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 daedalus wrote:

 Lynata wrote:
]Of course, it's also debatable whether a cultural focus on sex is really that much worse than the cultural focus on violence that seems common in western society these days...

Well, now I want to see a vending machine that dispenses handguns.

It did happen in Bioshock Infinite, after all
That little tid bit was a good bit of satire, imo. I wish they did more with it. Like if the PC started acting up or if the alarm went off, every NPC in the area runs to the nearest vending machine and starts buying shotguns.

I'd argue the language barrier in some ways makes Japan seem stranger than it really is and that to Japanese society places like America would seem odd to them.

http://www.cracked.com/article_20118_5-things-nobody-tells-you-about-living-in-japan_p2.html

The NRA is working on that one.





Yes, it's a fake, from a parody news site.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 daedalus wrote:

 AdeptSister wrote:

An example of a male character created for heterosexual women may be Vaan from FF, but since I did not play it, I might be totally wrong. I do know there was a lot of hate directed towards his design, though.

I had to look up Vaan. Other than the bare chest, the character seems pretty feminine as far as physical features.

...women are into that?

Japanese Women are, apparently.
Hence Bishounens.

Technically both Japanese men and women are. Androgyny (from a western culture stand point) is the in thing in Japan it seems. So a feminine looking male character in Japan is probably roughly analogous to Marcus Phenix in Gears of War to American men and some women.

 Lynata wrote:
Of course, it's also debatable whether a cultural focus on sex is really that much worse than the cultural focus on violence that seems common in western society these days...

Because there is a higher focus on violence in western society than in Japan now?
I missed the memo .

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Lynata wrote:
Of course, it's also debatable whether a cultural focus on sex is really that much worse than the cultural focus on violence that seems common in western society these days...

Because there is a higher focus on violence in western society than in Japan now?
I missed the memo .

Or a smaller focus on sex in the west now?

Because I don't know if people know this be at least in the U.S. pornography isn't censored.

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 daedalus wrote:

 AdeptSister wrote:

An example of a male character created for heterosexual women may be Vaan from FF, but since I did not play it, I might be totally wrong. I do know there was a lot of hate directed towards his design, though.

I had to look up Vaan. Other than the bare chest, the character seems pretty feminine as far as physical features.

...women are into that?

Japanese Women are, apparently.
Hence Bishounens.

Technically both Japanese men and women are. Androgyny (from a western culture stand point) is the in thing in Japan it seems. So a feminine looking male character in Japan is probably roughly analogous to Marcus Phenix in Gears of War to American men and some women.

Ah yeh, that's true.
Weren't there two versions of Nier that was released? One with a older, more grizzled hero for Western audiences, and one with a bishounen type hero for Japanese audiences? Apparently the Japanese version sold very well.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Lynata wrote:
Of course, it's also debatable whether a cultural focus on sex is really that much worse than the cultural focus on violence that seems common in western society these days...

Because there is a higher focus on violence in western society than in Japan now?
I missed the memo .

Ehm, yeah.... notice that most of our basic-cable TV shows are incredibly violent, as are the most-popular shows on paid cable. Considerable sections of the population watch fairly-violent sports. We allow more violence in movies for children/younger people than we allow even non-sexual nudity. I mean, it's not much of a stretch to claim that America practically venerates violence.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Because I don't know if people know this be at least in the U.S. pornography isn't censored.

That censorship is a bit hypocrite, given the very disturbing things that can be shot and sold in Japan. I mean like really sick, perturbed, deranged, obscene and immoral crap. Notice that this is also quite related to violence too.

Also, America venerates fear, too. I mean, it's our first choice for just about how we react to basically anything.

 Psienesis wrote:
Ehm, yeah.... notice that most of our basic-cable TV shows are incredibly violent, as are the most-popular shows on paid cable.

Unlike stuff like Hokuto No Ken, or Battle Royal?

 Psienesis wrote:
Considerable sections of the population watch fairly-violent sports.

More violent than Sumo fighting?

 Psienesis wrote:
We allow more violence in movies for children/younger people than we allow even non-sexual nudity. I mean, it's not much of a stretch to claim that America practically venerates violence.

Is it about the U.S.A., or is it about western countries? Because this movie was made in France by some Frenchmen. Yes, they did not include any full frontal nudity of any adult, but seriously, why would they? What would be the reason for it?

Amusingly, Hokuto no Ken was remarkable in and of itself because of its protagonist being so musclebound, which broke a lot of norms for male protagonists at the time.

In France, it was remarkable for the most awesome dubbing ever. The whole anime was butchered with a huge censorship axe, to be played on kids TV, and the dubbers hated to show so much that they agreed to dub it only as long as they were given total artistic freedom in the dubbing. Therefore they have the worse play on word and terrible nonsensical dialog ever!
And the voices…

Oh dear... Those voices

I think it's telling when the abridged parody of Fist of the North Star has better voice work than a proper official dub

 Psienesis wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Lynata wrote:
Of course, it's also debatable whether a cultural focus on sex is really that much worse than the cultural focus on violence that seems common in western society these days...

Because there is a higher focus on violence in western society than in Japan now?
I missed the memo .

Ehm, yeah.... notice that most of our basic-cable TV shows are incredibly violent, as are the most-popular shows on paid cable. Considerable sections of the population watch fairly-violent sports. We allow more violence in movies for children/younger people than we allow even non-sexual nudity. I mean, it's not much of a stretch to claim that America practically venerates violence.

I think it would be an enormous stretch to make that claim. First of all Americans are absolutely terrified of actual violence. When ever America gets glimpses of the wars that they hate so much but refuse to do anything to stop they are horrified. Not because the military as a whole is doing anything inherently wrong by American morals but because what actual real violence looks like. Violence isn't something that is easy to stomach. Americans like soft core diluted concepts of heroics. Heroics that require decisive actions for important ideals. Violence is usually how it is solve but it isn't the violence itself that they are craving. COD players like feeling like the BAMF that they will never attempt to put the effort into being.

Look at the percent of Americans that serve in the military or even what percent of Americans are even eligible to serve and you get a pretty good picture of our love for violence.

On the topic of sports you might note that most Americans do not watch sports for the violence. If they did then they would pay more attention to the Canadian sport of hockey that is dominated by Europeans and Canadians but played in America. But they don't (except me though....lovvvvvve me some hockey). Football fans you will notice talk very little about the violence and a lot about statistics, strategies, and the big plays (sounds a lot like 40k players).Hell if you watch it on tv you will notice that the most violent aspects of football get the least amount of camera time. Basketball and Baseball couldn't be further from violence. And the only people that watch NASCAR for the crashes are people that don't watch NASCAR.

The American violent T.V. is also liked by good portions of the planet. Which is why I could buy Game of Thrones or any HBO show off Afghans with subtitles from around the world without difficulty. Same goes for movies where outside of India, Hollywood dominates. Or that while growing up I went to Japanese cartoons for the cool violent stuff. Unless you think Street Sharks is more violent then Pokemon?

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
I think it's telling when the abridged parody of Fist of the North Star has better voice work than a proper official dub

What “better voice”? Those voice are awesome. In their own special way, they are awesome. And I love them dearly and deeply.
Also a bit of nostalgia going on .

Guys.

I was playing some Mortal Kombat 9 earlier, and I thought.

Why are there no decently nice-looking female characters?

I mean, I really like Scorpion, Raiden and especially Sub-Zero (Sub-Zero <3) but a few women would be nice for variation.

Thing is, all women in that game either have huge breasts, fight in a bikini (sometimes less) or wear high heels in combat, sometimes all of them.

While it's fair if some prefer that, I would prefer something different. Something akin to a female Cyber Sub-Zero.

Why doesn't this exist?

Compare so you see what I mean.

What happened to Sonya?

 daedalus wrote:
What happened to Sonya?

She falls into the huge breasts category, plus that cleavage!

That Sonya?

Plus, high heels.

Sonya clocks in at 2.5/3 (Boobs ☑ High heels ☑ Combat bikini: Not really, half a point for cleavage though)

I want a character that at least only scores one point. :(

 Ashiraya wrote:

 daedalus wrote:
What happened to Sonya?

She falls into the huge breasts category, plus that cleavage!

Spoiler:

Wow. That is a departure.

Admittedly the last MK I played was III, so there would be some drift in things a million iterations of the game later, but wow.

I hope she's got those things duct taped up or something. How would you even fight dressed like that?

 Ashiraya wrote:
Plus, high heels.

High heel boots! (which would seem to defeat the purpose of high heels, and boots, at the same time)

I can only hope for Mortal Kombat X, but honestly.

Until I get my proper female MK character, every single SJW on this world is rightous and justified.

I will have my proper female MK character.

Who do I have to kill to get one? WHO?

 Ashiraya wrote:
I can only hope for Mortal Kombat X, but honestly.

Until I get my proper female MK character, every single SJW on this world is rightous and justified.

I will have my proper female MK character.

Who do I have to kill to get one? WHO?

I wish the games I liked where more popular. Then I too could have the games I want one day.

Until then im stuck with indie games and mods most of the time. Even then.


I mean, games cant include everyone. Its why im starting to end my video gaming as very few seem to be made to appeal to me. Its just some people who are left out get more attention than others really.

Hmm, part of my message is gone. The main gist at the beginning was its going to happen. Just like gays being married and so on. Its the trend thats gonna happen. No stopping it. Just like Women being included in games etc. It must feel good to have that prospect.

 Ashiraya wrote:

Spoiler:

That B&B pose is painful to look at. I think it falls into the physically impossible category.

I feel your pain. And I am quite happy that my favorite game these day just release another female character that has none of those traits:

Not your style of characters, I know, not enough armor, but at least she scores a nice 0/3. And I think she looks REALLY nice in-game.

I mean, it is sort of funny to creep people out with some of these fatalities




But I still want variation, and come on, that clothing is just ridiculous.

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:Unlike stuff like Hokuto No Ken, or Battle Royal?

That seems to be more of an exception rather than the rule, though. Of course you can find everything everywhere, because a certain demand will always exist - see "guro". But from what I can see, this is similar to pornography in the western countries. It exists, but you don't get bombarded with it on the streets. I don't want to go as far as claiming that the western and Japanese cultures are direct opposites when it comes to a distribution of erotica vs violence, but I do perceive notably different trends in what receives the most attention and advertisement. It would be better to hear from one or ideally more actually Japanese dakkanaut, though, as perceptions can be deceiving.

But really, look at what kind of games/shows are most popular "here", and what kind of games/shows are most popular "there".

And whilst we may not have handgun dispensing machines (yet), apparently we do give them out for free for attending church or voting for certain people.

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:Is it about the U.S.A., or is it about western countries?

I'd say all the western countries, though maybe not to the same extent as the US - yet. But if you look at the development of the media, I think you'll see that nudity has become a lot more taboo than it used to be ~10 years or so ago, whilst likewise violence has become more mainstream. I'm not sure if this is just "lag" and the other western countries are just picking up an ongoing evolution from the US, or if they were different originally but were changed by the cultural exchange. The US do have a pretty dominant role when it comes to video games and movies/series, after all, and it doesn't take much to assume how they'd influence the following generations.

We are very big on teasing, and having your boobs covered by nothing but a ~2cm strip of thin cloth will get you high praise and jealous looks. But as soon as you show a nipple, it's fire and brimstones from everyone and you're going straight to hell.

LordofHats wrote:High heel boots!

Your avatar expertly expresses my inner self's reaction every time I see a cool concept ruined by this cliché.

On a sidenote, Swastakowey's sig is pretty damn hypnotising.

I can see you now, looking up at the sky, your fists shaking and screaming "High heels in places they don't belong!" Then you call up your best friend, insult him, his wife, and demand he pick you up and take you to Warner Bros. so you can set the building on fire

The high heels thing actually doesn't bother me that much. If anything in her design bothers me, it's that silly top. WTF is that? Is it a bullet proof vest (missing what would seem to be the most important part of the vest)? A normal vest? If she's wearing a vest, why isn't there anything under it? Not even a sports bra?

Either way who the feth actually dresses like this? At least Christie looked sexy and like someone you might, maybe, find at a beach somewhere;



You know. A beach rave or something. Some place with a mosh pit

 Lynata wrote:
That seems to be more of an exception rather than the rule, though.

Well, no. Most manga/anime I have heard about included violence. Japanese movies are often quite violent. At least those I hear about anyway. On par with other movies, on average. With the occasional very very violent movie.

 Lynata wrote:
But from what I can see, this is similar to pornography in the western countries. It exists, but you don't get bombarded with it on the streets.

I do not get bombarded with violence on the streets. Actually, there are much, much more big ads posters banking on sex to sell than on violence.

 Lynata wrote:
I don't want to go as far as claiming that the western and Japanese cultures are direct opposites when it comes to a distribution of erotica vs violence, but I do perceive notably different trends in what receives the most attention and advertisement.

I have never been to Japan, but from the cultural exports I have been exposed too, there may be more sex, but there definitely is not less violence.

 Lynata wrote:
But really, look at what kind of games/shows are most popular "here", and what kind of games/shows are most popular "there".

Games about killing people. In both case. They do have some visual novel stuff, but we do have all the sport games.

 Lynata wrote:
And whilst we may not have handgun dispensing machines (yet), apparently we do give them out for free for attending church or voting for certain people.

Amerika, Amerika. We are all living in Amerika, Amerika is wunderbar!

 Lynata wrote:
But if you look at the development of the media, I think you'll see that nudity has become a lot more taboo than it used to be ~10 years or so ago, whilst likewise violence has become more mainstream.

The latest Kirikou movie is from 2012. Western MOBA have been sprouting hyper-sexualized characters like there is no tomorrow. I grew up with Hokuto No Ken and Dragon Ball Z on TV. Remember the arc with the cyborgs, the future from which Sangohan came? I am not seeing it, sorry.

 Lynata wrote:
But as soon as you show a nipple, it's fire and brimstones from everyone and you're going straight to hell.

Has this happened to Game of Throne yet? Because they sure like showing nipples. And they certainly are not the only TV show doing that. As for movies, had Machete and its sequel both naked nipples, for instance? I know Teeth had. And those are U.S. movies.


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 LordofHats wrote:
Either way who the feth actually dresses like this? At least Christie looked sexy and like someone you might, maybe, find at a beach somewhere;

Spoiler:

You know. A beach rave or something. Some place with a mosh pit

Yeah, doing capoeira in that outfit without having your breast bounce out of it and go wild, good luck with that .