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 Wyzilla wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So they're going to replace all the standard Mk.VIII stuff to "protect their IP"? I don't buy it. The standard Marine is GW's single most important and iconic image. They wouldn't change that.

I'm pretty sure Corvus is more iconic then Aquila. It looks better too.

Aquila is the figurehead (though Corvus is probably iconic enough in itself to not change things)

Spoiler:

GW thinks Aquila is unique, but in reality it bears a lot in common with Darth Vader and Stormtroopers, especially MK V over MK VII. But Beakies are extremely unique, and I can't think of any Spartans, Terran Marines, etc having the Hounskull helmets.

Unique? Perhaps.

But that isn't the issue. It's about popularity, recognition value, etc...

I am pretty sure a lot of GW execs also wish their most iconic product would've been something more unique. Alas, it isn't.

If the rumour IS true (big if), we'd have confirmation of that from inside GW's top management. Of course, I am still waiting for some details on where the information came from that this new Mark (if it exists) was specifically made for IP reasons. Did somebody see emails they weren't meant to see? A legal document? Somebody overheard top brass talking on the toilet? The rumour would be a lot more credible if we'd have some inkling of where it came from.

As said, the explicit rationale of re-doing Space Marines for IP-reasons isn't the kinda rumour that could come from some freelance artist with a pint too many in the pub or a factory cleaner angry for getting laid off, etc...

Nobody outside HQ knows for sure, Wonderwolf, but since GW have made utter fools of themselves trying to crucify Chapterhouse and Spots the Space Marine etc. over IP, it's not outside the realm of possibility. Further inside it than you seem to think.

warboss wrote:While looking for space marine scale pics for my blog, I found this pic from over at bolter and chainsword. The OP says it is tau inspired but it seems alot more iron man inspired to me than anything else but very cool looking in any case.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263768-epsilon-omega-an-alpha-legion-splinter-cell/

Spoiler:

Right down the repulsor gubbin right there in the palm.

streetsamurai wrote:that was an absolutely ridiculous comment.

For a moment there I this you were talking about this:

Talys wrote:but they aren't nearly as good as GW HIPS, and just like most PP minis, there's zero incentive for me to buy/model multiples of models I already own.

For you, the GW 'hobby' truly is buying GW products.

Anyways, Corvus Belli closed off their 15mm historical ranges because Infinity is growing swiftly and they needed to devote resources to it. GW is this close to closing down their fantasy range because their overall sales are shrinking and WFB most of all. It's not as ridiculous a comment as you might insist.

 Vermis wrote:
Nobody outside HQ knows for sure, Wonderwolf,

But the original poster of the rumour claims he does.

I wouldn't have batted an eye if people would've brought this up as speculation. Or even if the rumour was about a new Space Marine Mark Armour and subsequently people started to speculate about possible IP-related motives.

But the rumour claims to know that IP is verily the driving motive. That makes it suspect, not least because the IP-thing is so widely discussed by fans at the moment.

Can they make a box of mk8 instead?

Wonderwolf wrote:
I wouldn't have batted an eye if people would've brought this up as speculation.

Wonderwolf, I don't think you would have said anything differently.

 Peregrine wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
Bigger Marines would look better on those bases.. current marines.. eh.. I don't know that I agree with you.

It's a subjective thing, but if you look at the current marines you'll see that they're kind of crowded on the old bases.

Even if it is just for looks.. you're telling me GW spent money switching all their products over to slightly larger bases just because they thought it looked a little better?

Why not? It's not like bases are an expensive change...

You're both right. Rarely are business decisions made for a single purpose. Having a bundle of 'positive' outcomes is pre-dominant.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Can they make a box of mk8 instead?

Honestly they are better off switching to beakies or mk8 if they want to defend the IP.

both are much more original than mk 7.

I can't get away from the fact that Mk IX is potentially taking the storyline forward. On the one hand, there is every possibility that it could be some super-special armour type that is 'found' somewhere, and shoe-horned into the background in the same way as the Stormraven and Centurions. On the other hand, I look at the 'End Times' in Fantasy and how that has changed background that has otherwise stayed pretty much static for 20 years, and how several sources now have said about something 'big' coming in 2015, among them Harry and BoW.

Would GW really be willing to risk upsetting the applecart for their top selling product?

I have absolutely zero interest in 40k these days, but I'm still very interested to see how this develops!

Hastings chimed in - there is going to be a 30k release from Games Workshop themselves (not FW) - he is a bit cryptic but makes it very clear what he is talking about: A 30k-related Starter set

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?404105-2015-40k-releases-according-to-BoLS/page24 (several posts on page 24 and 25)

Oh god no, don't let GW ruin what FW have been handling very well!

Uhm...and I guess the box will include a plastic Thunderhawk, updated models of all the awesome special characters and probably that organic Tau Battlesuit...

That's the thought process isn't it?

GW Proper: "This 30K stuff Forgeworld are doing is going over great guns, our disciples must simply love all things 30K, we will take it over, and make a lot more cash by churning out plastic kits rather than resin, sticking 30K on it and putting it in all the shops. "

Forgeworld: "Well, I think some of the reasons it has been popular is because we've tried really hard to maintain the integrity of the setting and paid careful attention to striking a balance between respecting old stuff and innovating."

GW Proper: "Shut up and sculpt me a 30K Marneus Calgar."

I always thought the space marines looks a bit too bulky, and wouldnt mind a somewhat more sleek design.

The space marines have looked quite similar for a long a time now, and I for one would welcome a change. There is always 30k for those who likes the older marks.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Hastings chimed in - there is going to be a 30k release from Games Workshop themselves (not FW) - he is a bit cryptic but makes it very clear what he is talking about: A 30k-related Starter set

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?404105-2015-40k-releases-according-to-BoLS/page24 (several posts on page 24 and 25)

Ah, the "In case of bankruptcy, break glass" option.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Hastings chimed in - there is going to be a 30k release from Games Workshop themselves (not FW) - he is a bit cryptic but makes it very clear what he is talking about: A 30k-related Starter set

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?404105-2015-40k-releases-according-to-BoLS/page24 (several posts on page 24 and 25)

I really do hope that plastic 30K is what he means, instead of some sort of a horrible return of the primarchs end times mess for 40K. Not because I particularly want the former, but because I really really do not want the latter.

Whatever this rumour ends up being, be it new armour, plastic 30K, or an advancement of the storyline I am all for it!

The latest GW kit I got was the plastic veteran SM's and they were pure magic and should we get either newly designed armour marks or a starter set of some kind I have faith that I will love it.

Honestly the only bad thing I can think of happening would be the new set being Centurions 2.0, now that would be disappointing, especially after seeing those awesome sketches a few pages back...

Hmm, why am I thinking the update will just be a plastic character model and then a book with some minor changes but costing like $150 or something...

 Crimson wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Hastings chimed in - there is going to be a 30k release from Games Workshop themselves (not FW) - he is a bit cryptic but makes it very clear what he is talking about: A 30k-related Starter set

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?404105-2015-40k-releases-according-to-BoLS/page24 (several posts on page 24 and 25)

I really do hope that plastic 30K is what he means, instead of some sort of a horrible return of the primarchs end times mess for 40K. Not because I particularly want the former, but because I really really do not want the latter.

On another forum the word was that GW has atleast considering switching over some of the 30k power armor over to plastic, because volume of demand, but had ultimate shied away from the idea.

GW's in this awkward position where their largest area of growth is a part of their company that doesn't scale up easily and the nature of which makes it difficult for them to capitalize on their industrial advantages. We got harlequins and if the rumors of plastic SoB and Mechanicum are true I think its safe to say that GW has realized that FW's has been taking advantage of the veteran player market and it needs to as well.

The starter set will be joined by a plastic heresy armour set and some plastic Skitarri over the course of the next year. The idea of these boxes is allow players to create armies that can be played in both 30k and 40k and as such expand both markets.

Both Admech and the Legions produced by FW proved to be popular beyond all expectations. So popular infact that GW can justify pumping out kits for a game that isn't even one of their core games. It's also being done as a safety nets, in case 9th ed Fantasy (Which 30k now outsells) crashes and burns, then they have 30k in place to pick up the pieces.

The Old armour kit will be a mix of armour types rather than a kit of say Mk4 armour. All parts will be of course compatible with the current Space Marine range. I do believe a plastic servitor is being done too.

 WhispererofTruth wrote:
The starter set will be joined by a plastic heresy armour set and some plastic Skitarri over the course of the next year. The idea of these boxes is allow players to create armies that can be played in both 30k and 40k and as such expand both markets.

Both Admech and the Legions produced by FW proved to be popular beyond all expectations. So popular infact that GW can justify pumping out kits for a game that isn't even one of their core games. It's also being done as a safety nets, in case 9th ed Fantasy (Which 30k now outsells) crashes and burns, then they have 30k in place to pick up the pieces.

The Old armour kit will be a mix of armour types rather than a kit of say Mk4 armour. All parts will be of course compatible with the current Space Marine range. I do believe a plastic servitor is being done too.

This sounds more appealing, I hope that's all it is.

 WhispererofTruth wrote:
The starter set will be joined by a plastic heresy armour set and some plastic Skitarri over the course of the next year. The idea of these boxes is allow players to create armies that can be played in both 30k and 40k and as such expand both markets.

Consequently homogenising both settings and running a real risk that everything that FW does right with 30K will be squeezed out by the money grabbing of Pappa GW.

Not saying this will happen necessarily, but I think there's a significant chance it may, and, setting aside any concerns over the provenance of the info, could ultimately end up ruining 30K rather than improving 40K.

Fingers crossed Alan Bligh still retains substantial input.

 WhispererofTruth wrote:
The starter set will be joined by a plastic heresy armour set and some plastic Skitarri over the course of the next year. The idea of these boxes is allow players to create armies that can be played in both 30k and 40k and as such expand both markets.

Both Admech and the Legions produced by FW proved to be popular beyond all expectations. So popular infact that GW can justify pumping out kits for a game that isn't even one of their core games. It's also being done as a safety nets, in case 9th ed Fantasy (Which 30k now outsells) crashes and burns, then they have 30k in place to pick up the pieces.

The Old armour kit will be a mix of armour types rather than a kit of say Mk4 armour. All parts will be of course compatible with the current Space Marine range. I do believe a plastic servitor is being done too.

I really hope you're right.

 WhispererofTruth wrote:
The starter set will be joined by a plastic heresy armour set and some plastic Skitarri over the course of the next year. The idea of these boxes is allow players to create armies that can be played in both 30k and 40k and as such expand both markets.

Both Admech and the Legions produced by FW proved to be popular beyond all expectations. So popular infact that GW can justify pumping out kits for a game that isn't even one of their core games. It's also being done as a safety nets, in case 9th ed Fantasy (Which 30k now outsells) crashes and burns, then they have 30k in place to pick up the pieces.

The Old armour kit will be a mix of armour types rather than a kit of say Mk4 armour. All parts will be of course compatible with the current Space Marine range. I do believe a plastic servitor is being done too.

Are you the source for this or are you reposting it from elsewhere?

 Azreal13 wrote:

 WhispererofTruth wrote:
The starter set will be joined by a plastic heresy armour set and some plastic Skitarri over the course of the next year. The idea of these boxes is allow players to create armies that can be played in both 30k and 40k and as such expand both markets.

Consequently homogenising both settings and running a real risk that everything that FW does right with 30K will be squeezed out by the money grabbing of Pappa GW.

Not saying this will happen necessarily, but I think there's a significant chance it may, and, setting aside any concerns over the provenance of the info, could ultimately end up ruining 30K rather than improving 40K.

Fingers crossed Alan Bligh still retains substantial input.

in truth, capitalizing on the popularity of 30K (both the FW and BL products) should be a no-brainer for GW. It's an incredibly easy way to spin their current product lines with a "new game smell" by simply offering variant 30K Codexes for most of their 40K armies.

But, this generates a problem. GW has been very careful about keeping Forgeworld separate. If they actively promote and produce 30K, then that drives up even greater demand for the FW products. I can't see GW suddenly rolling out plastic Spartans, Fellblades, Primarchs, Sicarans, Lightning fighters, etc. So, this means GW will have to actually point people towards Forgeworld to get the models for their now GW-branded 30K Codexes, Unless, disturbingly, GW decides to remove those options?

The sad fact is, it would be incredibly easy for GW to make 30K a core game and to do it right, but their current management somehow finds a way to screw up even very easy things.

I do believe Whisperer is the source for this rumor.

I do appreciate the move away from cryptic comments to things more direct like this, so thank you

FW is far less healthy than you think.

FW-revenue historically was hugely Games Day-dependent (for which non-FW bore overheads and staff-costs).

Without GD, and FW stuck with paying for their own events (e.g. Heresy Weekender), FW is feeling the heat these days.

Sad Panda wrote:
FW is far less healthy than you think.

FW-revenue historically was hugely Games Day-dependent (for which non-FW bore overheads and staff-costs).

Without GD, and FW stuck with paying for their own events (e.g. Heresy Weekender), FW is feeling the heat these days.

And that's based on what...

I really prefere humans vs aliens or aliens vs aliens. NOT MARINES VS MARINES!! So legitimately sick of marines.


Aye aye aye!!!!


P.S sorry for being that guy!

[Checks thread title]

You might not be the the right place then!

 ImAGeek wrote:

Sad Panda wrote:
FW is far less healthy than you think.

FW-revenue historically was hugely Games Day-dependent (for which non-FW bore overheads and staff-costs).

Without GD, and FW stuck with paying for their own events (e.g. Heresy Weekender), FW is feeling the heat these days.

And that's based on what...

Well, Panda has been on the money with any info we're now in a position to confirm. But taking that out of the equation, FW don't make a huge amount of cash in the grand scheme of things for GW, and what he says is perfectly logical, even if he's making it up.