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 TheCustomLime wrote:

 Maréchal des Logis Walter wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
I can understand the hull mounted and co-axial 34 not having the extra dice since the 34 wasn't quite the bullet hose the 42 was. But the pintle mounted MG42 should definitely have it.

Well a 1200 shot/minute aircolled mg barely reaches half of it, so actually the difference is small: the mg42 was fearsome, but it was reduced to short bursts to avoid overheating. . What's more even witht the well stabilized tripod, such a fire rate wouldn't allow for much accurency and i jut let you imagine the ammo bill by the end of the week!

The principle behind the MG42 is that the Germans believed a machine gunner only had a few seconds of opportunity to fire so it was best to fill the air with as much lead as possible during those short bursts.

And yes, ammo was always a concern with squads carrying one. It's why you see a lot of late war soldiers laden with Machine gun ammo belts like a mule.

Well, if i remember well the purpose for the MG42 machine gun was basically to be tougher tahn it's fragile elder, hence a worse quality in terms of details. However they also managed to produce a great weapon in as far as fire rate in they same time. But afterwards the german mavhine gun doctrine didn't change: it kept playing the suppression and zone denying role in infantry support as did the 34. At the platoon scale, they were supposed to force the enemy down while the infantrymen progressed or to prevent them from getting outflanked. Obviously area denial was also their defensive purpose.

But i suggest that we either open a new thread or stop there before we have once again the discussins jumping off its tracks, and i head this way.

Since they got rid of shaped charge, how likely is the bazookas, panzerschreck/faust to endure a rise in points?

Noticed one of the additions was terrain that actually blocks line of sight. That'll be a change.

ON Panzerfausts, bazookas, et all, odds are no. Only the German book is being redone and as Soviets can take Panzerfausts as well, all signs point to no as not all would be adjusted points wise.

Honestly they took it out to make them more balanced (as in making them better)

Hitting a target with shaped charge weapons was a nightmare in V1. Your base hit mod was essentially a +4 before things like range and cover even mattered. Taking away Shaped charge's penalty helps make these weapons far more viable and hopefully give German players a reason to finally use all those Panzerfaust models Warlord keeps making, because man does Warlord love giving their metal infantry panzerfausts.

Vertrucio wrote:Noticed one of the additions was terrain that actually blocks line of sight. That'll be a change.

What do you mean?

MrMoustaffa wrote:ON Panzerfausts, bazookas, et all, odds are no. Only the German book is being redone and as Soviets can take Panzerfausts as well, all signs point to no as not all would be adjusted points wise.

Honestly they took it out to make them more balanced (as in making them better)

Hitting a target with shaped charge weapons was a nightmare in V1. Your base hit mod was essentially a +4 before things like range and cover even mattered. Taking away Shaped charge's penalty helps make these weapons far more viable and hopefully give German players a reason to finally use all those Panzerfaust models Warlord keeps making, because man does Warlord love giving their metal infantry panzerfausts.

I agree with you. I only used my panzerfausts once and they failed at point blank because... 3+ (yeah double 2 ) That's exceptionally unlucky but in reality the bazooka was quite useless too for the same reason: you had at least 5+ in 3 cases out of 4...

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
ON Panzerfausts, bazookas, et all, odds are no. Only the German book is being redone and as Soviets can take Panzerfausts as well, all signs point to no as not all would be adjusted points wise.

Honestly they took it out to make them more balanced (as in making them better)

Hitting a target with shaped charge weapons was a nightmare in V1. Your base hit mod was essentially a +4 before things like range and cover even mattered. Taking away Shaped charge's penalty helps make these weapons far more viable and hopefully give German players a reason to finally use all those Panzerfaust models Warlord keeps making, because man does Warlord love giving their metal infantry panzerfausts.

Not even Russian metal infantry are safe from the nazi death tubes.

 Maréchal des Logis Walter wrote:

Vertrucio wrote:Noticed one of the additions was terrain that actually blocks line of sight. That'll be a change.

What do you mean?

It appears a new classification of terrain, area/dense terrain, that allows LOS from inside to outside, and outside to inside, but not from outside across to the other side. Previously that would have been just a cover modification.
Seems like examples would include dense building rubble or heavily forested wood areas.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Maréchal des Logis Walter wrote:

Vertrucio wrote:Noticed one of the additions was terrain that actually blocks line of sight. That'll be a change.

What do you mean?

It appears a new classification of terrain, area/dense terrain, that allows LOS from inside to outside, and outside to inside, but not from outside across to the other side. Previously that would have been just a cover modification.
Seems like examples would include dense building rubble or heavily forested wood areas.

I see. Well, it's somewhat better, but this might make the game a bit more complicated unless they very clearly definit the satats of each kind.

Seen an unboxing from Tabletop Gorilla of ba2 and it's a damn good one so far!

For all those who can speak or understand german it's worth checking the channel