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**Vertrucio**

They also said they would do, or wouldn't do, a lot of things that they ended up not doing, or doing.

PP will do whatever they feel like doing that will actually sell. If new epic versions of the Apotheosis casters will sell and makes sense story-wise, then it will happen.

And there's a point coming in the story of Warmachine where all the rumors say they're going to advance the timeline quite a bit, which is plenty of time for things to change.

**Platuan4th**

Vertrucio wrote:
They also said they would do, or wouldn't do, a lot of things that they ended up not doing, or doing.

There's been more things they've been adamant on not happening that haven't happened than the reverse. The best example for this would be the Orgoth.

**Laughing Man**

I think Ruin has a wonderful place in my Mad Dogs of War list...

**tommse**

You sort of misspelled "every butcher list ever".

**hotsauceman1**

Even w/o butcher he is great.

**malfred**

For 10 points Ruin is great in many lists.

I wouldn't take him with anybody but Butcher for more points.

**hotsauceman1**

My friend loves retribuitions. Ruin will.......Ruin his day

**Elemental**

There's also a preview for the Devil's Shadow Mutineers:

Spoiler:

They look really interesting--not earthshaking, but a solid, fun unit that gives new options to both Cryx and Mercs. Bear in mind that as Sea Dogs, they can also benefit from the pirate solos, like Hawk's melee damage boost, or Rockbottom's coins.

**Grey Templar**

They're gonna be bonkers. Super annoying to kill.

**PhantomViper**

Grey Templar wrote:
They're gonna be bonkers. Super annoying to kill.

They will be annoying to destroy the whole unit, that is for sure, but their defensive stats are pretty bad and they lack any kind of defensive tech. Its pretty hard for me to envision their impact based on just the rules. What will make or break them is seeing if their Blood Bound ability can make up for how easy they are to kill individually or not.

**Leo_the_Rat**

You can RFP them out of action since it says return on their ability.

**tommse**

Plastix Ironfang Pikemen on the mainpage. Finally! And Black Dragons to boot!

**Platuan4th**

Also, a hard copy of Forces of Distinction.

**hotsauceman1**

Y'know, Warmachine is hard on my wallet :(
Oh well. I mean, its goint to be 110$ for ruin and new IFP.
And I will still have a min unit of IFP to do do something with.
It is especially hard when the game doesnt hld your interest alot, but just enough for you to love it

Although, is zerkova is cheap. I will get her for sure.

**AduroT**

Plastic Iron Fangs, and it's the first plastic unit box that includes the UA.

**Schmapdi**

hotsauceman1 wrote:Y'know, Warmachine is hard on my wallet :(
Oh well. I mean, its goint to be 110$ for ruin and new IFP.

AduroT wrote:Plastic Iron Fangs, and it's the first plastic unit box that includes the UA.

Yes - be happy. It's actually quite a bit cheaper on your wallet than it was yesterday

**HisDivineShadow**

Schmapdi wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:Y'know, Warmachine is hard on my wallet :(
Oh well. I mean, its goint to be 110$ for ruin and new IFP.

AduroT wrote:Plastic Iron Fangs, and it's the first plastic unit box that includes the UA.

Yes - be happy. It's actually quite a bit cheaper on your wallet than it was yesterday

Didn't it say both UAs even?

**Leo_the_Rat**

The difference between the UAs are the shield and the banner so they probably just put in both types of shields and banners for both units and the base UA models.

**PhantomViper**

Both units in the PP site have the same PIP (33104), so there will be a single box with options to build both units. Also this:

SPECIAL NOTE: PIP 33104 contains the same Mk II stat cards as PIP 33090 and PIP 33027 as well as a stat card for the Black Dragon Officer & Standard Unit Attachment. The models in this box can be built to represent the same figures as PIP 33090 and PIP 33027 in the game. However, the models in PIP 33104 are new sculpts and therefore look different from the models found in PIP 33090 and PIP 33027. PIP 33104 replaces PIPs 33090 and 33027 by offering their contents in complete units. In addition, these models are plastic rather than metal. The replaced models will no longer be available from Privateer Press beginning June 1, 2015.

**highlord tamburlaine**

Crap. We're finally seeing plastic iron fangs?

This may make me finally commit to putting together a Khador force.

Those damned pikes were the biggest holdup for me. Was not in the mood to have to replace all those with stronger materials.

These new ones seem nice and thick and less prone to snapping/ bending (hopefully).

Damn you Privateer and your desires to part me from my money!

**Nostromodamus**

Figures, I got the Black Dragon upgrade kit ready for whenever they made them plastic. Now they finally did, it comes with the parts

**malfred**

Alex C wrote:
Figures, I got the Black Dragon upgrade kit ready for whenever they made them plastic. Now they finally did, it comes with the parts

Make Black Dragon Uhlans.

**Nostromodamus**

malfred wrote:
Alex C wrote:
Figures, I got the Black Dragon upgrade kit ready for whenever they made them plastic. Now they finally did, it comes with the parts

Make Black Dragon Uhlans.

You sir, are a genius

**Wayniac**

So excited for the plastic IFP. And the fact the Black Dragons are basically going to be 50% cheaper. I can think of a certain other company that would use the move to plastic to raise the price.

**AduroT**

highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Crap. We're finally seeing plastic iron fangs?

This may make me finally commit to putting together a Khador force.

Those damned pikes were the biggest holdup for me. Was not in the mood to have to replace all those with stronger materials.

These new ones seem nice and thick and less prone to snapping/ bending (hopefully).

Damn you Privateer and your desires to part me from my money!

Haha! Oh, wait, you're serious? Let me laugh harder.... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

No, but seriously, their plastic does Not make good pikes, or even sword blades. They use the stuff they do because it lets them pull it from the molds before it's fully hard, and thus have undercuts in their sculpts. This however results in blades and hafts and such being rather warped and sometimes straight up noodley. You're still gonna want to brass rod them. The plastic however does have the bit of advantage in being much easier to drill out and/or magnetize.

**malfred**

Alex C wrote:
malfred wrote:
Alex C wrote:
Figures, I got the Black Dragon upgrade kit ready for whenever they made them plastic. Now they finally did, it comes with the parts

Make Black Dragon Uhlans.

You sir, are a genius

Here's a shot of mine:

Spoiler:

**AduroT**

WayneTheGame wrote:
So excited for the plastic IFP. And the fact the Black Dragons are basically going to be 50% cheaper. I can think of a certain other company that would use the move to plastic to raise the price.

**PhantomViper**

malfred wrote:

Spoiler:

Those are pretty good looking, but you really shouldn't have stolen my bases!

Spoiler:

**Alpharius**

AduroT wrote:
highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Crap. We're finally seeing plastic iron fangs?

This may make me finally commit to putting together a Khador force.

Those damned pikes were the biggest holdup for me. Was not in the mood to have to replace all those with stronger materials.

These new ones seem nice and thick and less prone to snapping/ bending (hopefully).

Damn you Privateer and your desires to part me from my money!

Haha! Oh, wait, you're serious? Let me laugh harder.... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

No, but seriously, their plastic does Not make good pikes, or even sword blades. They use the stuff they do because it lets them pull it from the molds before it's fully hard, and thus have undercuts in their sculpts. This however results in blades and hafts and such being rather warped and sometimes straight up noodley. You're still gonna want to brass rod them. The plastic however does have the bit of advantage in being much easier to drill out and/or magnetize.

Wait - I thought we were talking about HIPs "real" (hard) plastic Khador pikemen here?

**Nostromodamus**

PP plastics for infantry have always been restic. Are these different?