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Kesher wrote:yeah who did win? Wait let me guess local guys....

For what it's worth the #2 player was not local. This was his first time at the store (I drove him). The final table game was between myself (again, not affiliated with the club at all and I only really show up to play a friend who lives in the area or to attend the occasional tournament. For what it's worth, I did not even know the scenarios were posted here as until the past 24 hours I think I'd spent maybe 30 seconds on this website) and another gentleman who I had not met before at previous tournaments so will only assume is also not local? Brad (I really hope I didn't screw that up after just 48 hours) can answer for himself though. Feel free to put the tinfoil hat away.

Kesher: I am from Maine. I have never attended a 40k GT in my life. Going into the tournament I knew the guy I drove with and one guy who happens to also play fantasy GTs. I got 3rd overall. I think I am about as unlocal as you can get!

I'll try to help keep things constructive here.

Personally, I thought Mike could have used some help. Good lord, you're gonna take years off your life trying to run everything like that, man! The Big Gunz guys seemed like a really good bunch of gamers, and I *totally* get wanting to play given the Vegas tix up for grabs. But if a few clubmates had sat out and agreed to be Mike's judges/helpers/guy Fridays for the event, I think it would have helped. At least we wouldn't have been worried about Mike's health/sanity that way.

Gorgon: That was not a Big Gunz event. That was Mikes event. They had no say in anything done at the event. If any Gunz helped they did it on their own and not as an official Gunz. The Gunz used their site to pay for the event but nothing else.

That being said, I wonder when Mike is going to post the results.

Panurgle wrote:Gorgon: That was not a Big Gunz event. That was Mikes event. They had no say in anything done at the event. If any Gunz helped they did it on their own and not as an official Gunz. The Gunz used their site to pay for the event but nothing else.

That being said, I wonder when Mike is going to post the results.

Mike is finishing monthly comic order forms, and mostly ignoring things except for about 3 minutes each hour when I take a break to quit cursing marvel. These normally take me a week. Because of the tournament I'm doing them in 2 days, and hopefully have them uploaded soon. If not in by 11pm, I incur hundreds of dollars in losses, and potentially don't get comics for a month. I'll be working on posting results soon as I get that done.

As to your post, please go talk to the ten or so Biggunz that are down here in PA doing the work to set up the event, before you post second hand rumors. There was input from them all along the way.

Technically, the 3 GT's are events run by Mike Clark as the TO. Technically most of the monthly events are done by the Biggunz. Technically Showcase Comics pays the bills, because the Mall, my insurance company, or anyone else that Showcase deals with wants to take payments from Mike Clark or the Biggunz for rent, fire insurance, liability etc.

In reality: The club and I work together to put on all the events. Most of the Biggunz down here have gamed at showcase for years. They became biggunz because a several of the older guys in the Biggunz and I are friends and I encouraged the younger players to join the club.
We all work on the events, and try to change around who plays and who runs them. I was TO for this one, Al is doing the next, in between is a fantasy event this weekend with no real TO, since it's a relaxed event we thought had a dozen people trying out ETC rules. (37 registered, guess people like the ETC rules.) Chris Nanry runs lots of events. Over time, we want all the guys to get experience running things. We also have other clubs coming in to run events. Jay has a two day Bloodbowl event planned. Battlefront is going to run 3 FOW tourneys, etc etc .
Biggunz and I will be somewhat involved in all the events one way or another.

I could have used some more help. I lost two people. One to the drama of working at GW. He ended up having an important meeting on Sunday with not so good news. Not good for anyone, really. The other had to leave on Sunday morning. I still had some help, but not the kind that notices the things that fell through the cracks.

When I realized the scores never got posted, and painting score sheets weren't copied so I could had them back, I was upset. I knew guys had a long drive, and was focused on passing out the prizes and announcing the winners. Results should have been printed and copies available to everyone. In a two day, big GT, they should be posted every round, and the pairings should be posted. We just set up that new bunker in Jan. Probably should have had a computer and printer there. We will by this weekend.

Times up, back to order forms.

How did the tourny go?? And a side note is Showcase an actually "bunker" store now??

As for me, I am not a local; so no, the event was not won by locals. I have been to one other event at Mike's store, a year or so ago, and live about a high speed highway hour away--closer than some, but there are about 5 other stores closer than mike's... though none bigger.

Gorfang, you drove damien? Where do you guys play?

Once more, I'd like to say that I had alot of fun at this event. I felt no favoritism being played as far as locals are concerned. I think the whole organization of the event was pretty solid. I was impressed with the whole turn out. Mike and crew did a tremendous job. I live in Central Jersey and I'm thinking of driving to the Showcase store on a monthly basis just to play some fun casual games with those dudes on a Saturday(It will be nice to play different opponents and different armies besides Nick Nanavati's Nid list all the time at my local game store, The Only Game In Town!). See everyone at the next GT in the North East!!

Later dudes!

I'm based out of the Baltimore area for school so either play at the GW Battle Bunker in Glen Burnie or Games & Comics & Stuff, but Dameon double dips between those two & down where he lives in the DC area at Dream Wizards.

If you ever find yourself south of Delaware feel free to give us a shoutout. Our gaming site's www.innercirclegamingclub.com

We'll be hosting a GT event in July (I think) but also host stuff on about a monthly basis if you want to make the drive.

acastonguay wrote:How did the tourny go?? And a side note is Showcase an actually "bunker" store now??

Showcase has a lot of table space in the actual store, but the bunker is a totally seperate space located in another wing of the mall. It's a small mall, so they're really not that far apart.

I enjoyed the event. Tourney was well run with almost no delays and missions changed due to popular demand. Good job Mike and crew. Every table had Two chairs which I really appreciated because not all of us can stand all day. I had 5 fun games with 4 new people I just met and a friend I haven't played before and learned quite a bit from my games win or lose. First time I was able to squeeze in some 40k in almost a month and I enjoyed it.

Does anyone know when the results will be made available?

NotThisTime wrote:Does anyone know when the results will be made available?

Did you actually just type that? Please read what he has said he will have it within a week as he also runs a business.

Putting these up, apologies for the format. Sorted currently by overall total. We'll be putting out a PDF on the BIggunz site that's easier to read, and has army names, etc.

PLAYER NAME PT C R1 R2 R3 R4 R5 BP OVL
Bradley Nichols 11 14 21 21 22 18 11 93 118
Dameon Green 16 15 21 21 14 12 18 86 117
Tim Huddak 14 5 15 22 7 22 22 88 107
Matthew Cassidy 7 8 15 21 22 8 22 88 103
Alex Fenell 16 2 11 22 20 18 10 81 99
Ted Nagel 15 13 17 11 11 8 21 68 96
Nick Nanavati 13 1 10 21 22 6 21 80 94
Tim Arling 11 8 18 22 12 22 0 74 93
Pat Vetter 16 16 21 11 21 6 1 60 92
Craig Barnes 12 10 21 21 10 10 7 69 91
Chris Nanry 15 17 17 4 16 16 5 58 90
Justin Cook 19 5 18 0 22 14 11 65 89
Mike Belczyk 6 14 22 21 20 4 0 67 87
John McCool 16 11 15 17 2 8 18 60 87
Lou Bronco 17 13 22 0 2 12 21 57 87
Paul Miglino 6 3 14 14 21 10 18 77 86
Mike Ludwig 9 12 18 5 20 0 22 65 86
Richard Therkorn 10 15 4 4 22 22 9 61 86
Al Edel 15 5 17 10 16 12 10 65 85
Justin Hilderbrandt 10 7 22 0 22 22 1 67 84
Steve McDaniel 16 7 8 21 14 6 10 59 82
Andrew Baum 15 12 17 11 6 4 16 54 81
Marc Parker 14 1 11 0 20 22 12 65 80
Bill Bauer 12 15 21 4 16 6 5 52 79
Shane McRoberts 13 5 7 22 12 6 13 60 78
David Johnson 12 0 22 0 12 14 17 65 77
Pat Haynes 10 6 17 11 21 12 0 61 77
Jeff Omundeson 7 9 21 4 12 14 10 61 77
Jesse Schaeffer 17 15 10 12 22 0 0 44 76
Brandon Glackin 14 3 21 4 22 0 11 58 75
Mike Papro 11 16 4 14 0 12 17 47 74
Alex Beisel 12 10 0 21 16 4 5 46 68
Charles Aviles 14 9 4 4 16 10 11 45 68
Jay Powell 11 8 1 0 21 10 12 44 63
Vincent Pau 16 5 0 10 19 2 9 40 61
Matt Wallach 9 8 14 0 21 8 0 43 60
Joe Giuliani 9 10 7 0 6 14 12 39 58
William Ransdale 6 11 0 22 0 6 11 39 56
Michael Johnson 6 14 0 22 10 0 4 36 56
Chris Showers 16 4 0 14 8 10 3 35 55
Matthew Shestack 16 5 12 0 22 0 0 34 55
Joesepth Miles 10 12 7 5 12 4 5 33 55
Tony Spino 14 14 0 14 0 6 7 27 55
William Stock 10 13 0 4 2 8 12 26 49
Sean Downey NA 6 1 4 22 14 NA 41 47
Richard Stien 8 7 0 14 16 0 0 30 45
Alex McLaren 8 5 5 0 6 12 5 28 41
Tom Neidbala 11 5 0 4 2 14 4 24 40
Rob Conner 4 14 4 4 6 0 5 19 37
Chris Frka 6 0 0 0 10 8 11 29 35
Brian Schmidt 7 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 20

Empchild:

I must have missed that one but I did indeed type it. I appreciate you noticing and the candor.

As you have seen, the results have been posted, thanks Mike.

Wow, I came in 6th?!

I never woulda' thought it.

Thanks for a great weekend, I hope to make the trip again real soon for another event.

Hello all,

For those of you who don’t know me, my name is Mike Ludwig I am the Vice President of BigGunz-NE.

I am making a few clarifications on the statements being made.
First off, the St. Valentine’s Day massacre held last weekend was both a BigGunzNe event and a Showcase Comics event.
We are in partnership in working on improving the space and ensuring quality events are held there.

Mike Clark was the T.O for the SVDM,
But the The BigGunz-NE club members helped with, all aspects of the event:
From judging comp, developing the scenarios, providing refreshment, making terrain, helping to judge paint, developing the web portal for registration, promotion of the event, cleaning, ensuring the saftey of the players and their belongings, and the 100 other smaller details it was a joint effort.
Our YoungGunz-NE and BigBunz-NE members have been constantly working to the best job we could, and give anyone who attended a great tournament experience.

That being said, improvement can ALWAYS be made, both Mike and the officers of the club will be taking in all of your feedback.
Our goal is and shall always be to promote the hobby and improve the gaming community.
This can only be accomplished by listen to everyone’s feedback, then evaluating it and making changes that will be positive to our goals.

I understand that some players were frustrated, but this is a learning process, and we will be making changes as we learn more to improve the experience.
We hope that you will continue to provide positive feedback to both Mike and the BigGunz-NE, so we can continue to make our events better for all.

Thank you,
Mike Ludwig
Vice President BigGunz-NE

swarmlord HQ
3 tyrant guard HQ NOT COUNTED
3 hive guard ELITE
2 zoanthropes in a pod ELITE
3 zoanthropes in a pod ELITE
28 Hormaguants with poison TROOP
27 Hormaguants with poison TROOP
14 Termigaunts TROOP
10 Genesteelers TROOP
Tervigon COUNTS AS TROOP

5 troops , 3 elites and 1 HQ with a guard is a 1 comp really, is that what a hardest of the hard army looks like, THAT'S the army that everyone fears.

so the all mech eldar with 3 heavys gets a 16
the 6 dread in pods marine gets 13 was it.
all mech vetern, 3 vendetta guard gets a 5

I am just going to have to call bs or shenanigans , which ever applies.

And I was told at the event by justin cook I had a 10, and prior to this I talked to mikal on the phone and he said that I should be fine when I told him my list. I don't feel fine with a frelling 1

If you are going to have comp. have a check list or just SAY ahead of time that I, we , the judges are going to hose anyone we feel like.

FLIGHT FROM FLORIDA TO PHILLY---$250
TOURNAMENT ----------$60
HOTEL-----------------------------------$200
MEALS AND DRINK---------------------$100

GETTING SCREWED BY LOCAL-------PRICELESS

I kinda like Comp....but this seems rough....

That army is not a low comp army at all - may not be a super high comp - but a 1???? It's at least middle of the road...

No Mawloc, Trygon, Carny.....more troops than anything else - and not min-sized units....

Ouch....

Ludwig wrote:
I understand that some players were frustrated

Yeah but seriously some players were frustrated BEFORE the event, so you guys knew to be on the up and up, and failed at it. I'm sorry but when you tell a player he had a 10 comp and then actually he had a 1, you become a liar. A flat out liar. You lied to IMHO one of the best tourney players in the USA, and hes calling you out on.

I'm sorry but this THIS is out of control. The results are blatant, and unacceptable.

I understand help bailed on you but you know what that's no excuse and here's why. I go to mechanicon, I meet a lot of cool dudes and you know what NONE OF THEM PLAYED IN THE EVENT. I didn't even know Tony or Doug were good at 40k till I talked to them. For these guys running the event was more important. You have a whole gaming group sir, these guys (mechanicon) are like 6 dudes and they put on one of the best events I've been to period. Don't hide behind making comic orders, running a shop etc. You should not have done this event if you couldn't complete the task.

We need to move on from here, and to do it you both (mike) are going to have to apologize. That's it say your sorry, don't deflect, don't redirect, say you were wrong because you were.

Wow, I heard you had gotten the highest comp score for nids. I had also heard from another nid player that you had a 10. I think they might of screwed up on the input and accidently left off the 0. Had you gotten a 10 you would have been 11th I think. Still wouldnt have put you in price support.

If it was a mistake, they happen. It happened to me at the Necro in '07. Messed my score up by a few points. But they fixed it post tournament. So dont be too quick to call bs or shenanigans. Give Mike a second chance to check the numbers.

Except that he played another 1 round 1 or 2 which means it's probably not a mistake. It means the guy that told him his score probably made a mistake. That is a really soft 'Nid list. So was Yermom's. Grading like that just encourages people to say to hell with it and bring the nastiest thing they can and score it back via BP's/Painting.

If you guys check out the final scores and remove the comp scores, it doesnt affect the top two spots I think. It would move a few people around, but not affect the prized tickets.

Empchild wrote:

NotThisTime wrote:Does anyone know when the results will be made available?

Did you actually just type that? Please read what he has said he will have it within a week as he also runs a business.

Seems a valid question to me.

actually the 1 explains a few things to me

I played nick in round one and he had a 1
I played alex in round two and he had a 2

me and alex actually asked mikal at the start of our game how we are playing each other and he said there were a bunch of different factor or something and moved on.


Pat Haynes 10 6 17 11 21 12 0 61 77

EXAMPLE 2

my bro shane mcroberts had a 7 comp with his foot sloggin sisters and played a vulkin 2 flame tank landraider vulkin list on turn one(the really hard match up). his opponent had a 5 comp. so how did he play him when there was a guy with a six comp.
if it is being done fair there is no way it is possible.

but me and shane had our club name next to our names when we checked in, I never said I was in a club and i bought both our tickets.

I think the club name was put there by someone that recognized you guys from previous events. there were a lot of people there that play in big events.

Littlbitz wrote:Wow, I came in 6th?!

I never woulda' thought it.

Thanks for a great weekend, I hope to make the trip again real soon for another event.

A-ha!

So you're Ted Nagel then?!?

Panurgle wrote:If you guys check out the final scores and remove the comp scores, it doesnt affect the top two spots. It would move a few people around, but not affect the prized tickets.

You are right I should have won my games but unless I maxed them all out I was screwed out the gate

That is called a stacked deck

maybe an unfair advantage even

This is the problem with local run events

Panurgle wrote:If you guys check out the final scores and remove the comp scores, it doesnt affect the top two spots I think. It would move a few people around, but not affect the prized tickets.

Not true, it affected the pairings which resulted in the final scores themselves.

Gah!

I've been found out...