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 BrookM wrote:
I'd very much still like an updated Elysian list, thank you very much.

And updated Badab War stuff too, though I guess they are waiting for the new Marine 'dex now... I guess.

And knowing my luck Astartes before Elysians.

 BrookM wrote:
I'd very much still like an updated Elysian list, thank you very much.

What exactly needs updating? Change "Junior/Senior Officer" to "Voice of Command" and you've updated the list. I can think of a lot of things I'd like to see more than an official "update" like that.

 Peregrine wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I'd very much still like an updated Elysian list, thank you very much.

What exactly needs updating? Change "Junior/Senior Officer" to "Voice of Command" and you've updated the list. I can think of a lot of things I'd like to see more than an official "update" like that.

Updated point costs for squads and upgrades, plus inclusion of the new orders would be very fething nice for starters.

 BrookM wrote:
Updated point costs for squads and upgrades, plus inclusion of the new orders would be very fething nice for starters.

You already have the new orders, if you're smart enough to understand that you just change the old-codex references to Voice of Command. So all you'd really be getting from an "update" is new point costs, and the only significant ones are nerfed Vendettas and cheaper carapace armor for veterans. And I guess all of the pistol and CCW upgrades get more expensive, if you really care about those. So really what an "update" means is that the list gets some minor nerfs and doesn't really gain anything. Why exactly is this important?

 BrookM wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I'd very much still like an updated Elysian list, thank you very much.

What exactly needs updating? Change "Junior/Senior Officer" to "Voice of Command" and you've updated the list. I can think of a lot of things I'd like to see more than an official "update" like that.

Updated point costs for squads and upgrades, plus inclusion of the new orders would be very fething nice for starters.

Maybe we will get really lucky and the new Codex will let us run armored, infantry and airborne platoons. I won't hold my breath though. Hell, if anything it will be Codex Astra Militarum: Cadians and then Codex Astra Militarum: Catachans. :/

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I'd very much still like an updated Elysian list, thank you very much.

What exactly needs updating? Change "Junior/Senior Officer" to "Voice of Command" and you've updated the list. I can think of a lot of things I'd like to see more than an official "update" like that.

Updated point costs for squads and upgrades, plus inclusion of the new orders would be very fething nice for starters.

Maybe we will get really lucky and the new Codex will let us run armored, infantry and airborne platoons. I won't hold my breath though. Hell, if anything it will be Codex Astra Militarum: Cadians and then Codex Astra Militarum: Catachans. :/

I wouldn't count on it. Maybe the first two, but airborne was something we had once, had way too much fun with and as such, it was taken away from us because only the Adeptus Astartes are allowed to have fun.

New stuff!

Airbrush paint big set: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Modelling-Supplies/AIRBRUSH_PAINT_RANGE.html
Airbrush metallic set: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Modelling-Supplies/METALLIC_AIRBRUSH_PAINT_RANGE.html
Airbrush clear set: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Modelling-Supplies/CLEAR_AIRBRUSH_PAINT_RANGE.html
World Bearer transfer set: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/WORD_BEARERS_LEGION_TRANSFER_SHEET.html

What are the clear ones? Filters or washes or something else?

I think it's to blend colours together? Seems to be the implication at the bottom of the product description? Also:
Holy gak these are awesome!

Paints look nice enough and I may pick the odd one up now and then but with the Forgeworld Postage Tax, costing more than other brands, the need to thin them and my recent love-in for Tamiya paints in my airbrush means it may be a while before I pick some, if any, up...

Drat. No Warlord...

Phutarf wrote:
Drat. No Warlord...

Like you don't have enough to deal with already with that Cathedral of yours? lol.

 Looky Likey wrote:


What are the clear ones? Filters or washes or something else?

At a guess they are the equivalent of Tamiya clear or Vallejo Candy colours. Extremely thin that shows the base colour through (so tints). I am planning on experimenting with the Tamiya clear on the shoulder pads of my Imperial Knight to get a more metallic blue finish.

They could've released the WB transfers before I made my big order the other day -.-

 zedmeister wrote:
Paints look nice enough and I may pick the odd one up now and then but with the Forgeworld Postage Tax, costing more than other brands, the need to thin them and my recent love-in for Tamiya paints in my airbrush means it may be a while before I pick some, if any, up...

Honestly, you should be thinning everything you put into your airbrush and never doing it 'straight'.

Not really, any brand formulated for an airbrush (and the odd one that isn't) will go through without thinning just fine.

You may choose to thin them further, but it isn't necessarily compulsory.

If you say so...

Any sign of more MkVI armour love?

 Kanluwen wrote:
If you say so...

I have used vellejo paint without thinner and it works fine with a .30 nozzle but must say, thinned is better and easier to clean.

Anyway, £3.73 pounds for a thinned paint????! No thanks!

 Kanluwen wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Paints look nice enough and I may pick the odd one up now and then but with the Forgeworld Postage Tax, costing more than other brands, the need to thin them and my recent love-in for Tamiya paints in my airbrush means it may be a while before I pick some, if any, up...

Honestly, you should be thinning everything you put into your airbrush and never doing it 'straight'.

Game Air, Model Air and Minitaire don't require thinning, they are pre-thinned for Airbrush usage. I'd expect these Airbrush paints to at least be pre-thinned in some fashion.

 zedmeister wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Paints look nice enough and I may pick the odd one up now and then but with the Forgeworld Postage Tax, costing more than other brands, the need to thin them and my recent love-in for Tamiya paints in my airbrush means it may be a while before I pick some, if any, up...

Honestly, you should be thinning everything you put into your airbrush and never doing it 'straight'.

Game Air, Model Air and Minitaire don't require thinning, they are pre-thinned for Airbrush usage. I'd expect these Airbrush paints to at least be pre-thinned in some fashion.

You do need to thin Model Air sometimes. Same with Game Air.

Forge World Airbrush Paints are specially formulated acrylic paints designed to give great results with an airbrush, whilst retaining the perfect consistency for applying with a paint brush. This range of 26 paints includes flat colours and metallics, as well as clear colours which can be combined to create effects such as fades, blends, washes and for changing the shades and tones of other colours.

Forge World Airbrush Paints are ideally suited for using with our Horus Heresy model range, as well as with all other Forge World and Citadel models and scenery.

Forge World Solution is ideal for thinning paints and also for cleaning your airbrush, often the most important and overlooked part of maintaining this essential piece of hobby equipment. It is designed to work with Forge World's Airbrush Paint range.

Forge World Clear Medium is designed to be combined with Forge World's Airbrush Paints to improve their flow and provide a great aid to blending. It can also be used to create translucent effects and make washes and glazes when mixed with any of the paints from the Forge World and Citadel paint ranges.

These great airbrush paints have been created to work alongside the full range of Citadel paints to make your models look amazing!

Well, I just placed an order with Forgeworld for Tempest and a few other things. Also ordered 3 pots of the Phoenician Purple for my EC. Haven't yet found that purple paint that was "just right" for me, so maybe this will be the one. I've only basecoated my EC so far, with the Minitaire Echymose purple, so I'll see if the FW purple will do the job.

The Clear medium should be he same as the Eavy Metal medium (hopefully). If that is the case then this should be a good product indeed.

At £10 for 250ml of the thinner that's comparable maybe even a little cheaper that Vallejo thinners.

Anyone got the paint yet?

So, now we have our first Volkite weapon in the 41st Millenium, how long do people reckon until some of the FW versions will make it into 40k? So far they have been very careful to keep it 30k only, but GW just went and broke that. Interestingly, GW have done it in a way that it is only used by very high-ranking Mechanicus and is therefore very rare at this point, so I expect any inclusion by FW will also be extremely rare and limited to Mechanicus or possibly SMs (maybe the Master of the Forge will get a Volkite option in the next SM codex?).

I'm thinking the Volkite-armed Knight may be one of the first to make it into 40k, maybe as a strict one-per-army model.

I also think it is only a matter of time before we see Imperial Armour Volume X, Warmachines of the Adeptus Mechanicus, although they may wait until there are a few more Mechanicus vehicles in the FW range before they do that, at the moment it would include 5 different types of robot, and about 5 vehicles, which is a bit thin on the ground for an Imperial Armour. Would probably include some kind of Adeptus Mechanicus list too, maybe a 40k version of the Tagmata?

There's a Volkite in the new AdMech codex? Nifty. I was sad when I didn't see one as a relic option in the Skitarii book. Of course, the lesser Volkites like Serpentas and Chargers were never the problem, it was the bigger ones like Calivers and Culverins that had the better strength and range that people had issue with. And neither compare to the scatter laser spam Eldar can do now.

/ramble mode on

Of course, Volkites are really not that bad, anyway. They fill a weapon role that Space Marine's have lacked all this time. Volkites are the medium-to-long ranged anti-infantry weapon for Space Marines, something they haven't had. There is no ranged anti-infantry special weapon, and the only heavy weapon for the job is the heavy bolter, and it basically doesn't do the job. That's always been the problem. People are so used to Space Marines sucking at something, so that when SM actually get something decent for that role, it's a paradigm shift that makes people cry "OP" because they're just not used to it. It's just like the Sicaran hate: you get used to Predators sucking for 10 years, so when SM actually get a good tank, it suddenly seem "OP" in comparison. even though it's basically closer to what they should have had all along. Kind of like if all you've ever had were McDonalds' hamburgers, and suddenly you try a Wendy's burger and you think it's the best burger ever in the whole world, even though Wendy's burgers really aren't the best, they're just far better in comparison to McD's.

/ramble mode off

Anyway, I would like to see some of the 30K Mechanicum stuff become available for a 40K AdMech force. I'm sure Myrmidons and Krios tanks are still around. Maybe even a few Thallax and Battle-Automata lurking as relics on some Forgeworlds. I do think we may see an Imperial Armor book covering the AdMech, but I see it more as one of the IA campaign books like Vraks or Badab, that might introduce a specific army list combining some 40K AdMech with some 30K Mech stuff together to represent the forces of whatever forgeworld is involved in the campaign. Although, truth be told, I would rather just straight up play my Mechanicum army as is. Between the new Necrons and new Eldar, and with new Space Marines on the horizon which will also get crazy formation shenanigans, I expect more people will be willing to play against 30K as the basic mentality will be "eh, can't be worse than Eldar or Necrons."

Honestly I'd rather not wait two+ years for the 30K Mechanicum range to reach a stage that it would support a 40K IA book, I'm hoping they give us Experimental Rules for everything; 40K versions of the automata will be interesting, hopefully they put in the effort and convert them over to the CultMech system for robots, with appropriate Protocols(and I'm not just saying that because I have a cool idea for a Vorax Datasmith based on the Sicarians ).

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Well, I just placed an order with Forgeworld for Tempest and a few other things. Also ordered 3 pots of the Phoenician Purple for my EC. Haven't yet found that purple paint that was "just right" for me, so maybe this will be the one. I've only basecoated my EC so far, with the Minitaire Echymose purple, so I'll see if the FW purple will do the job.

Hexed Lichen from Vallejo is just right for me, although I use the VGC through my AB as I've found the VMA colour to be too translucent and, preferring a black undercoat most of the time, it was near impossible to see where the paint was going.

I sincerely hope Phoenician Purple isn't just Xerus Purple with extra thinners, but suspect that might be exactly what it is.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
There's a Volkite in the new AdMech codex? Nifty. I was sad when I didn't see one as a relic option in the Skitarii book. Of course, the lesser Volkites like Serpentas and Chargers were never the problem, it was the bigger ones like Calivers and Culverins that had the better strength and range that people had issue with. And neither compare to the scatter laser spam Eldar can do now.

/ramble mode on

Of course, Volkites are really not that bad, anyway. They fill a weapon role that Space Marine's have lacked all this time. Volkites are the medium-to-long ranged anti-infantry weapon for Space Marines, something they haven't had. There is no ranged anti-infantry special weapon, and the only heavy weapon for the job is the heavy bolter, and it basically doesn't do the job. That's always been the problem. People are so used to Space Marines sucking at something, so that when SM actually get something decent for that role, it's a paradigm shift that makes people cry "OP" because they're just not used to it. It's just like the Sicaran hate: you get used to Predators sucking for 10 years, so when SM actually get a good tank, it suddenly seem "OP" in comparison. even though it's basically closer to what they should have had all along. Kind of like if all you've ever had were McDonalds' hamburgers, and suddenly you try a Wendy's burger and you think it's the best burger ever in the whole world, even though Wendy's burgers really aren't the best, they're just far better in comparison to McD's.

/ramble mode off

Anyway, I would like to see some of the 30K Mechanicum stuff become available for a 40K AdMech force. I'm sure Myrmidons and Krios tanks are still around. Maybe even a few Thallax and Battle-Automata lurking as relics on some Forgeworlds. I do think we may see an Imperial Armor book covering the AdMech, but I see it more as one of the IA campaign books like Vraks or Badab, that might introduce a specific army list combining some 40K AdMech with some 30K Mech stuff together to represent the forces of whatever forgeworld is involved in the campaign. Although, truth be told, I would rather just straight up play my Mechanicum army as is. Between the new Necrons and new Eldar, and with new Space Marines on the horizon which will also get crazy formation shenanigans, I expect more people will be willing to play against 30K as the basic mentality will be "eh, can't be worse than Eldar or Necrons."

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Ad-Mec-Tech-Priest-Dominus
Can be armed with a Volkite Blaster

Agreed on all your points, although I do like how Volkite is rare just as a thematic thing. Don't think it should be non-existent though, which it was until this weekend. Mymidons definitely still exist, although they may have a different organisation to the HH.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Well, I just placed an order with Forgeworld for Tempest and a few other things. Also ordered 3 pots of the Phoenician Purple for my EC. Haven't yet found that purple paint that was "just right" for me, so maybe this will be the one. I've only basecoated my EC so far, with the Minitaire Echymose purple, so I'll see if the FW purple will do the job.

Hexed Lichen from Vallejo is just right for me, although I use the VGC through my AB as I've found the VMA colour to be too translucent and, preferring a black undercoat most of the time, it was near impossible to see where the paint was going.

I sincerely hope Phoenician Purple isn't just Xerus Purple with extra thinners, but suspect that might be exactly what it is.

I didn't try the Xerus Purple, since I don't buy GW paint anymore, but I did try Reaper's two different purple triads, and neither was exactly what I wanted. Their "clear purple" is very close to what I have in mind, but being one of their clear paints, I don't think it will come out exactly the way I want it. Most of the purples I've looked at either have too much blue in them, or too much red in them. The Phoenician looks like it might be just right, assuming it matches what I see on my screen. The hard part is trying to find the exact purple I want. It's one of those "I'll know it when I see it" kind of things.