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Problem with this painting nonsense is that most of the people who do look down on those who don't paint are going to do so anyway, regardless of the reason you give them.

I have nerve damage in my dominant arm and cannot hold a brush steady. I've been called lazy on this forum for it. So I don't have a lot of respect to the "eh stop being lazy or get a better reason" crowd because, in my experience, it is not about painting. It is about massaging their self-importance and priorities over others.

 curran12 wrote:
Problem with this painting nonsense is that most of the people who do look down on those who don't paint are going to do so anyway, regardless of the reason you give them.
I have nerve damage in my dominant arm and cannot hold a brush steady. I've been called lazy on this forum for it. So I don't have a lot of respect to the "eh stop being lazy or get a better reason" crowd because, in my experience, it is not about painting. It is about massaging their self-importance and priorities over others.

Everyone has different motivations.
I would strongly encourage painting for others because I have personally been very happy/grateful of the positive comments from those I played about my painted models.
A few people I play against must spend FOREVER painting their stuff, I have to ask to pick up some of the models because is hurts my eyes and hands in sympathy of the work put in.
FREAKING AWESOME to see these in the "common" gaming crowd.

One thing I have found that is consistent: anyone I have met that is a true master at something like painting do not look down on anyone: they love what they do, there is no room for disdain in their heart for others (at least on that topic).
There are show-offs, but you can see it is more work for them because they strive for praise more than anything else.

You know what one of the most annoying things some players do is; constantly bitch and moan about the state of the game, how bad the rules are, how messed up GW is, etc..Just zip it and play the game or move on to something else that does not bring up so many negative feelings for you.

One game I played in recently we actually handed out point deductions for negative comments made while playing. It was nice to not have those kinds of comments going on during a game.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:
my only issue with the "dont have time crowd" is this: sit out from 1 or 2 games, paint your models to bare basic, basecoat and color the gun, with 40k, you could go through 20 models in an hour and make the game way more enjoyable for everyone. if you hate painting dont, but find a better excuse then "dont have time" please.

Some people enjoy playing more than painting. Who cares?

I do care. I spent a lot of time and effort on my armies so that they'll look nice on the table, and I don't really enjoy seeing them fight a blob of grey plastic. This is not meant as an insult to people who don't enjoy painting, it's just a statement of fact: grey plastic is ugly.

Watching nicely painted miniatures on the tabletop is part of the enjoyment I get from this hobby. If I only cared about the game, the rules and pure strategic elements, I'd play chess instead - it's got perfect balance, zero randomness and zero unnecessary fluff elements getting in the way. And you don't have to waste valuable time painting your pieces.

But Warhammer is a game about miniatures, i.e. small pieces of art that's designed to be painted. They simply look a lot better when they're painted, and thus painted armies add enjoyment to the game while unpainted armies detract enjoyment from it. Also, priming and basecoating an army (which is usually enough to make it look more appealing) isn't really that time consuming. It doesn't even require any serious skill, but it will make the game a lot more enjoyable for everyone involved.

Claiming you don't have time for it is ridiculous - if you're years into this hobby and play every week, you can find the time to spray your models and use one of the commonly used techniques for speedpainting that are easily learned through youtube. Now if you say you don't want to, fine - just don't expect people who actually painted their models to enjoy playing against your blob of grey.

Cheaters and cheese lists.

I've made a thread about having a bit of a miserable time of late, but that's minor compared to the massive irritation I've had to deal with since unbound armies were a thing.

Necron player (ofc) asks for a 750pts game, I say sure. I field a selection of troops, elites, vehicles and the like. He fields... seven models. Total. I have no idea what they're called, a big ass walker that I was only able to kill because I got lucky with a chainfist (15 armour all around, wat), about five elite troops of some sort and two HQ's.

They could teleport across the board like deep striking, only they didn't have to roll scatter. Were near invincible in CC and via shooting, and made my own wolf lord slaughter his own squad.

Absolute piss-take. I can normally stand losing if I felt like I had a chance, but when six models bounce all overt he board slaughtering everything I have by themselves I get irritated.

Thankfully another guy was watching, he nudged me and muttered "watch this" and got out a Wraithknight and Imperial knight. 750pts, it checked out. he tabled the Nec player in a single turn and whipped the cheese-eating grin off his face. I was still packing away my stuff!

Similarly, a guy was friendly enough to lend me an ork army to try out Fantasy against a Dwarf player. I lost, badly. Namely because he had cannons and I didn't. At the time I chalked it up to it being my first match, but I spotted frowns on nearly everyone's faces (Except the dwarf player as he killed the last ork). Someone picked up the new dwarf rulebook and like a wizard totalled up his points, he turned and said in a very clear, loud voice "You realise you have five -hundred- more points than him?" Silence... followed by "That cannon alone is almost half that, plus <elite dwarf unit of some kind> plus <extra rank of dwarf soldiers>". The guy tried to excuse himself by claiming he hadn't "read that far" in the new dwarf book yet. Everyone just gaped at him, and sadly my first go at fanstasy was soured (At the time I figured in fantasy I'd enjoy it more as I could get in melee without being blown to bits at range. A wood Elf game later proved this wrong.)

I find myself guilty of one thing in this list (in 5th, when it was fast to make a list): I would show up, someone would ask for a game, I'd ask point size, and build a list in 5-10 mins, usually a mild variant on a list I always ran (never tailored, just wanted to try something new). So somebody would have to wait 5-10 mins for a game, then they'd tease me how daemons weren't competitive in early 5th, I'd smoke em, and they'd be incredulous. I'm sorry...I know how to run a codex everyone underestimated. You were saying? I don't have a dog in this race though, haven't touched 7th with my own models, let alone a friend's.

Always shower, regular clothes, rolled dice and always let my opponent inspec them before removing them. I was the ideal player, except the 5-10 min wait. My armies were never fully unpainted, they were always constantly being continued and work always showed progress.

Ranor wrote:

Necron player (ofc) asks for a 750pts game, I say sure. I field a selection of troops, elites, vehicles and the like. He fields... seven models. Total. I have no idea what they're called, a big ass walker that I was only able to kill because I got lucky with a chainfist (15 armour all around, wat), about five elite troops of some sort and two HQ's.

They could teleport across the board like deep striking, only they didn't have to roll scatter. Were near invincible in CC and via shooting, and made my own wolf lord slaughter his own squad.

Tell him to use an existing codex instead of models he made up next time. Except for the mind-shackle scarabs (your guy beating himself to death), those things don't actually exist.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

Ranor wrote:

Necron player (ofc) asks for a 750pts game, I say sure. I field a selection of troops, elites, vehicles and the like. He fields... seven models. Total. I have no idea what they're called, a big ass walker that I was only able to kill because I got lucky with a chainfist (15 armour all around, wat), about five elite troops of some sort and two HQ's.

They could teleport across the board like deep striking, only they didn't have to roll scatter. Were near invincible in CC and via shooting, and made my own wolf lord slaughter his own squad.

Tell him to use an existing codex instead of models he made up next time. Except for the mind-shackle scarabs (your guy beating himself to death), those things don't actually exist.

5 Lychguard with Hyperphase Swords and Dispersion Shields (220 points)
1 Cryptek with Veil of Darkness (60 points)
1 Necron Overlord with Mindshackle Scarabs, plus possible other upgrades (105 points minimum)
1 Triarch Stalker with possible upgrades (150 points minimum)

535 points base.

Of course, this doesn't mean your opponent wasn't cheating.

Ranor wrote:
Cheaters and cheese lists.

I've made a thread about having a bit of a miserable time of late, but that's minor compared to the massive irritation I've had to deal with since unbound armies were a thing.

Necron player (ofc) asks for a 750pts game, I say sure. I field a selection of troops, elites, vehicles and the like. He fields... seven models. Total. I have no idea what they're called, a big ass walker that I was only able to kill because I got lucky with a chainfist (15 armour all around, wat), about five elite troops of some sort and two HQ's.

They could teleport across the board like deep striking, only they didn't have to roll scatter. Were near invincible in CC and via shooting, and made my own wolf lord slaughter his own squad.

Absolute piss-take. I can normally stand losing if I felt like I had a chance, but when six models bounce all overt he board slaughtering everything I have by themselves I get irritated.

Thankfully another guy was watching, he nudged me and muttered "watch this" and got out a Wraithknight and Imperial knight. 750pts, it checked out. he tabled the Nec player in a single turn and whipped the cheese-eating grin off his face. I was still packing away my stuff!

For Starters The only necron walker is a triark stalker. and its AV13 front and side not 15. its still strong but not 15. (also if you pen it it gets droped down to av 11 IIRC)
There was probably a veil tek in there but he should be scattering (unless i missed a FAQ)
Did he charge you after scattering? if so thats a no go.

Honestly #1 thing. if something seems really REALLY strange or seems off ask to see his book and read it. there should be no excuses from them.

you should learn your enemies and know whats up

 Happyjew wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:

Ranor wrote:

Necron player (ofc) asks for a 750pts game, I say sure. I field a selection of troops, elites, vehicles and the like. He fields... seven models. Total. I have no idea what they're called, a big ass walker that I was only able to kill because I got lucky with a chainfist (15 armour all around, wat), about five elite troops of some sort and two HQ's.

They could teleport across the board like deep striking, only they didn't have to roll scatter. Were near invincible in CC and via shooting, and made my own wolf lord slaughter his own squad.

Tell him to use an existing codex instead of models he made up next time. Except for the mind-shackle scarabs (your guy beating himself to death), those things don't actually exist.

5 Lychguard with Hyperphase Swords and Dispersion Shields (220 points)
1 Cryptek with Veil of Darkness (60 points)
1 Necron Overlord with Mindshackle Scarabs, plus possible other upgrades (105 points minimum)
1 Triarch Stalker with possible upgrades (150 points minimum)

535 points base.

Of course, this doesn't mean your opponent wasn't cheating.

yes, and none of those things do what was described.

- As others have said, people who can't tell where the scatter die is pointing.
I probably am going to paint a straight line in the middle of the arrows. Such shenanigans.

- People who don't know their own codex's rules. If you field it, you need to know how it works.
BRB rules are slightly excusable, since they are labyrinthine. I still find stuff I never knew (Basilisks can shoot inside minimum range via Barrage).

- Being called a Rules Lawyer after correcting someone playing their codex rule wrong.
Guy tried to switch his Special Issue Ammunition for Overwatch with Sternguard Veterans. I asked if he had to use the same ammo from his shooting phase. He said he wasn't sure. I look it up and see that he does have to. To my face, "Rules Lawyer" *shakes his head*.

- Opponents who utter crap under their breath (barely).
"Pansy Eldar." I couldn't believe it! I make a few 5++ saves and he gets pissy! I won that game with 2 models left on the board and he still sulked.

- When your opponent "fails to mention" he is rolling dice.
I thought I had shot a troop unit off an objective, so my unit moves away to attack another. Turns out he had one Marine left (hidden well behind a hill, tourney tables were packed so I couldn't get around to his side), who "passed" an unannounced Morale check that turn. Cost me the game by 1 VP.

niv-mizzet wrote:

VanHallan wrote:
See, but you're missing the point just so you can use the same tired argument that all of you non painters always use.

There are plenty of things in life that I don't enjoy. 90% of the reason is because I suck at them.

Do I have to be a good cook to enjoy eating? Nope. Do I have to be a good painter to play 40k? Nope.

But to say I "don't have time to cook" is nonsense. "I don't have time to paint." is nonsense.

No one who plays 40k, given that they have time to collect, assemble, and play games can possibly be in position to suggest that they don't "have time" to paint.

If they say they dont like to paint, that's fine. No argument. They must suck at painting. I suck at playing the piano. It doesn't mean people who had time to get good at piano have no life. They just *chose* to spend their time learning something that I didn't.

Personally I find the initial statement demeaning to people who spend time to actually get good at something so that the person who posted it can get a false sense of pride out of their sheer laziness to progress in one area of life. Maybe they wouldn't like painting, but it has NOTHING to do with being too busy to paint. That is just pure BS, so I'm calling him on it. If you don't like it, aww shucks.

I think some of your other responders are misunderstanding what you're saying, but I totally get it. When people clearly have time for something and just say "don't have time," it comes across as derogatory towards those who did make time for it. Like "my life is busier and more important than yours." Seriously, everyone has at least an hour or two laying around in their typical day. You don't have to spend the whole chunk painting, but you could just basecoat a model in like 5 minutes, and then enjoy your other 1:55.

Instead of lying, they could just say "I'm a terrible painter, and wouldn't be happy with my own work," or something similar.

I never believe anyone who says "I don't have time" unless they show me their 3.5 full time high-activity jobs that they have simultaneously. I just assume their lies are actually code for "I hung out too late then slept in today."

I understand the painting issue. It's actually kind of hard to make yourself sit down and go on a painting spree. What I've done is spend a few minutes prepping things in my paint area at home, like getting the models out and such. Get home from work, either basecoat or paint one detail on like 3 similar models in 5 minutes, toss my paint water and do it again the next night.

but even if they have no job and chose to spend their time playing video games instead, its still what their priorities re that decide what should be done.
if they have 8 hours to a day, and they decide to glue thier models together and use all the time they can playing a game (of 40k) or reading fluff or admiring panting (because iorny) then they dont have the time, because their priorities are getting the models together for a game of strategy and daring, not painting models.

granted i love painting models, and i love playing my fully painted army against my best buds mostly (and yes i would prefere fully just for the awesome aesthetics) but i will be starting some SM soon and i wont be painting them for a long while due to lack of time. i am not doing it wrong because of this. i am busy and have a life (not really) and someone who wastes 10 hours painting a single arm one one basic troop has a life too. his life is made by his (insert *her* for the mythical fembot gaming girl) own choices.

and if you want proof of my fully slotted schedule you can ask any marine or sailor who went through "A" school. we have zero time to ourselves (literally, the government owns it all)

and even before that, i worked and free time was for other family activities. so i had no time (or life)

 Farseer Pef wrote:
- As others have said, people who can't tell where the scatter die is pointing.
I probably am going to paint a straight line in the middle of the arrows. Such shenanigans.

- People who don't know their own codex's rules. If you field it, you need to know how it works.
BRB rules are slightly excusable, since they are labyrinthine. I still find stuff I never knew (Basilisks can shoot inside minimum range via Barrage).

- Being called a Rules Lawyer after correcting someone playing their codex rule wrong.
Guy tried to switch his Special Issue Ammunition for Overwatch with Sternguard Veterans. I asked if he had to use the same ammo from his shooting phase. He said he wasn't sure. I look it up and see that he does have to. To my face, "Rules Lawyer" *shakes his head*.

- Opponents who utter crap under their breath (barely).
"Pansy Eldar." I couldn't believe it! I make a few 5++ saves and he gets pissy! I won that game with 2 models left on the board and he still sulked.

- When your opponent "fails to mention" he is rolling dice.
I thought I had shot a troop unit off an objective, so my unit moves away to attack another. Turns out he had one Marine left (hidden well behind a hill, tourney tables were packed so I couldn't get around to his side), who "passed" an unannounced Morale check that turn. Cost me the game by 1 VP.

Yeah, it's annoying when people only want to use some rules and not others - and get irritated when you want to use 'all' the rules. Either play the game by all the rules or don't - but don't think that your opponent is being unfair when they want to check a rule.

 Acephale wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:
my only issue with the "dont have time crowd" is this: sit out from 1 or 2 games, paint your models to bare basic, basecoat and color the gun, with 40k, you could go through 20 models in an hour and make the game way more enjoyable for everyone. if you hate painting dont, but find a better excuse then "dont have time" please.

Some people enjoy playing more than painting. Who cares?

I do care. I spent a lot of time and effort on my armies so that they'll look nice on the table, and I don't really enjoy seeing them fight a blob of grey plastic. This is not meant as an insult to people who don't enjoy painting, it's just a statement of fact: grey plastic is ugly.

Watching nicely painted miniatures on the tabletop is part of the enjoyment I get from this hobby. If I only cared about the game, the rules and pure strategic elements, I'd play chess instead - it's got perfect balance, zero randomness and zero unnecessary fluff elements getting in the way. And you don't have to waste valuable time painting your pieces.

But Warhammer is a game about miniatures, i.e. small pieces of art that's designed to be painted. They simply look a lot better when they're painted, and thus painted armies add enjoyment to the game while unpainted armies detract enjoyment from it. Also, priming and basecoating an army (which is usually enough to make it look more appealing) isn't really that time consuming. It doesn't even require any serious skill, but it will make the game a lot more enjoyable for everyone involved.

Claiming you don't have time for it is ridiculous - if you're years into this hobby and play every week, you can find the time to spray your models and use one of the commonly used techniques for speedpainting that are easily learned through youtube. Now if you say you don't want to, fine - just don't expect people who actually painted their models to enjoy playing against your blob of grey.

Some people legitimately don't have time. Besides, some people don't like to paint. If you don't want to fight someone's grey army, that's fine. I absolutely agree, I would rather watch two painted armies duke it out than a grey slaughter. But I don't get why there is some elitist attitude painters have towards non-painters

 jreilly89 wrote:


Some people legitimately don't have time. Besides, some people don't like to paint. If you don't want to fight someone's grey army, that's fine. I absolutely agree, I would rather watch two painted armies duke it out than a grey slaughter. But I don't get why there is some elitist attitude painters have towards non-painters

I suppose it has to do with pride.

If I spent countless hours and incredible effort on something, naturally I'm going to take pride in it. If I've become a good painter through a long and slow learning process and painted my armies to a high standard, it will come as no surprise that I'll consider my armies aesthetically superior to an army of unpainted models.

If that's "elitist", so be it. It's a fact of life that some people are better than others at certain things. I'm a mediocre guitarist at best, but I wouldn't dream of calling my mate (who is a great guitarist by any standard) an elitist because he doesn't pretend that we're on the same level. He is simply better than me at playing the guitar - partly because he's more talented and partly because he's spent countless hours practising and playing.

On the other hand, I'm a better drummer than him and none of us pretend otherwise either. Now if someone who bought a bass guitar but can't play it at all showed up at a gig and demanded to play with us we'd naturally refuse - the result would be inferior and mostly embarrassing to listen to. Is that elitist? Perhaps, but both the band and the audience prefer it that way. And the guy with the bass guitar could just start practising and get better, instead of expecting the world to lower itself to his standards.

Now if he hates practising and prefer watching TV instead while the bass guitar ends up in the closet, fine. But then he cant' really count on being treated like he's in a band - owning an instrument doesn't make you a musician.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:

Ranor wrote:

Necron player (ofc) asks for a 750pts game, I say sure. I field a selection of troops, elites, vehicles and the like. He fields... seven models. Total. I have no idea what they're called, a big ass walker that I was only able to kill because I got lucky with a chainfist (15 armour all around, wat), about five elite troops of some sort and two HQ's.

They could teleport across the board like deep striking, only they didn't have to roll scatter. Were near invincible in CC and via shooting, and made my own wolf lord slaughter his own squad.

Tell him to use an existing codex instead of models he made up next time. Except for the mind-shackle scarabs (your guy beating himself to death), those things don't actually exist.

5 Lychguard with Hyperphase Swords and Dispersion Shields (220 points)
1 Cryptek with Veil of Darkness (60 points)
1 Necron Overlord with Mindshackle Scarabs, plus possible other upgrades (105 points minimum)
1 Triarch Stalker with possible upgrades (150 points minimum)

535 points base.

Of course, this doesn't mean your opponent wasn't cheating.

yes, and none of those things do what was described.

Indeed - armour 15 only exists rarely in the game, and not on any walker I am aware of (and definitely not all round!) and the veiltek can DS, but you MUST roll scatter.

And, that's 8 models, so he had combined rules for 2 of them into one model somewhere

 SHUPPET wrote:
And, that's 8 models, so he had combined rules for 2 of them into one model somewhere

Going to guess it was the Veiltek and Lord.

Verviedi wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:
And, that's 8 models, so he had combined rules for 2 of them into one model somewhere

Going to guess it was the Veiltek and Lord.

I need to read the Necron codex at some point. Still, my FLGS has a running joke now of me threatening to bring a George Foreman grill and a loaf of bread into the shop. "Anyone got a Necron codex I can borrow? I fancy a cheese toastie"

All we can tell you is, they absolutely, definitely cheated. They CANNOT avoid scattering on DS, and they CANNOT get a walker with Av15 all round. their only codex walker is AV13/13/11 until pen'd, then it goes to AV11/11/11

Verviedi wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:
And, that's 8 models, so he had combined rules for 2 of them into one model somewhere

Going to guess it was the Veiltek and Lord.

Ranor wrote:

He fields... seven models. Total. I have no idea what they're called, a big ass walker that I was only able to kill because I got lucky with a chainfist (15 armour all around, wat),

This I'm assuming is the Triarch, and yes I realize the opponent lied about being AV 15 around.

about five elite troops of some sort

5 Lychguard (we'll get back to this in a moment)

and two HQ's.

Overlord and Cryptek.

They could teleport across the board like deep striking,

Tells us the Cryptek was a Veiltek.

only they didn't have to roll scatter.

Cheating, obviously.

Were near invincible in CC and via shooting,

Lychguard with Dispersion Shield have a 3+/4++. Overlord more than likely had a 2+/3+.

and made my own wolf lord slaughter his own squad.

And of course, MSS.

You sir, are quite the detective

Anytime people are eating finger foods nearby, just gets everywhere and ugh.

 Acephale wrote:
I suppose it has to do with pride.

If I spent countless hours and incredible effort on something, naturally I'm going to take pride in it. If I've become a good painter through a long and slow learning process and painted my armies to a high standard, it will come as no surprise that I'll consider my armies aesthetically superior to an army of unpainted models.

Then be proud. Seriously. Awesome paint jobs are awesome.
But saying it's "sheer laziness" to not paint is factually incorrect. And that's what is being advocated more and more. I can't tell you that you need to paint less just like you can't tell me that I need to paint more.

We enjoy doing different things. You're not required to play against my poorly painted minis. No one is forcing you to enjoy your hobby differently, so why should I be expected/forced to enjoy my hobby time differently?

 Acephale wrote:



If that's "elitist", so be it. It's a fact of life that some people are better than others at certain things. I'm a mediocre guitarist at best, but I wouldn't dream of calling my mate (who is a great guitarist by any standard) an elitist because he doesn't pretend that we're on the same level. He is simply better than me at playing the guitar - partly because he's more talented and partly because he's spent countless hours practising and playing.

Now does your friend tell you that you are not playing music right when you use the guitar? Does he say that anyone who isn't at his level is lazy? Does he say that in order to enjoy music or any aspect of it, you need to put in the same time he does and anything else is not? THAT'S the problem you don't seem to want to get.

 Acephale wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:


Some people legitimately don't have time. Besides, some people don't like to paint. If you don't want to fight someone's grey army, that's fine. I absolutely agree, I would rather watch two painted armies duke it out than a grey slaughter. But I don't get why there is some elitist attitude painters have towards non-painters

I suppose it has to do with pride.

If I spent countless hours and incredible effort on something, naturally I'm going to take pride in it. If I've become a good painter through a long and slow learning process and painted my armies to a high standard, it will come as no surprise that I'll consider my armies aesthetically superior to an army of unpainted models.

If that's "elitist", so be it. It's a fact of life that some people are better than others at certain things. I'm a mediocre guitarist at best, but I wouldn't dream of calling my mate (who is a great guitarist by any standard) an elitist because he doesn't pretend that we're on the same level. He is simply better than me at playing the guitar - partly because he's more talented and partly because he's spent countless hours practising and playing.

On the other hand, I'm a better drummer than him and none of us pretend otherwise either. Now if someone who bought a bass guitar but can't play it at all showed up at a gig and demanded to play with us we'd naturally refuse - the result would be inferior and mostly embarrassing to listen to. Is that elitist? Perhaps, but both the band and the audience prefer it that way. And the guy with the bass guitar could just start practising and get better, instead of expecting the world to lower itself to his standards.

Now if he hates practising and prefer watching TV instead while the bass guitar ends up in the closet, fine. But then he cant' really count on being treated like he's in a band - owning an instrument doesn't make you a musician.

But this is where he have a difference. Your friend doesn't bash on you for being a worse guitarist, nor does he ridicule you and tell you you need to get to a "base" level of playing. This is where the elitist attitude comes in. There's nothing wrong with taking pride in your army, but ridiculing people and chastising them for not being at a standard level of painting is stupid.

Also, by virtue of owning models and playing a game of 40k, you are automatically a wargamer. Painted models in most cases are not required to play 40k, merely having them assembled and having the rulebooks allows you to play. So I'm glad to hear you paint at such a professional level, but don't think it makes you better than anyone else.

A 40k players best friends:

Anti Bacterial Soap - Wash the sweat and bacteria off your body so the smell goes away. Shower gel just covers the smell.

A smile - Goes a long way to fostering a pleasant environment with your opponent.

Always be clear and concise about what you are doing and what rules you are using to your opponent before you roll any dice. And wait for them to acknowledge and agree. - This stops any confusion between you and your opponent.

Always roll your dice in a clearly visible area. Roll scatter dice as close to the point of impact as possible. Always pick up your fails rather than your successes. - This also helps your opponent follow clearly what is going on and eliminates the possibility of dice shenanigans.

Try and talk to your opponent about his army, it is afterall your most obvious common ground. How long have they been playing? How long have they used that faction? Did they paint it themself? Talk about any notable conversions he has or nicely painted units. All helps to make a pleasant experience and brings you closer.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:
my only issue with the "dont have time crowd" is this: sit out from 1 or 2 games, paint your models to bare basic, basecoat and color the gun, with 40k, you could go through 20 models in an hour and make the game way more enjoyable for everyone. if you hate painting dont, but find a better excuse then "dont have time" please.

Some people enjoy playing more than painting. Who cares?

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 Acephale wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:


Some people legitimately don't have time. Besides, some people don't like to paint. If you don't want to fight someone's grey army, that's fine. I absolutely agree, I would rather watch two painted armies duke it out than a grey slaughter. But I don't get why there is some elitist attitude painters have towards non-painters

I suppose it has to do with pride.

If I spent countless hours and incredible effort on something, naturally I'm going to take pride in it. If I've become a good painter through a long and slow learning process and painted my armies to a high standard, it will come as no surprise that I'll consider my armies aesthetically superior to an army of unpainted models.

If that's "elitist", so be it. It's a fact of life that some people are better than others at certain things. I'm a mediocre guitarist at best, but I wouldn't dream of calling my mate (who is a great guitarist by any standard) an elitist because he doesn't pretend that we're on the same level. He is simply better than me at playing the guitar - partly because he's more talented and partly because he's spent countless hours practising and playing.

On the other hand, I'm a better drummer than him and none of us pretend otherwise either. Now if someone who bought a bass guitar but can't play it at all showed up at a gig and demanded to play with us we'd naturally refuse - the result would be inferior and mostly embarrassing to listen to. Is that elitist? Perhaps, but both the band and the audience prefer it that way. And the guy with the bass guitar could just start practising and get better, instead of expecting the world to lower itself to his standards.

Now if he hates practising and prefer watching TV instead while the bass guitar ends up in the closet, fine. But then he cant' really count on being treated like he's in a band - owning an instrument doesn't make you a musician.

heres a thought too, what if a player paints like a toddler without thumbs? are you going to blast them for poor paint jobs? put them down because their skills don't compare to yours? To me i feel like "grey plastic blobs" and poor paint jobs are both going to get attacked the same way...this whole idea that an unpainted army ruins the table top feel to the game and that some players refuse to play against unpainted armys, which like i said i feel those same players probably either refuse to play aginst poorly painted armys or mock ones art skills..hell i'll admit it my art skills are terrible but i still enjoy painting them, if and when i can find time to sit down and focus on the task at hand.

Food and drink near models or playing areas drives me nuts. I'm not entirely sure what people are thinking putting a sweaty drink down on a table.

I won't even bring food or drink into a shop. I've always thought it a bit rude to others, even when it's allowed, whether by cleanliness or smell.


EDIT: Saw AlexRae's comment after I posted. Yes, please roll scatter dice near the target zone. It cuts a lot of confusion out of figuring the angle, and keeps everyone honest.

People who go on about how they play the best armies that will own you or how they "once killed 7 terminators at once". It's very annoying to me.

People who abuse the beginners system at my store. It just ruins the fun of the game and makes it unpleasant for everyone.

Worst of all is people who don't take part in games and people who complain that nothing happened to them when they were hiding in the corner of the board the entire game.