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 pretre wrote:
Oooh, new rumor monger.

Is he saying anything truly new though?

 nels1031 wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Oooh, new rumor monger.

Is he saying anything truly new though?

Does it matter? We still track them.

 nels1031 wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Oooh, new rumor monger.

Is he saying anything truly new though?

Nope, but it's always interesting to see them spring out of the woodwork and reiterate that which has been said before.

Orks? yeah right

 Kanluwen wrote:

Much as some WH players are obsessed with jamming too much fluff into the minis and rules (usually with the appellation 'special'), I don't think that extends quite as far as haute couture.

Well, you could also look at them and realize that each of the "flavor" of Elves have different established visual aesthetics in terms of their weapons, armor, and shields.

If you want to boil it down to "elves with spears and shields" that's fine, but it's also a disingenuous and lazy argument.

No. Considering the post of the guy you originally quoted, it's pretty appropriate. If GW are going to make generic stat entries for basic troops in each faction in 9th, particularly combined elves, then I'd say 'elves with spears' stands a good chance of being one of those basic entries.
For the umpteenth time, fluff is being confused with (potential) rules. If you want to use models that have the flavour and visual aesthetics of GWs take on eternal guard, or any other wood elves, and make a big deal about them specifically being survivors of Athel Loren, that's perfectly fine; but on paper it won't make them any more than the hypothetical 'elves with spears' unit, or much different to high elf spearmen or druchi dreadspears. And that's fine too. If I plop down a unit of eternal guard, I don't need rules bloat to tell me they're eternal guard. Look: they're right there. The models are eternal guard. Y'see?
Maybe you might get a few little addon rules to tailor them further, maybe, but I gotta say I don't think it'd be hugely necessary.

Conversely, if I want to buy some generic elves clad in basic chainmail (or even saxons or normans with added pointy ears), without some overbearing winding-plants-and-leaves motif, and call them Athel Loren wood elves, I could bleedin' well do that too, given an obliging manufacturer and no GW staff breathing down my neck. Look, there they are: models of elves with spears. They're eternal guard because I say they're eternal guard.

Fun fact: there is no entry for phoenix guard in the Warmaster high elf list, but GW manufactured 10mm phoenix guard models for a while. (An even shorter while than they manufactured other Warmaster minis) I fortunately managed to snag a couple of units of them in a trade, a few years ago. But what to play them as? Spearmen. Elves with spears. Maybe with a magic item buff to reflect their elite nature. I don't need valour of ages or speed of asuryan or cause fear or a 4+ ward save (or whatever they get in WFB 8th) to tell me they're Phoenix Guard. (or to autowin a fight)

New poster with elaborate details of a release that's still months away?

Time will tell.

I'm still trying to be positive! It's still hard ㅜㅜ

Warmachine being mounted on other things sounds cool. Empire with a whole range of crazy steam tanks and other contraptions could be great.

 Vermis wrote:
No. Considering the post of the guy you originally quoted, it's pretty appropriate. If GW are going to make generic stat entries for basic troops in each faction in 9th, particularly combined elves, then I'd say 'elves with spears' stands a good chance of being one of those basic entries.

For the umpteenth time, fluff is being confused with (potential) rules. If you want to use models that have the flavour and visual aesthetics of GWs take on eternal guard, or any other wood elves, and make a big deal about them specifically being survivors of Athel Loren, that's perfectly fine; but on paper it won't make them any more than the hypothetical 'elves with spears' unit, or much different to high elf spearmen or druchi dreadspears. And that's fine too. If I plop down a unit of eternal guard, I don't need rules bloat to tell me they're eternal guard. Look: they're right there. The models are eternal guard. Y'see?

Maybe you might get a few little addon rules to tailor them further, maybe, but I gotta say I don't think it'd be hugely necessary.

Conversely, if I want to buy some generic elves clad in basic chainmail (or even saxons or normans with added pointy ears), without some overbearing winding-plants-and-leaves motif, and call them Athel Loren wood elves, I could bleedin' well do that too, given an obliging manufacturer and no GW staff breathing down my neck. Look, there they are: models of elves with spears. They're eternal guard because I say they're eternal guard.

Fun fact: there is no entry for phoenix guard in the Warmaster high elf list, but GW manufactured 10mm phoenix guard models for a while. (An even shorter while than they manufactured other Warmaster minis) I fortunately managed to snag a couple of units of them in a trade, a few years ago. But what to play them as? Spearmen. Elves with spears. Maybe with a magic item buff to reflect their elite nature. I don't need valour of ages or speed of asuryan or cause fear or a 4+ ward save (or whatever they get in WFB 8th) to tell me they're Phoenix Guard. (or to autowin a fight)

QFT.

I think we need to look at the current Chaos Space Marine entry for how Elves are going to be handled going forward.

Grimdark (tm) Elves
Grimdark(tm) Elf - WS4 BS4 S3 T3 W1 I5 A1 Ld8 Mv5
Grimdark(tm) Elf Leader - WS4 BS4 S3 T3 W1 I5 A2 Ld9 Mv5
- Hand Weapon, Light Armor
- Always Strikes First, Armor Piercing, Fight in Extra Ranks

seems innocuous enough, right? Read on, gentle reader...

The unit must purchase one Mark:
- Mark of Grimness = +1 pts/model = unit gains XXX (this is the best value, by far, but requires brand new WYSIWYG models, only sold in boxes of 10)
- Mark of Darkness = +2 pts/model = unit gains Hatred & Murderous (ooh, so angry!)
- Mark of Highness = +3 pts/model = unit gains Valour & Marital Prowess (this is almost fair, but definitely little underpowered)
- Mark of Woodness = +5 pts/model = unit gains Stalker & Strider (this is a totally crap option, but GW loves to feth the Wood Elves extra hard, and WE players should totally expect it!!! )
Marks must be represented by the models.

The unit may be upgrade to Veterans:
- Veterans of the Grimdark(tm) = +X pts/model -- unit gains +1WS +1BS +1Ld; units with the Mark of Grimness get this for FREE!!!!! (an extra "feth you" to the 8E models )

The unit may purchase a Banner:
- Banner of XXX = +XX pts/unit
- Banner of XXX = +XX pts/unit

The entire unit may purchase any 2 equipment upgrades:
- Heavy Armor = +XX pts/unit
- Shield = +XX pts/unit
- 2nd CCW = +XX pts/unit
- Halberd = +XX pts/unit
- Great Weapon = +XX pts/unit
- Spear = +XX pts/unit
- Short Bows = +XX pts/unit (repeater X-bows)
- Long Bows = +XX pts/unit

Enough options, and you can make whatever you currently own.
- High SpearElves? Mark of Highness, Shield & Long Spear.

And so on.

Could you be a little less gleeful over the idea of people losing their armies DD? That'd be great.

All this makes me wonder if GW would find it profitable to make older editions available in digital versions.

I am pretty sure that there would be at least some market for sixth edition - and likely for third.

If nothing else... there is still Kings of War - but for the folks that really want Warhammer... there might be a market for e-books of the older rules.

The Auld Grump

I just snagged a 6th edition rulebook and a stack of army books, pretty much brand new for less than half the cost of an average unit box, so I've got something to fall back on should these new rules not pan out.

Considering the fact that I've probably got just a couple hundred points for almost every army released currently, I'm perfectly content with having an actual skirmish game to use them in, and having a (hopefully decent) player base outside of family to play with.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:


I think we need to look at the current Chaos Space Marine entry for how Elves are going to be handled going forward.

Grimdark (tm) Elves
Grimdark(tm) Elf - WS4 BS4 S3 T3 W1 I5 A1 Ld8 Mv5
Grimdark(tm) Elf Leader - WS4 BS4 S3 T3 W1 I5 A2 Ld9 Mv5
- Hand Weapon, Light Armor
- Always Strikes First, Armor Piercing, Fight in Extra Ranks

seems innocuous enough, right? Read on, gentle reader...

The unit must purchase one Mark:
- Mark of Grimness = +1 pts/model = unit gains XXX (this is the best value, by far, but requires brand new WYSIWYG models, only sold in boxes of 10)
- Mark of Darkness = +2 pts/model = unit gains Hatred & Murderous (ooh, so angry!)
- Mark of Highness = +3 pts/model = unit gains Valour & Marital Prowess (this is almost fair, but definitely little underpowered)
- Mark of Woodness = +5 pts/model = unit gains Stalker & Strider (this is a totally crap option, but GW loves to feth the Wood Elves extra hard, and WE players should totally expect it!!! )
Marks must be represented by the models.

The unit may be upgrade to Veterans:
- Veterans of the Grimdark(tm) = +X pts/model -- unit gains +1WS +1BS +1Ld; units with the Mark of Grimness get this for FREE!!!!! (an extra "feth you" to the 8E models )

The unit may purchase a Banner:
- Banner of XXX = +XX pts/unit
- Banner of XXX = +XX pts/unit

The entire unit may purchase any 2 equipment upgrades:
- Heavy Armor = +XX pts/unit
- Shield = +XX pts/unit
- 2nd CCW = +XX pts/unit
- Halberd = +XX pts/unit
- Great Weapon = +XX pts/unit
- Spear = +XX pts/unit
- Short Bows = +XX pts/unit (repeater X-bows)
- Long Bows = +XX pts/unit

Enough options, and you can make whatever you currently own.
- High SpearElves? Mark of Highness, Shield & Long Spear.

And so on.

How did you get an advance copy of the army book??!?!?!?one?!!?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:


I think we need to look at the current Chaos Space Marine entry for how Elves are going to be handled going forward.

Grimdark (tm) Elves
Grimdark(tm) Elf - WS4 BS4 S3 T3 W1 I5 A1 Ld8 Mv5
Grimdark(tm) Elf Leader - WS4 BS4 S3 T3 W1 I5 A2 Ld9 Mv5
- Hand Weapon, Light Armor
- Always Strikes First, Armor Piercing, Fight in Extra Ranks
...

Enough options, and you can make whatever you currently own.

How did you get an advance copy of the army book??!?!?!?one?!!?

There was a secret coupon code printed in Warhammer Armies : Dogs of War.

 Vermis wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Much as some WH players are obsessed with jamming too much fluff into the minis and rules (usually with the appellation 'special'), I don't think that extends quite as far as haute couture.

Well, you could also look at them and realize that each of the "flavor" of Elves have different established visual aesthetics in terms of their weapons, armor, and shields.

If you want to boil it down to "elves with spears and shields" that's fine, but it's also a disingenuous and lazy argument.

No. Considering the post of the guy you originally quoted, it's pretty appropriate. If GW are going to make generic stat entries for basic troops in each faction in 9th, particularly combined elves, then I'd say 'elves with spears' stands a good chance of being one of those basic entries.
For the umpteenth time, fluff is being confused with (potential) rules. If you want to use models that have the flavour and visual aesthetics of GWs take on eternal guard, or any other wood elves, and make a big deal about them specifically being survivors of Athel Loren, that's perfectly fine; but on paper it won't make them any more than the hypothetical 'elves with spears' unit, or much different to high elf spearmen or druchi dreadspears. And that's fine too. If I plop down a unit of eternal guard, I don't need rules bloat to tell me they're eternal guard. Look: they're right there. The models are eternal guard. Y'see?
Maybe you might get a few little addon rules to tailor them further, maybe, but I gotta say I don't think it'd be hugely necessary.

Conversely, if I want to buy some generic elves clad in basic chainmail (or even saxons or normans with added pointy ears), without some overbearing winding-plants-and-leaves motif, and call them Athel Loren wood elves, I could bleedin' well do that too, given an obliging manufacturer and no GW staff breathing down my neck. Look, there they are: models of elves with spears. They're eternal guard because I say they're eternal guard.

Fun fact: there is no entry for phoenix guard in the Warmaster high elf list, but GW manufactured 10mm phoenix guard models for a while. (An even shorter while than they manufactured other Warmaster minis) I fortunately managed to snag a couple of units of them in a trade, a few years ago. But what to play them as? Spearmen. Elves with spears. Maybe with a magic item buff to reflect their elite nature. I don't need valour of ages or speed of asuryan or cause fear or a 4+ ward save (or whatever they get in WFB 8th) to tell me they're Phoenix Guard. (or to autowin a fight)

I think Warmaster handled armies perfectly. Just enough chrome and special rules to make each army play differently (not necessarily each unit). The thing about mass battle games is that they are kind of about the whole army, and not each individual little guy. The game design is therefore usually different from that of a skirmish game - how an army/factions feels and plays overall takes precedence over each unit being strictly unique.

Hordes of the Things and DBA pull this off perfectly, as even though each unit type is mechanically identical, the different armies play very differently and feel very flavourful.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

- Mark of Grimness = +1 pts/model = unit gains XXX (this is the best value, by far, but requires brand new WYSIWYG models, only sold in boxes of 10)

Dual-kit boxes (featuring both masculine and feminine torsos) with loads of bits everybody totally needs: extra shoulderpads of diverse sizes (all of them oversized anyway) filled with skullz, extra weapons of diverse sizes and designs (all of them oversized anyway) and with skully guards and pommels, skull pendants, skull belts, and even free skullz for you to glue wherever you may want. 50€

 Korinov wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

- Mark of Grimness = +1 pts/model = unit gains XXX (this is the best value, by far, but requires brand new WYSIWYG models, only sold in boxes of 10)

Dual-kit boxes (featuring both masculine and feminine torsos) with loads of bits everybody totally needs: extra shoulderpads of diverse sizes (all of them oversized anyway) filled with skullz, extra weapons of diverse sizes and designs (all of them oversized anyway) and with skully guards and pommels, skull pendants, skull belts, and even free skullz for you to glue wherever you may want. 50€

You work for GW, and have seen them? I'm so jealous!

But oddly, somehow, I don't think the Grimdark Elves are going to be Grimdark enough. No chains and hooks?

Araloth
Cauldron of Blood/Bloodwrack Shrine
Eternal Guard/Wildwood Rangers
Sisters of the Thorn/Wildriders of Kurnous
Witch Elves of Khaine/Sisters of Slaughter
Treeman
Savage Orcs
Night Goblins
Night Goblin Fanatics
Stonehorn/Thundertusk
Mournfang Cavalry
Thanquol and Boneripper
Vermin Lord
Warlord
Grey Seer
Screaming Bell/Plague Furnace
Stormvermin
Stormfiends
Doomwheel
Hellpit Abomination
Nagash
Coven Throne/Mortis Engine
Terrorgheist/Zombie Dragon
Mortarchs
Morghasts
Glottkin
Maggoth Lords
Gutrot Spume
Blightkings
Gorereapers
Wrathmongers
Chaos Spawn
Chaos Warshrine
Chaos Daemons
Ghorgon/Cygor
Grimm Burlockson
Josef Bugman
Runesmith
Ironbreakers/Irondrakes
Gyrocopter

What?

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Mark of Highness = +3 pts/model = unit gains Valour & Marital Prowess

Oh, my...

WhispererofTruth wrote:
Araloth
Cauldron of Blood/Bloodwrack Shrine
Eternal Guard/Wildwood Rangers
Sisters of the Thorn/Wildriders of Kurnous
Witch Elves of Khaine/Sisters of Slaughter
Treeman
Savage Orcs
Night Goblins
Night Goblin Fanatics
Stonehorn/Thundertusk
Mournfang Cavalry
Thanquol and Boneripper
Vermin Lord
Warlord
Grey Seer
Screaming Bell/Plague Furnace
Stormvermin
Stormfiends
Doomwheel
Hellpit Abomination
Nagash
Coven Throne/Mortis Engine
Terrorgheist/Zombie Dragon
Mortarchs
Morghasts
Glottkin
Maggoth Lords
Gutrot Spume
Blightkings
Gorereapers
Wrathmongers
Chaos Spawn
Chaos Warshrine
Chaos Daemons
Ghorgon/Cygor
Grimm Burlockson
Josef Bugman
Runesmith
Ironbreakers/Irondrakes
Gyrocopter

A new faction in 9th?!

Discontinued models list? Unchanged models list? Secret list with hidden code that will unlock the path to rumormongering eternity?... Shopping list?

What are you all talking about? That's just a list of models I put there for nooooooo reason. If you want to read something more into all of this, then go ahead and do that. Go on, do it.

I was surprised I didn't put Sisters of Averlorn there too, I want too, just because you know. But that's just my own personal feeling that they belong ya know what I mean? All those Elves could be a family. Not heard anything that indicates them being part of the family though.

WhispererofTruth wrote:
What are you all talking about? That's just a list of models I put there for nooooooo reason. If you want to read something more into all of this, then go ahead and do that. Go on, do it.

Or, y'know, just tell us and stop being a troll.

Because explaining it would require giving spoilers. Something I'm not going to do due to the fact they will get spread and ruin things for people who don't want to read them, it happens every time. Try not to be so rude.

WhispererofTruth wrote:
Because explaining it would require giving spoilers. Something I'm not going to do due to the fact they will get spread and ruin things for people who don't want to read them, it happens every time. Try not to be so rude.

Why bother posting them then? He wasn't rude, you are trolling. You could use spoiler tags, so 'because spoilers' isn't really an excuse.

WhispererofTruth wrote:
Because explaining it would require giving spoilers. Something I'm not going to do due to the fact they will get spread and ruin things for people who don't want to read them, it happens every time.

So hit the spoiler tag button when you're typing out a post. And if you don't want to post anything at all, well, er, don't post anything, including random lists of minis without context. All that does, like HBMC said, is make you look like a troll. A smug troll, at that.

Try not to be so rude.

Ironic.

WhispererofTruth wrote:

Spoiler:

Because explaining it would require giving spoilers. Something I'm not going to do due to the fact they will get spread and ruin things for people who don't want to read them, it happens every time. Try not to be so rude.

That whatever it was, was the most edgy post I have seen here.

*Tips purity seal*

M'brother.

 Vermis wrote:
So hit the spoiler tag button when you're typing out a post. And if you don't want to post anything at all, well, er, don't post anything, including random lists of minis without context. All that does, like HBMC said, is make you look like a troll. A smug troll, at that.

Posting rumours is about just that: Posting rumours.

What it's not about is going "I know something you don't know!" before putting your pinky to your lip Dr. Evil-style and then acting innocent.

Has a rumour mongering name + joined 6 days ago + posts cryptic information = troll.

its simple troll arithmetic!