

chapters one - vanila SM (army list, special rules, equipment)
chapter 2 - DA (army list, special rules, equipment)
ch.3 - BA (army list, special rules, equipment)
ch.4 - SW (army list, special rules, equipment)

each codex would exist as a whole but they would simply be compiled into one book.

Or you could just keep them as separate books and release them all at the same time (or in the same 1 to 3 month window). I'd be happier if they were separate, 40k rules are already too expensive and a pain in the arse to navigate without putting in a whole bunch of stuff I'm not going to use. Though if GW books weren't so expensive I'd probably care less.

Make it one codex and issue supplements for the snowflake chapters.

As a collector of Dark Angels, Blood Angels and Space Wolves all proposition of this thread are wholefully denied. i won't share a book with inferior codex adherant brother.

Blood Angels are codex adherent...

 ImAGeek wrote:
Blood Angels are codex adherent...

Tell them that when Dante pull a Dark Angels and unify all of their succesor under them when the End Times comes... For Baal! For Sanguinius!

...They'd still be codex adherent...

Just, you know, fighting together.

I am split when it comes to this topic. I understand the reasoning but sometimes like they aren't all in one codex. Recently though, it does seem like all the Marine books have come into line with each other except for a couple of unique units and characters, all except the GK who although have a complete different structure, still doesn't seem enough to fill a codex and I am a GK player.

I am indifferent really. I wouldn't want to loose the unique style of the SW, BA and DA but everyone is so close to basically being the same that it does seem kind of pointless to have all these separate codices. I have Imperial Fists and honestly, the Sentinels of Terra supplement is enough for me to really get that Imperial Fist flavor and distinction so I definitely could see the same being done for SW, BA and DA. My biggest problem is that the role of SW and BA armies are so similar that there are few differences between them now. BA are a little faster and SW hit a little harder but both are fundementally an assault based army with proper heavy fire power to be able to back it so they aren't gimpped like the GK are.

Merge them all but leave GKs out as they are ridiculously cheesy and broken as they are.

Talizvar wrote:
I am sure we can make it like branches of a tree: Core book codex Space Marine: then a Blood Angels special supplement with a Flesh Tearer's supplement so you need all three books to play! Genius! Great way to bring in the money how Kirby likes.

C: Astartes Blood Angels + C: Astartes Blood Angels successors Flesh Tearers + C: Astartes Blood Angels successors Flesh Tearers supplementicus assaulticus transportus.
Ye shall download them all! Free access code in every box!

CrownAxe wrote:Wow. There really are a lot of marine haters out there. I'm suprised at the poll especially after merging Black Templars into the main codex and how much they failed to do them justice by. Merging them well just reduce their unqueness making them even more blander as marines.

Its not even a zero sum game. No one won, everbody lost.

LordofHats wrote:Contrary, I love the Space Marines. As far as over the top grim dark epicness goes, I think they're the best.

I just think that the situation with the rule books is stupid.

AnomanderRake wrote:I don't hate the Space Marines, I hate the splitting up of rulebooks and the fact that there is a spotlight/poster army. The Space Marines are fine. Spread the limelight out a bit, stop making me reference more and more and more rulebooks, and I'll stop being grumpy.

kronk wrote:Make it one codex and issue supplements for the snowflake chapters.

What we may get this year:
From the news&rumors ( 40k releases )
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/210/629061.page#7600499

75hastings69;7385810 wrote:

No it doesn't. There's no bad marines codex, I'm specifically referring to the renegades in the HH box set. One guy asked if there would be CSM, I said that technically yes, as the renegades from the HH are technically CSM *even if very early on the road to being CSM)

YAY!!!!!

AFAIK a kill team type thing, all the types of assassins in plastic. Not sure of any other contents or specifics. Like I say 40k isn't my thing.

Just like the spoof Countdown where the words coming out were like OMETHINGS etc and the guys were declaring words of 4 and 5 Think that's was noel Edmunds gotcha type thing, poor old madeley didn't know what to do with himself.

So from the list we have:-

Admech Codex & models (full release)
**** Codex & models (Harlequin sized release already mentioned on thread)
**** Codex & models (Harlequin sized release already mentioned on thread)
HH Standalone box game, on sale for a few months, then models become part of 30k range.
Assassins Standalone box game, on sale for a few months, then models become part of the 40k range.

There 1 release of another Imperial Faction ( full release )
Plus 2 smaller releases, 2 boxed games whose models may find a way into 40k too.
Where is this release slots argument now? Dead? or undead?

Why would one merge 1000 Chapters into 1 dex if we have really small organizations of the 40k verse running around with their own dex?
You know, like Tempestus Scions, IK, etc

Furyou Miko wrote:Less pages wasted on photographs would be nice. The unit entries used to be full pages of fluff and rules with maybe a little piece of artwork. Now it's just... half a page of stock photograph, ugh.

Codices were fine without beeing "warhammer visions" in hardback.

OtoH, if everything is available digitally, the visual side of things will be strong.

natpri771 wrote:
Blood Angels
-Dataslate Death Company, Sanguinary Guard, Relics & The Sanguinary Discipline
-Give Everyone Apothecaries As A HQ
-Chapter Tactics: Everyone Has Furious Charge, Apothecaries Give +1WS

Endresult: Blood Angel players have to buy an additional Dataslate and get their Priests stolen as a unique trait.
Well, luckily they are never ever going to do this.

I've been at the forfront advocating this for years.
The majority of the chapters have a set of "stock" units that they all share. These stock units make up the majority of the units.
You could have a page or two of fluff for each chapter (there could be a 2nd book full of nothing but expanded fluff for those who want it). This is where you put in special rules that match the chapters. For example black rage.
Then a listing of all of the units/weapons/equipment whatnot. Just put in a caveat of what goes with each chapter. For example, Death Company- Blood Angels only. Or Wolf Guard- Space Wolves Only.