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mxwllmdr wrote:Your sense of scale and proportion are a talent that eludes me, Black....

I have to work so very hard to get things like that right and it seems to come so naturally to you....




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Also, I had not realized that you and Jabba were bumping my Reaver thread so highly. Thank you so very much. Coming from you two I consider that very high praise, indeed.....

Please, please; my modesty............ in turn I am in awe of the speed in which you produce your projects and completely believable interiors as well.

So now that the mutual admiration is dispensed with (Hey I am the Blackadder) I have a request. It strikes me that you actually have a Mars Reaver Titan and I would sorely wish to see the bottom of the feet. the tread as it were.

Why you ask? Because I want to extrapolate a viable tread for a Warlord.

Seeing as how I am virtually copying another's work I need to maintain my self-respect by articulating this beastie. and need an image of the soles of the feet. I would ask Jabba but he is otherwise busy and I would not dream of interrupting such an important quest.



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Why are my messages not appearing?

Thats what ibwas wondering. i had to search through all posts by you to find where this was posted. also it is apparently on page six which doesn't show up on the page number links......


But to your question: I do not own a forgeworld reaver. Have never even seen one in person. All my proportions and scale and details have been taken from photos that others have posted on their threads....

PM me with an email, though, because i do have some phots available to me of the bottom of a reaverz foot....


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I will say that the toes are very close to what you see on a warhound but the pad otself is fairly neat and unique....


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No meed for an email black. look at this....








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I think that is good for a warlord footpad. Don`t you?

You all know this is photoshop right?


(yes yes it took THAT THING to bring me out of dakka hybernation)


NICE THREAD BTW DONT MEAN TO JACK IT

photoshop or not its disgusting. requires clensing via Banewolf chem cannon or Hellhound Inferno Cannon.

Anyways. Warlords are awesome and the only titan i've seen in person was a reaver titan (in the store's display case), i think it was a reaver titan anyways.

The_Blackadder wrote:.... I would ask Jabba but he is otherwise busy and I would not dream of interrupting such an important quest.

Lol, right.
I have bad news concerning the Reaver, as I've been cleaning up the extra resin they include, the actual mechanics of the robotic assemblies is... What is the word that means the opposite of functional? The Warhound has a beautiful design that you can actually see how this war machine works (in theory). The Reaver is a sad comparison. Your request for the foot photo got me thinking about how the toes attach and how you would approve at all. The hip assembly alone doesn't have enough room for movement to account for greater than a few degrees of travel.

jabbakahut wrote:
I have bad news concerning the Reaver, as I've been cleaning up the extra resin they include, the actual mechanics of the robotic assemblies is... What is the word that means the opposite of functional? The Warhound has a beautiful design that you can actually see how this war machine works (in theory). The Reaver is a sad comparison. Your request for the foot photo got me thinking about how the toes attach and how you would approve at all. The hip assembly alone doesn't have enough room for movement to account for greater than a few degrees of travel.

Damn I wish bigmek didn't repeat the girl with the bobbles and wats again I'm still trying to expunge that image from my mind.

Warning! science content

I'm still trying to figure out how these damned things walk. Normally a biped puts itself forward off balance with it's toe pressure and then throws its trailing leg forward to keep from falling on its face to achieve ambulation. That is why it is so hard to make a biped robot. The subtleties of balance would have to be controlled by computers much as the new stealth aircraft need to fly but much more complex plus the micro controls required to dampen down the side to side rocking we take for granted. Watch an infant learning how to walk. They rock side to side with a stiff-legged gait and when they lose balance they sit down. A field of Titans walking would be a comical sight indeed and their opponents would run the risk of laughing themselves to death which may be the desired intent.




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mxwllmdr wrote:Thats what ibwas wondering. i had to search through all posts by you to find where this was posted. also it is apparently on page six which doesn't show up on the page number links......


But to your question: I do not own a forgeworld reaver. Have never even seen one in person. All my proportions and scale and details have been taken from photos that others have posted on their threads....

PM me with an email, though, because i do have some phots available to me of the bottom of a reaverz foot....


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I will say that the toes are very close to what you see on a warhound but the pad otself is fairly neat and unique....


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No meed for an email black. look at this....








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I think that is good for a warlord footpad. Don`t you?

Perfect, Thanks I figured FW would expend a lot of energy on never seen detail.

The post disappearing was just page rollover.

If you click the last page again, and scroll to the bottom the lost post/s will be there.

No Vit page 6 itself didn't show up until i posted a reply....

but both posts were on it. it was wierd....

Bipedal mechanical motion is possible but it would be funny as heck to see on that scale.

just look up that robot made by toyota. that thing was funny looking and its gait was like something out of a Steve Martin SNL skit..

Yeah but you would click 5, if the posts dont show.

Does it on Gits' blog all the time, something to do with replies all coming at the same time i think.

I just thought it was very odd....

The Blackadder wrote:
Perfect, Thanks I figured FW would expend a lot of energy on never seen detail.

Of course they did... As Par Usual.

I think they do it to keep us scratchers on our toes.....

Sauced as I am to the gills on triple Martinis I am also assembling the toes of this beastie. hic! I can't wait to see how poorly this come out on the morrow. Who knows I might need that added disorientation to further this project.

BTW, never fear I haven't forgotten the Thunderhawk but I need a change of venue.

I wouldn't be surprised to find they turn out quite well, Black......

In a contradiction to FW energy use, I don't understand why the servitors hardwired into the walls are just caste of each other. I would figure if I'm going to detail and paint the interior and leave the canopy removable, which is what one should do for an 800 model... They couldn't take the time to sculpt a variation instead of just copy/pasting?

It is a cool sculpt anyway.

I agree totally with that little piece of ignorance....

I used two different Heroclix figures for mine on the Reaver.

mxwllmdr wrote:I agree totally with that little piece of ignorance....

I used two different Heroclix figures for mine on the Reaver.

Interesting, I don't see any photos in your gallery, did it work out? Which ones did you use?

I haven't really put a whole lot of photos in the gallery. They are all in my WIP though, in the thread....

It worked out well, IMHO, but of course still needs paint.....

Here comes the weekend and I'll be playing to an empty room. I did manage to cut out most of the basic components of both feet and hope to have them glued together this weekend. I used 2.0 mm for the tread base and the rest is 1.0 mm styrene. This beastie is going to consume a lot of plastic but the fabrication will be a lot easier as all the material will be the same so no problem with glue compatibility which is a big plus.

I'll just add this on:

The octagons are the center of the foot pads and are 2.0 mm thick and about 5.0 x 4.5 inches the larger boxes to the right are the front and back toes and the smaller boxes at the extreme left are the side toes. Both sets of these toes will be movable with hinges. The truncated toe pieces to the far right may or mayn't be movable as I haven't planned that far as yet but the disc will tilt side to side and the top surface will house a semicircular gear shape which will allow the entire foot to tilt forward and aft. This should afford a full range of motion to the feet. The semicircle will have a countersunk screw for the axis and a pal nut on the other side to provide the tension to maintain the various poses.

Ambitious? yes; Possible? most probably, Crazy? almost certainly. Ah but if it works Priceless!

The room won't be empty, I will be there in the back corner taking copius notes....

Why is the foot octagon not square? Was that just a design choice? You get your styrene in bulk sheet from some place at a good price right? Where was that again?

i lurked...now i will be sticking my head out to see how you tackle this... the scientific aproach before was all good and well...but now you are finally cooking^^

good luck to you sir!


vik

jabbakahut wrote:Why is the foot octagon not square? Was that just a design choice? You get your styrene in bulk sheet from some place at a good price right? Where was that again?

Octagon because I hope to make the diagonally place toes articulated as well and since they will hinge down the toe pad will need a recess to withdraw into; 'sides octagons more closely resemble the Reaver foot pads.

I get my Styrene from a local shop that offers it at slightly above wholesale but the supply is dwindling. I may need to source an alternative ere long.

Silly BA, I meant why is the foot pad octagon in a 5x4.5 instead of 5x5? Of course it has to be an octagon! Guess I'm not always clear what I mean, guess the girlfriend is correct.

jabbakahut wrote:Silly BA, I meant why is the foot pad octagon in a 5x4.5 instead of 5x5? Of course it has to be an octagon! Guess I'm not always clear what I mean, guess the girlfriend is correct.

Oh! well I guess the misinterpretation is mine; the pad is of course a square with the diagonal corners cut off but the corner cuts are ≈ to 0.5 cm short in length as the opposing diagonal toes are shorter in width than the side and front/back toes. (There I go mixing metric and imperial measures again.) Hell it makes sense to me!

Makes sense to me, too, Black. But I am concerned about how this thing can be pose-able with all that weight. As I recall the leg joints on My old AT-AT (Dog walkers) from Star Wars were relatively light through their construction yet had some very stiff joints to hold the poses. Do you see this as a problem? And what is this "pal nut" of which you speak?

mxwllmdr wrote:Makes sense to me, too, Black. But I am concerned about how this thing can be pose-able with all that weight. As I recall the leg joints on My old AT-AT (Dog walkers) from Star Wars were relatively light through their construction yet had some very stiff joints to hold the poses. Do you see this as a problem? And what is this "pal nut" of which you speak?

We'll have to see about the weight problem but I'm relatively sure that 5/16th countersunk screws for axles will support a lot more than ten pounds and I can't see this model weighing more than that. As a last resort I can always pin or glue the thing together.

A pal nut is a low profile nut usually used to lock a standard nut. Cheap ones are also called 'single thread nuts' and are stamped out of sheet metal but I mean to make my own (if I can't buy them) with two to three threads by grinding down a standard nut to 2.0 to 3.0 mm and secure it into the styrene in hex shaped recesses.

I'd better post a progress report before I get to far along. In a flurry of productivity I managed to get a good start on the toes. Using Lucie for a scale comparison this thing is gonna be massive or I am way off on my 24 inch tall estimate.

Chrysagon (de la Cruex) is going to have to grow into those feet.

I understand now....


I am so glad to see Lucie again.....

Looking good, as par usual....

Yeah but are these feet too damned big? Compared to Arethusa?

Good God, I typed in 'Arethusa Baneblade' into goolge search and my stuff dominated the image results! Hope FW doesn't see that.

Just looked at the sketch of the Warlord compared to the warhound in the Apocalypse rule book, the foot looks a bit big but you're not far off the mark. I'd stick with it, I've see photos of guys having built Warlords about 4' tall!

This is one of the few föra that I started posting the building of a Warlord almost two years ago ( Has it been that long!!!) My initial attempt was woefully inept as I had very poor and sparse data with which to work. Right now I am pleased that I didn't compromise because the new information I have will produce a more authentic version of this gargantuan mechanical beast. If you view the first page there are images of my goal, the BOLS Dave Smith Warlord and the relative sizes of the Titans in question. As much as my senses tell me that the above pedal appendages are too large the data doesn't lie. Each foot is as large as a Baneblade tank for the height I calculate for a Warlord i.e. ≈125 feet or 38.11 meters. My son's battle boards are approximately 2' by 4' and any figure that is as tall as 24 inches 0.61 meters will completely dominate the board and anything larger is completely ridiculous.