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 Big Blind Bill wrote:
I'm interested to see if they change the CCB.

It really has no precedent, and at the moment is in a strange place regarding some rules due to its conception in 5th ed, like invulnerable saves for rider effecting the chariot.

No idea if or how they will change it.

It's a weird situation because the problem isn't the barge's rules, it's fundamentally broken rules for Chariots in 40k. It's hard to imagine it would lose being a chariot given it's, what, one of three in the game? But I could see maybe dropping its armor to 12 (no QB rule) to make up for it.

 jasper76 wrote:
We'll see.

My money is on RP staying at 5+ (modifiable). 5+ RP isnt really that OP. 4+, on the other hand...

3+ with Res orb ...Muhahahaha

 adamsouza wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
We'll see.

My money is on RP staying at 5+ (modifiable). 5+ RP isnt really that OP. 4+, on the other hand...

3+ with Res orb ...Muhahahaha

Let's not confuse undead with undying!

 adamsouza wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
We'll see.

My money is on RP staying at 5+ (modifiable). 5+ RP isnt really that OP. 4+, on the other hand...

3+ with Res orb ...Muhahahaha

3+ rerolling ones you mean.

TRY TO KILL ME NOW, MEAT SACK

 Auswin wrote:

 Big Blind Bill wrote:
I'm interested to see if they change the CCB.

It really has no precedent, and at the moment is in a strange place regarding some rules due to its conception in 5th ed, like invulnerable saves for rider effecting the chariot.

No idea if or how they will change it.

It's a weird situation because the problem isn't the barge's rules, it's fundamentally broken rules for Chariots in 40k. It's hard to imagine it would lose being a chariot given it's, what, one of three in the game? But I could see maybe dropping its armor to 12 (no QB rule) to make up for it.

Burning Chariot of Tzeench
Hellflayer of Slaanesh
Seeker Chariot of slaanesh
exalted seeker chariot of slaanesh
Blood Throne of Khorne
Skull Cannon of Khorne

Logan Grimnar's magical flying carpet of wet dreams and cyberwolf farts.
CCB

The first 6 chariots are awesome models who are mediocre in their army and the chariot rules change from 6th to 7th did not really change anything for them
the last 2 chariots are both considered ridiculously OP because their rider can have a good Invuln save and RAW it passes on to the chariot.
the SW one specifically states that it happens in the SW codex, the CCB get it because the same situation applies.

my point is the chariot rule itself could actually use some love. without the inv save the CCB is still good but lists would drop the CCB in favor of foot OL just to unlock RC, or Destroyer lords again.

I'm thinking that the CB Overlord will be a separate entry with different wargear options that dis-allow slapping an Invulnerable save on the guy.

 keltikhoa wrote:
the last 2 chariots are both considered ridiculously OP because their rider can have a good Invuln save and RAW it passes on to the chariot.

Which is why you see Logan Grimnar in every SW list posted these days?

My prediction is GW will reaffirm the chariot is RAW 3++ and can join units.

 NecronLord3 wrote:
My prediction is GW will reaffirm the chariot is RAW 3++ and can join units.

The 3++ will stay. IC will not.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:
My prediction is GW will reaffirm the chariot is RAW 3++ and can join units.

The 3++ will stay. IC will not.

Most likely this... Santa Logan is specifically allowed the invuln save but is also specifically not allowed to join units.

 Death By Monkeys wrote:

 keltikhoa wrote:
the last 2 chariots are both considered ridiculously OP because their rider can have a good Invuln save and RAW it passes on to the chariot.

Which is why you see Logan Grimnar in every SW list posted these days?

Isn't that more due to the fact that most places does not allow LoW?

 Zewrath wrote:

 Death By Monkeys wrote:

 keltikhoa wrote:
the last 2 chariots are both considered ridiculously OP because their rider can have a good Invuln save and RAW it passes on to the chariot.

Which is why you see Logan Grimnar in every SW list posted these days?

Isn't that more due to the fact that most places does not allow LoW?

I didn't realize most places didn't allow the same copies of the 7th edition rules!

Don't be naive. People have issues with LoW's for the same reason people have issues with Forge World: Fear.

totally disagree, people have issue with lords of war because of super heavies/titans etc.

Its also the fundamental inballance of the slot, you could agree to take a lord of war and turn up with ghazzy and your opponent with a phantom titan....

its not naivety, its an attempt to bring a little balance, around here the "lord of war" characters like logan etc. are just put into the hq slot.

Please please please please boost Flayed Ones.. they're so cool! they need to be cool on the battlefield

 Pyeatt wrote:
Please please please please boost Flayed Ones.. they're so cool! they need to be cool on the battlefield

Init-2
save-4+
AP- weapons
No guns
...
Yea I don't think there is much hope unless they redesign them

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:
My prediction is GW will reaffirm the chariot is RAW 3++ and can join units.

The 3++ will stay. IC will not.

If that were true, they've had all the means to have done that by now and have not. IC will stay.

I quite like the C'tan upgrades.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:


I quite like the C'tan upgrades.

Wow Solar Thermasite is an auto-take.

Also that Warscythe relic is only AP2.

The Solar thing is REALLY good. Shame it's limited to Overlords though.
That said, it also pointed out Crypteks, so I think this hints how they're going to be in the upcoming codex.

Those Warlord Traits and Artifacts are pretty good!

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

Spoiler:

I quite like the C'tan upgrades.

Agreed. As someone who constantly tries to field his C'tan shard, I would love to bring him as a T8 FNP MC.

I wonder if you can upgrade those Crypteks into Harbingers, and if they suffer the same restrictions to Harbinger Wargear as they do in a Royal Court. Perhaps the Royal Court will see an update as to how it operates in the new codex.

Assuming you can upgrade the two Crypteks into Harbingers, I wonder what the top choices would be. Making them Destructeks and giving the C'tan Transdimensional Thunderbolt would create a very destructive Lascannon platform. Eternity can give your Shard a single reroll, which could save him a wound per turn. Stormteks might not be great for the unit, but Lightning Field could be funny to make a C'Tan shard even scarier to charge for laughs.

So.... Ctan shard and 2 crypteks in formation... give one of them God Shackle... Profit.

Overlord get's to re-roll his 1's? I hope we still get to give him a 2+ armour save!

 Pyeatt wrote:
So.... Ctan shard and 2 crypteks in formation... give one of them God Shackle... Profit.

Give one Cryptek VoD...

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 Pyeatt wrote:
So.... Ctan shard and 2 crypteks in formation... give one of them God Shackle... Profit.

Give one Cryptek VoD...

Holy butts I didn't even think of that. The C'Tan's footprint is also very small for being a Monstrous Creature... This is kind of amazing. Utilize it before the new Codex comes out and changes everything!

True but what to give the c'tan id go for spirt dust and one of the shooting powers as for the teks a transmog and dispair would make a nice combo.

 Anpu-adom wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:
My prediction is GW will reaffirm the chariot is RAW 3++ and can join units.

The 3++ will stay. IC will not.

Most likely this... Santa Logan is specifically allowed the invuln save but is also specifically not allowed to join units.

Do you guys realize that when a CCB lord joins a unit it really sucks for the CCB lord? No Look Out Sir and no assigning hits to the chariot profile. Really bad for the CCB lord.

col_impact wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:
My prediction is GW will reaffirm the chariot is RAW 3++ and can join units.

The 3++ will stay. IC will not.

Most likely this... Santa Logan is specifically allowed the invuln save but is also specifically not allowed to join units.

Do you guys realize that when a CCB lord joins a unit it really sucks for the CCB lord? No Look Out Sir and no assigning hits to the chariot profile. Really bad for the CCB lord.

Well since the rules that the CCB can't LoS are made up, I don't see that being an issue.


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Requizen wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 Pyeatt wrote:
So.... Ctan shard and 2 crypteks in formation... give one of them God Shackle... Profit.

Give one Cryptek VoD...

Holy butts I didn't even think of that. The C'Tan's footprint is also very small for being a Monstrous Creature... This is kind of amazing. Utilize it before the new Codex comes out and changes everything!

Also, the crypteks can get a 3++ save with a time splinter cloak.

are those shots of the Exterminatus supplement or the codex?