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Wonder if it's worth a class action?

Probably better off going through KS or PayPal (or both) if he won't give you a refund. After that, small claims is probably your best bet. Class action suits usually just make attorney's money, and it isn't as though he has a lot of wealth or income to tap to pay costs.

I don't even know when I paid for this thing.. 2 years in overseas and still no models, what a joke.

At this point, I'm becoming like one of those annoying kids who sits in the back of the car asking "Are we there yet?" constantly.

We've seen pics of finished molds and boxes of pieces already cast. If they can fulfill some orders now, they should. It's not like everybody ordered one of each model.

Very little progress on any of the models he didn't already have sculpted before the Kickstarter. Would be nice for those who just got the Spider Demon to be able to get their model.

Next red flag I'm worried we'll see is profiteering shipping and "handling" fees. I've been worried for some time that the funds we pledged are dwindling.

So we get to see one miniature every two weeks, that's eighteen more weeks of waiting at least.

PalmerC wrote:
This was my first and last kickstarter I have supported, I consider myself lucky that I only purchesed one of the less expensive models. I have been lurking on this thread for years now lol appreciate the updates people have been posting. Its difficult to maintain a positive attitude around this process as this guy is clearly not competent in offering a product and I cant imagine him ever being successful again after this fiasco. There is always yoga I suppose.

Not to absolve Creature Caster of any responsibility and I'm not really saying anyone is at fault for backing the campaign; but I think it's rather unfair to write of the entire crowdfunding business due to campaigns like this. It's a shame when well-run KS campaigns have a harder time succeeding due to completely unrealated (apart from using the same funding model) campaigns has given the entire crowdfunding model a bad rep.


There were some glaring red flags shown in this campaign (easier said in hindsight of course but still) that warned about this likely getting horribly delayed. Not easy to spot when it's your first KS and it's a due-diligence we shouldn't really have to to, but they were there.

- First project from a small (one-man?) team
- Ambitious large models with lots of pieces, so lots of stuff that can go wrong in the casting process
- Kickstarter goal that's shattered by the pledges, raking in over 10 times the needed funds (thus meaning 10 times the models to make and send out than was perhaps planned for when setting the delivery times).
and probably more that I've forgot

Now, any of those factors alone is not necessarily a problem but when a project raises that many flags and starts to balloon way above their initial funding goals, it's generally a good idea to pull out your pledge. The project will still be funded so if it goes well; the products will eventually be available at retail and, somewhat couterintuitive, a project creator is often more helped by their first campaign being just a moderate success than a massive one, which risks overwhelming them.

Were it a brand new enterprise, those would be very valid criticisms, but one has to remember Jeremy had a track record producing large, multi part, resin miniatures on a commercial scale with Ultra Forge.

At the very least one would expect things like sourcing a caster and organizing a shipping agent would be familiar enough processes that we wouldn't have seen quite the amount of "cat with a bag stuck on its head" behaviour that has occurred, let alone having vital digital files stored on a single, highly vulnerable, source.

 Zywus wrote:

Not to absolve Creature Caster of any responsibility and I'm not really saying anyone is at fault for backing the campaign; but I think it's rather unfair to write of the entire crowdfunding business due to campaigns like this. It's a shame when well-run KS campaigns have a harder time succeeding due to completely unrealated (apart from using the same funding model) campaigns has given the entire crowdfunding model a bad rep.


There were some glaring red flags shown in this campaign (easier said in hindsight of course but still) that warned about this likely getting horribly delayed. Not easy to spot when it's your first KS and it's a due-diligence we shouldn't really have to to, but they were there.

- First project from a small (one-man?) team
- Ambitious large models with lots of pieces, so lots of stuff that can go wrong in the casting process
- Kickstarter goal that's shattered by the pledges, raking in over 10 times the needed funds (thus meaning 10 times the models to make and send out than was perhaps planned for when setting the delivery times).
and probably more that I've forgot

Now, any of those factors alone is not necessarily a problem but when a project raises that many flags and starts to balloon way above their initial funding goals, it's generally a good idea to pull out your pledge. The project will still be funded so if it goes well; the products will eventually be available at retail and, somewhat couterintuitive, a project creator is often more helped by their first campaign being just a moderate success than a massive one, which risks overwhelming them.

Fair points although I didnt lump the entire crowdfunding offering in this thread only in my personal decision to not support any additional kickstarters. I also did support this given the success at Ultraforge but it doesnt matter like I said first and last time for me.

Phew, I still really want several of the models, but it seems a goood thing I din't back or late back this. I never clicked on this thread because I thought it'd be people happy with their awesome minis and I'd leave really salty, but today I was bored! I feel for you guys having to deal with this, this is wayyy worse than waiting for MIKH finally sculpting balls on a bull (or lion)

Binabik15 wrote:
Phew, I still really want several of the models, but it seems a goood thing I din't back or late back this. I never clicked on this thread because I thought it'd be people happy with their awesome minis and I'd leave really salty, but today I was bored! I feel for you guys having to deal with this, this is wayyy worse than waiting for MIKH finally sculpting balls on a bull (or lion)

I am pretty sure you'll be able to pick up these models for a song when (IF) they ever get released.

I know my pledge is going straight to eBay if it materializes, and I don't think I am alone.

 Kirasu wrote:
I don't even know when I paid for this thing.. 2 years in overseas and still no models, what a joke.

That's how I feel about Trollforged's Assimilation Alien Host.

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

Binabik15 wrote:
Phew, I still really want several of the models, but it seems a goood thing I din't back or late back this. I never clicked on this thread because I thought it'd be people happy with their awesome minis and I'd leave really salty, but today I was bored! I feel for you guys having to deal with this, this is wayyy worse than waiting for MIKH finally sculpting balls on a bull (or lion)

I am pretty sure you'll be able to pick up these models for a song when (IF) they ever get released.

I know my pledge is going straight to eBay if it materializes, and I don't think I am alone.

I'll serenade you for a not-Thirster and a not-Mortarion.

My brother might even do some epic guitar solo for that tree lady

Man, by some miracle or unknown instinct I've avoided the messiest KSs. I had some long delays (Arena Rex, my first KS as the worst offender) but nothing that didn't get fullfilled so far.

Didn't see this posted here, but since it doesn't really reveal anything new, I see why no one bothered

Update #98
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jeremyglen/creature-caster-first-wave/posts/1653703

I probably expended more effort posting this link then Jeremy did on this project in the last couple months

I only this last year fully realized that you can only get a finacially rich person by making several poor people.
That is how money and power work. Any finite resource is a set of scales, and if your side of the scales is up that means someone else's is down, and vica versa.
The effects that your personal wealth has on others around the planet is deliberately hidden from you. This is because people are fundamentally compassionate upon birth. The only way we can operate on such an amoral level is to hide people from the effects of their purchases and wealth.
You are a better person than you have given yourself the chance to be.
We would not buy a blood diamond, yet on a long enough timeline and under the same logic ALL money is printed in blood. When do we start calling it all blood money?
Anyone ready to admit that, or even talk about it? Food, water, health, education and justice are human rights. When do we start (Cencored) acting like it?
Redistribute your privilege. Give something away for free. Volunteer. Trade. Donate. Share. Stop buying gak you dont need, made by people who dont have enough.

Posted June 7(Edit)

This was copied from Jeremy's personal Facebook page. I fully support Jeremy giving us free shipping for our minis to help him redistribute his privilege. I edited out the F word. That is the only modification to this quote.

Well, he's always been a bit of a weirdo to be frank. From his Facebook feed, he's buggered off to the Burning Man festival thingy for a few days.

Is that a real, written quote from Jeremy, or just one of those "motivational"-type bs D&M sayings .jpgs that facebook is full of which people are constantly liking and posting to their walls?

I got it off of his wall posted by him. His personal page is full of this type of posts.


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I added the date posted to the original quote June 7 2016. Check out his FB page it is there in its original glory. I find it funny that he uses the mechanations of capitalism when it suits him but espouses the virtues of socialism.

The writing style is a bit hippy-dippy, and one of the initial conditions is wrong(humans are born compassionate, to a certain value of compassion - we'll happily club that other monkey from the other tribe over the fething skull if he tries to take our stuff), but fundamentally I don't see anything controvertial about what he's saying there.

Growth is not infinite and so capitalism is a zero-sum game in the end, and people do distance themselves from the reality of the products they buy("Oh noes, child labour is horrible! *buys iphones*"). EDIT: And ugh, personal bugbear, but please try and remember that "socialism" is a specific thing and not just a general term for "left".

But yeah I'll back the idea of Jeremy giving himself some good Karma by waiving the shipping charges on these bloody models

 slk28850 wrote:
I only this last year fully realized that you can only get a finacially rich person by making several poor people.
That is how money and power work. Any finite resource is a set of scales, and if your side of the scales is up that means someone else's is down, and vica versa.
The effects that your personal wealth has on others around the planet is deliberately hidden from you. This is because people are fundamentally compassionate upon birth. The only way we can operate on such an amoral level is to hide people from the effects of their purchases and wealth.
You are a better person than you have given yourself the chance to be.
We would not buy a blood diamond, yet on a long enough timeline and under the same logic ALL money is printed in blood. When do we start calling it all blood money?
Anyone ready to admit that, or even talk about it? Food, water, health, education and justice are human rights. When do we start (Cencored) acting like it?
Redistribute your privilege. Give something away for free. Volunteer. Trade. Donate. Share. Stop buying gak you dont need, made by people who dont have enough.

This was copied from Jeremy's personal Facebook page. I fully support Jeremy giving us free shipping for our minis to help him redistribute his privilege. I edited out the F word. That is the only modification to this quote.

Sounds like a personal justification for sitting on his highly artistic and delicate arse and doing feth all about honoring his debts.

"You were the greedy fools who threw your money after toys when you could have fed the sick and homeless with it, so I could even just keep the money and not give you anything and it would be your fault for not giving to the poor and living the rest of your days in a cave with a burlap rag to cover your shame..."

He's justifying it all to himself, creating a Mandelbonder-esque world of imagined moral high ground and redirected blame. I'd be careful he doesn't go completely off radar.

Wow.... just wow.

I wonder if he sees the dissonance between "Stop buying gak you dont need, made by people who dont have enough," and his current form of employment. Let alone the fact that people trying to make and sell stuff are doing it to be better off.

I gotta admit, crap like that makes me even less inclined to purchase anything from him in the future. Not that it was terribly likely anyway, given how this project is being run, but still.

That Facebook post is cringe inducing.

I gotta say, I think I've turned a corner on this project. I am having more fun posting comments on the KS page than I'd ever get from the PoS dragon I ordered. Perhaps this was money well spent.

I love how Jeremy shows all his friends that he has no clue about capitalism and economy by thinking it's a zero-sum game. The self-own is so strong in this guy...

I fear we might not even see our stuff by the end of this year, with the speed the updates go along.

And as I said in the comments section couple times: just wait until the shipping costs drop. No way he won't try to make money off of that. No way!

On a more serious note (because I really think people should know about this guy): do you think any of the popular wargaming/tabletop sites might pick up the story of this KS and how Jeremy treats his backers (with utter ignorance and mockery) if someone writes a good article about it?

I voted on the strawpoll for the Pincer Demon. I'd like some proof it exists as it's the only one I ordered.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I voted on the strawpoll for the Pincer Demon. I'd like some proof it exists as it's the only one I ordered.

I think everyone feels that way lol.

I ordered 3 if i remember right- the zombie dragon, mountain dragon, and the warrior demon. I've yet to see anything other than the digital renders :(.

The fact that he's gone to a Burning Man festival should tell you the depth of his hippy-ism.

Let's all vote for the Pincer Demon! (just cast my vote).

I'd like to see of the same thing happens as it did with the possessed dragon last time

They have to have master models/moulds of every model, at least thats what we have been told many month ago....only....we never got to see them! Makes you think...

Speaking of mountain dragons their ears must have been burning!... God-dammit. The Mountain Dragon looks amazing!! Think I've found my Stormcast Lord Celestant's mount .

These pics are from Update #99

Creature Caster Production Team Update Aug 27/08/16
Hello Creature Caster Backers. Greetings from the production team. We hope you all had fun voting in the straw poll we certainly enjoyed seeing the votes pouring in. The result was really unexpected for us as the model with the lowest sales numbers achieved a crushing victory. Some of you are really passionate about the Mountain Dragon and that is what we love to see. A new straw poll for what pictures to include in the next update is already up. It will have the same format as last time since we really like the fact that the straw poll is measuring enthusiasm for which model to show next. Vote here: http://www.strawpoll.me/11089347

Model Tech

One problem with large resin models is that they tend to tip over easily. A lot of thought and care was put into balancing these models so that they are stable. Their center of balance is pretty uncanny for something with such a tiny foot print. If these models are placed on a plastic or resin type base commonly used for gaming the stability will be increased even further. Take a look as the Mountain Dragon navigates over some pretty difficult ground.

Plague Daemon Pic:



Plus, a pic of the Not-at-all-Tzeentch-Greater-Daemon painting:

There is no doubt the sculpts are gorgeous, but still not details on shipping dates. People are asking again what percentage casting each monster is at. And again, Jeremy isn't saying anything.

Jeremy doesn't care, that should be obvious since his "breakdown".

I am not sure if he realizes that his reputation is at stake, but obviously, he does not care about the project, the backers etc.

That's why it will take as long as it will take, why he himself no longer invests time in it etc.