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**Kosake**

battlematt wrote:
Flash gitz have always had the problem of not fitting in the codex. If they are heavy support then they compete with wagons and gunz. If they are elites then they compete with nobz and lootaz. I think they should either drop them or really make them over the top to compete with the others that are no brainers.

They only compete with wagons because
a) they are horribly overpriced for what they give you right now and
b) because they can't take a wagon as dedicated transport.

You want to field terminators? Give those big boys a land raider! You want to field something other than boyz or nobz? Tough luck mate, footslogging it is. Once Flash gitz are more in line with other units' pricing and can get dedicated transports, things will look different. Hell, even regular trukks could be fun. Imagine some upgrade that gives the trukk some sort of invul save and flash gitz the ability to fire at full BS from the back. Drive-by goodness comences. Flash gitz have tons of potential, they just need either a radical points cost decrease or serious buffs (like BS3 at minimum and dedicated transports).

**swcorwyn**

I've found flash gitz to be high priced, but very effective if you roll well. I've evaporated paladins and crisis teams with them, and only once have they been shot off the table. Granted, I run them in the middle of 4 squads of bikes inside a battle wagon. But yes, twin linked or bs3 would fix them alongside a points drop.

**matphat**

This is the part where I start holding my breath in anticipation of June, and an Ork release.

**HairySticks**

xD My hobby spending is on hold for orky goodness

although if its a while... so be it, I've got an unknown amount of painting things to catch up with as many of us do, I suffer from buying more than I paint.

Couldnt begin to guess what kits we will get, but do know what I want lol.
The rumours while sounding good, seem too many and too wishlisty. A few lines of it might happen, some of it would be reasonable. Please prove me wrong xD would love to get that many new kits.

**Stormonu**

matphat wrote:
This is the part where I start holding my breath in anticipation of June, and an Ork release.

Don't turn too blue.

When it comes, it'll do a 'nid job to orks, I suspect.

My guesses:

More Waaugh trait/uses, but will only buff melee.
4-5 kits; a kopta dual kit, a new type of mek (with teleportas), a chariot/cavalry squiggoth kit, a snotling dual kit (snipers w/ BS 2 / suicide boomers) and ork bazerkers (all melee orks).
No new vehicles and breakdown rules for existing units.
New random warp'ead ability table that ensures your guy 'eadbangs before the game ends.

**Kosake**

A copter dual kit...? Dual with what please? Combine two to build a chinork? Just curious.

**Jidmah**

Kosake wrote:
Jidmah wrote:
Kosake wrote:
Just thinking aloud: If all characters without a modell are axed, why is everyone so sure that flash gitz will get a kit instead of being axed?

There is one major problem here: Tank bustas are regular boyz with more explosives than brains. Flash Gitz however are Nobz. Thus, larger modells. So, a Nob/Flash Git-kit would make sense. One could just throw in another sprue of AT weapons to the lootaz/burnaz-kit. Likewise, another sprue of crazy combi-weapons and maybe some ammo-packs turns the regular nobs into decent enough flash gitz.

And then again, GW could just tell us make like a tree and completely squat Flash gitz.

What on earth are you people talking about?

Maybe you should check the orkish heavy support section of the GW homepage. There has always been a model for flash gits. It even was converted from metal to finecast when everything else was.

Are you talking about that one, single, ugly pirates of the morkribean-style model they offer to collectors? Flash gitz are supposed to have supperior weaponry, lots of barrels, additional ammo feeds, energy weapons... basically something that resembles the stuff lootas use, but with more awesome to it.
Not a friggin wooden blunderbus. Also, do you want to field a unit of 10 absolutely identical models?

No, I'm talking about the literal "Falsh git with targeting squig" model that has been available for 11,50€ - 15,50€ in the heavy support section of the ork army ever since 5th edition (maybe even before that IDK).

Whether the model looks good or not isn't even up to discussion. They are available exactly the same way as MANz are, and many other choices (like phantoms) have been until their recent plastic update. So everything about them getting the axe because of lack of models is complete nonsense, because there is an official model available for order from the GW homepage right now*. I even know someone who owns a full unit of those models to go with Badruk.

*disclaimer: Maybe not right now, because they've currently fudged their website. I checked whether it was still available before responding to you the first time, and it was.

**Kosake**

Jidmah wrote:

No, I'm talking about the literal "Falsh git with targeting squig" model that has been available for 11,50€ - 15,50€ in the heavy support section of the ork army ever since 5th edition (maybe even before that IDK).

Whether the model looks good or not isn't even up to discussion. They are available exactly the same way as MANz are, and many other choices (like phantoms) have been until their recent plastic update. So everything about them getting the axe because of lack of models is complete nonsense, because there is an official model available for order from the GW homepage right now*. I even know someone who owns a full unit of those models to go with Badruk.

So yes, there is a single, ugly, ill-fitting monopose miniature you need 10 of to get the squad full. With a wooden blunderbus instead of a snazzgun with 4 barrels, rokkit launcha and souped-up ammo feed.

Seriously, just renaming that thing into "Nob with Shoota" while keeping it in the store would be a way wo kick out flash gitz. I'm hoping for a combi-kit with Nobz or something, but really, that one modell is quite a thin thread to hang on to.

**Juvieus Kaine**

Just for the record, my contact hasn't told me anything new yet, but I'll keep you guys posted once I get something

**Jidmah**

Kosake wrote:
Jidmah wrote:

No, I'm talking about the literal "Falsh git with targeting squig" model that has been available for 11,50€ - 15,50€ in the heavy support section of the ork army ever since 5th edition (maybe even before that IDK).

Whether the model looks good or not isn't even up to discussion. They are available exactly the same way as MANz are, and many other choices (like phantoms) have been until their recent plastic update. So everything about them getting the axe because of lack of models is complete nonsense, because there is an official model available for order from the GW homepage right now*. I even know someone who owns a full unit of those models to go with Badruk.

So yes, there is a single, ugly, ill-fitting monopose miniature you need 10 of to get the squad full. With a wooden blunderbus instead of a snazzgun with 4 barrels, rokkit launcha and souped-up ammo feed.

Seriously, just renaming that thing into "Nob with Shoota" while keeping it in the store would be a way wo kick out flash gitz. I'm hoping for a combi-kit with Nobz or something, but really, that one modell is quite a thin thread to hang on to.

So, what's your point besides failing to admit that you were wrong?

**Kosake**

Jidmah wrote:
Kosake wrote:
Jidmah wrote:

No, I'm talking about the literal "Falsh git with targeting squig" model that has been available for 11,50€ - 15,50€ in the heavy support section of the ork army ever since 5th edition (maybe even before that IDK).

Whether the model looks good or not isn't even up to discussion. They are available exactly the same way as MANz are, and many other choices (like phantoms) have been until their recent plastic update. So everything about them getting the axe because of lack of models is complete nonsense, because there is an official model available for order from the GW homepage right now*. I even know someone who owns a full unit of those models to go with Badruk.

So yes, there is a single, ugly, ill-fitting monopose miniature you need 10 of to get the squad full. With a wooden blunderbus instead of a snazzgun with 4 barrels, rokkit launcha and souped-up ammo feed.

Seriously, just renaming that thing into "Nob with Shoota" while keeping it in the store would be a way wo kick out flash gitz. I'm hoping for a combi-kit with Nobz or something, but really, that one modell is quite a thin thread to hang on to.

So, what's your point besides failing to admit that you were wrong?

How was I wrong? I knew about that one. Saying that one modell is enough to make your unit is like saying that Squats are still in the game since you have lots of fantasy dwarves for conversion.

**Jidmah**

Kosake wrote:
Just thinking aloud: If all characters without a modell are axed, why is everyone so sure that flash gitz will get a kit instead of being axed?

Flash Gits are not a unit without a model.

Yes, there is just one model. Just like there was for phantoms, destroyers, sisters of battles, screamers of tzeench, and about every other metal model out there that was not a character. Not a single one of them has gotten the axe.

There is absolutely no reason to believe that GW would axe a unit with existing, not-out-of-print models for them. Especially not your opinion on the aesthetics of the model. Flash gits are just as likely to get axed as MANz are, because they are in the exact same position.

And heck, of course it looks like a nob with a fancy shoota. Because it is a nob with a fancy shoota.

**Kosake**

Well, thats the whole point... there are actually several MANz and it is most definitely not a fancy shoota, it's something you would expect a grot to have scavanged from the floor of a mekshop.

**Jidmah**

Also, for

Flash gitz are supposed to have supperior weaponry, lots of barrels, additional ammo feeds, energy weapons... basically something that resembles the stuff lootas use, but with more awesome to it.

a snazzgun with 4 barrels, rokkit launcha and souped-up ammo feed.

"If there's one thing the Flash Gitz like more than strutting their stuff, it's using their kustom shootaz to vapourise their enemies. The so-called snazzgunz used by the Flash Gitz vary tremendously in design, but because bucketfuls of teeth tend to encourage a Mek to produce his best work the are all uniformly deadly."

"More dakka: Some Flash gitz pay to have more barrels and scopes attached to their snazzguns."

"Shootier: Weapons have been tinkered to make them Shootier have a larger calibre and heavier ammo [...]"

"Blasta: Really expensive snazzgunz fire crackling energy bolts instead of solid shot."

I'm pretty confident that the weapon the flash git is holding fits the codex description and the pictures of snazzguns perfectly. You are thinking of deffgunz.

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Kosake wrote:
Well, thats the whole point... there are actually several MANz and it is most definitely not a fancy shoota, it's something you would expect a grot to have scavanged from the floor of a mekshop.

Several as in two. One with skorcha and one with TL-Shoota, none with rokkit. Neither posable.

Edit: Pardon me, the shoota one is missing, there is one with rokkit.

**Kosake**

1.

Several as in two. One with skorcha and one with TL-Shoota, none with rokkit

Three and I happen to own TL shootas, burnas and rokkit versions. Can't say about posing, didn't glue them, but can't be more than arm posture.

2.

I'm pretty confident that the weapon the flash git is holding fits the codex description and the pictures of snazzguns perfectly.

You are joking, right?

**Jidmah**

Maybe you open up your codex and flip to page 56 then and check what the ork in the picture is holding.

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Kosake wrote:
1.
Several as in two. One with skorcha and one with TL-Shoota, none with rokkit

Three and I happen to own TL shootas, burnas and rokkit versions. Can't say about posing, didn't glue them, but can't be more than arm posture.

It's pretty much impossible to put the arms in any position but straight forward without a good chunk of greenstuff. They are very similar to other metal models like Thrakka, KFF Mek, or any of the tankbustaz. Without conversion, no posing.

**Kosake**

Did so. A hook in one arm and something spiky in the other, but the angle is crooked and the picture is trunkated, so there's not much to see.

As for posing, yes, that very well may be. I didn't say that MANz were a brilliant example of variety, but it's still better than what you get for flash gitz, at least the modell looks fitting the description and not like something for WHFB.

**Jidmah**

So, even if you are willfully ignoring that the "spiky thing" exactly matches one of the shoota bitz for boyz, you can't ignore that snazzguns are explicitly described as kustom shootaz with the option of additional barrels and higher calibers.The ork is holding a shoota with a higher than usual caliber and an additional barrel.

And even then, there still is a model for flash gits, no matter what you think of it.

Which in turn means that it is highly unlikely for GW to actually drop the flash git entry, since they haven't done that to a wide variety of models in similar situations across multiple codices in the very recent past.

At worst, the single model will stay.

Likely, they get rolled in with some other box, maybe nobz, maybe MANz, maybe a new codex entry.

And if fate hates you, there will be a box of five plastic flash gits all looking pirate-y with eight choices of wooden blunderbusses.

**Kosake**

Jidmah wrote:
So, even if you are willfully ignoring that the "spiky thing" exactly matches one of the shoota bitz for boyz, you can't ignore that snazzguns are explicitly described as kustom shootaz with the option of additional barrels and higher calibers.The ork is holding a shoota with a higher than usual caliber and an additional barrel.

And even then, there still is a model for flash gits, no matter what you think of it.

Which in turn means that it is highly unlikely for GW to actually drop the flash git entry, since they haven't done that to a wide variety of models in similar situations across multiple codices in the very recent past.

At worst, the single model will stay.

Likely, they get rolled in with some other box, maybe nobz, maybe MANz, maybe a new codex entry.

And if fate hates you, there will be a box of five plastic flash gits all looking pirate-y with eight choices of wooden blunderbusses.

Well, if that happens, I just stick to my plan to use Nobz combi-shootas as a starting point for further conversions. I have no problems with the pirate look, but seriously, that blunderbus....

Even the grotz have better-looking armament...

**battlematt**

Wow great waagh inspired argument. My point was that they have never figured out the rules for the flash gitz. I started playing in 3rd Ed. even then, their was no place in a list to run flash gitz.. They can't sell the models because the rules make them so hard to run in a competitive list. They need new models and to be completely reworked rules-wise before anyone will touch them. It might be easier for the company just to give them the AXE.

**Kosake**

battlematt wrote:
Wow great waagh inspired argument. My point was that they have never figured out the rules for the flash gitz. I started playing in 3rd Ed. even then, their was no place in a list to run flash gitz.. They can't sell the models because the rules make them so hard to run in a competitive list. They need new models and to be completely reworked rules-wise before anyone will touch them. It might be easier for the company just to give them the AXE.

And as I said like 2 pages earlier, there isn't that much needed. Make the points cost reasonable, allow for a dedicated transport and boom, you're there. If they can take a battlewagon as a dedicated transport or maybe some sort of ork helicopter, there goes your argument about them blocking your battlewagon slots.
Add Kaptin Badrukk as a unique HQ, making one (or more) squad of gitz scoring and they become autoinclude.

**Clang**

Kosake wrote:
A copter dual kit...? Dual with what please? Combine two to build a chinork? Just curious.

Given GW's love of dual-build kits, a dual-build kopta would make sense.

Just maybe something mental where multiple koptas can be combined to make a larger 'heavy kopta' model (one pilot remaining the pilot, the others becoming gunners or whatever). Potentially cool, although the dual-build WHFB Dwarf copter looks rather naff, so let's hope it's not the same designer.

Or less imaginatively, each model will just have a weapon slot where you choose to either make the shooty version, or the close combat version (as well as ground attack, just maybe they can attack fliers too, along the lines of the rumoured stormboyz rules?), or the whatever-else version. Or the zero imagination option, where we just get the existing kopta models recut slightly to allow big shootas or rokkits.

Not too worried re the models, as we can always loot/convert to create something good. Rules are more of a worry - I'd be amazed if orks don't get some anti-flier stuff, but koptas may not be it.

**Brother SRM**

I don't really know what they could do for a combi-kit with Flash Gitz. Nobz have a very modern, excellent kit, and I don't see that getting replaced anytime soon. Flash Gitz also have Nob profiles and not typical Ork boy profiles, so making a combi-kit with Flash Gitz and Kommandos doesn't make sense either. Unless some kind of new unit were invented, I don't see them as part of a combi-kit.

Kommandos/Tankbustas could work, but you can already make Tankbustas easily with a couple Boyz boxes (as they have rokkits and tankbusta bomms) and that'd knock out two Finecast kits in one go.

**Clang**

But they might retcon Flash Gitz to have boyz profiles instead of Nobz profiles - does the Nob profile really have any fluff justification? Just coz they're the richest and so have the best armour and weapons, doesn't mean Flash Gitz are any better at fighting (at a profile level)...

That's Flash Gitz' biggest rules problem - they don't currently have a unique niche not already occupied by Nobz or Lootas doing the same job. Some tweaking of profile, armour and weapon options could easily change all that.

Or the lazy solution is just to get rid of Flash Gitz entirely (adding some of their options to e.g. nobz), thus making space for some other new units.

**MajorWesJanson**

Brother SRM wrote:
I don't really know what they could do for a combi-kit with Flash Gitz. Nobz have a very modern, excellent kit, and I don't see that getting replaced anytime soon. Flash Gitz also have Nob profiles and not typical Ork boy profiles, so making a combi-kit with Flash Gitz and Kommandos doesn't make sense either. Unless some kind of new unit were invented, I don't see them as part of a combi-kit.

Kommandos/Tankbustas could work, but you can already make Tankbustas easily with a couple Boyz boxes (as they have rokkits and tankbusta bomms) and that'd knock out two Finecast kits in one go.

Flash Gitz/Cyborks maybe? If the torsos are the same as normal Nobz, it would be rather simple- different sets of torso fronts, heads, and arms. And in the process, they could switch over Cyborks from being an upgrade for Nobz to being say an orky servitor retinue for Big Meks.

**Vankraken**

Clang wrote:
But they might retcon Flash Gitz to have boyz profiles instead of Nobz profiles - does the Nob profile really have any fluff justification? Just coz they're the richest and so have the best armour and weapons, doesn't mean Flash Gitz are any better at fighting (at a profile level)...

That's Flash Gitz' biggest rules problem - they don't currently have a unique niche not already occupied by Nobz or Lootas doing the same job. Some tweaking of profile, armour and weapon options could easily change all that.

Or the lazy solution is just to get rid of Flash Gitz entirely (adding some of their options to e.g. nobz), thus making space for some other new units.

Flash Gitz are rich from fighting a lot and being big enough to not have their spoils taken by bigger orks. They have the nob profile because they have grown into nob status from all the fighting and lootin they do. Smaller runtier orks would get that snazz gun taken by a nob who has an eye for da flash. The nob profile fits in game terms as being heavy infantry but the issue with flash gitz is how unreliable the snazz gun is and how horribly overpriced they are after you get most of the needed upgrades. More dakka and blasta are practically auto takes which puts them at 35 points a model but they still have the horrible BS 2 and only assault 2.

IMO nobz need to have eavy armor as part of their base price (20 points after the armor), snazz guns having assault 2 base with an upgrade for twin linked

**Jidmah**

Clang wrote:
But they might retcon Flash Gitz to have boyz profiles instead of Nobz profiles - does the Nob profile really have any fluff justification? Just coz they're the richest and so have the best armour and weapons, doesn't mean Flash Gitz are any better at fighting (at a profile level)...

That's Flash Gitz' biggest rules problem - they don't currently have a unique niche not already occupied by Nobz or Lootas doing the same job. Some tweaking of profile, armour and weapon options could easily change all that.

Or the lazy solution is just to get rid of Flash Gitz entirely (adding some of their options to e.g. nobz), thus making space for some other new units.

Or they move tankbustaz to nob profile

**rothrich**

I don't think flash gitz would get the axe just because of baruk being such a good model. Like I hve said a few pages back they may not really need a model as they are really very easily converted. Perhaps the new ork dex wil encourage conversions for a change and have a big ol' deff skull warboss on the front with his back turned rummaging through a busted up rhino.

**Agent_Tremolo**

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212 wrote:
This is a large release with five plastic kits and
two codices - the main codex and one supplement for blood axe freebooterz.

- a warboss in mega-armour with a "chainblade cleaver"

- a box that makes 3 behemorks, giant orks, as large as a killa-kan. They are stitched-up painboy experiments with giant chainaxes and a cannon that shoots buzz saw-blades. There is a heavily armoured variant with power drills and some sort of shoulder-mounted beam weapon with a tesla coil muzzle.

- a tankbusta combokit for the specialist ork squads

- buggy kit that also makes defflaunchas, halftrakk multiple-rocket-launchers. There is pirate nob either on foot or on the buggy. He was described as a mix of pirate and mercenary. A giant grappling hook replaces his forearm, a custom energy pistol, a bandana and two crossed belts on his breast with trophy fangs. The nob is a new HQ choice called 'ead'unter.

- The last kit is a battle fortress larger than a baneblade. It has a maritime vibe to it. It is basically a huge platform on three tracks with a round gun turret in the middle and several outer gun emplacements. The gun emplacement are not automated or armoured turrets, but open WW2 flak guns operated by orks and gretchins.

The platform has the shape of a star like renaissance-era fortresses with corrugated metal rails. There is an engine section at the rear end under the platform with exaggerated exhaust-chimneys and a crane that puts scrabs into a tank mouth. The main turret superstructure looks like an igloo. It has either a cannon with three barrels, each with a different size and length or a command bridge. On the platform there is either a landing platform including a killa kopta, a missile silo or two double-barreled armoured turrets.

The last options allegedly makes the fortress look like a battleship. There are galley-like trenches in the platform where ork passengers huddle. They are either empty or covered by canvas, so you can only see the bulges made by their heads.

The model has lots of humorous touches. The gretchins all wear spiked bismarck-like helmets. There is an ork bouncer standing at the bulkhead of the command tower.

Look! Yet another bunch of completely off-the-wall ork rumors, courtesy of Natfka!

http://natfka.blogspot.com.es/2014/04/orks-5-new-plastic-kits-codex-and.html

I'm calling these fake. No replacement for some old direct-only finecast kits? Warbuggy kits that contain a standalone new HQ option? A Battlefortress in the main codex? Not happening.

By the way, he also has some highly dubious bits on 7th ed. -that if true would outright kill orks as a viable army- and some interesting info on the rumored Blood Angels vs Orks starter set as well, be sure to check them out, too.

**rothrich**

All of those rumors are from the same guy? That is disappointing. He would have been better off just posting the BA V. Orks starter set stuff. Those were believable. Combine with 7th ed gak and Ork codex gak and you can recognize that everything this guy said was gak. The OP on this thread's gak is more believable than this...