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 drunken0elf wrote:
Besides the SoB (wichbI have. I bought my army for a really good price off a witchhunter player who hasn't played since his codex got gutted (polr soul)).

It's great to see possible updates for the lack of sister love. Not because I'm still new to them that i don't care about them, but that's besides the point.

How's the general feel of inquisition in this book? Other then the loss of 10pt batteries and the cheap 5 firingport chimera?

The whole book is written to try and sell people on splashing one or two squads of another army into a big Imperial list. If you played one of the armies within as a primary force you'll be sorely disappointed.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 drunken0elf wrote:
Besides the SoB (wichbI have. I bought my army for a really good price off a witchhunter player who hasn't played since his codex got gutted (polr soul)).

It's great to see possible updates for the lack of sister love. Not because I'm still new to them that i don't care about them, but that's besides the point.

How's the general feel of inquisition in this book? Other then the loss of 10pt batteries and the cheap 5 firingport chimera?

The whole book is written to try and sell people on splashing one or two squads of another army into a big Imperial list. If you played one of the armies within as a primary force you'll be sorely disappointed.

Did the writers forget that they made things like Unbound part of the game's rules?

It is an Allies codex with rules to make them battle forged.

This codex presents background and rules for a number of smaller Imperial factions, whose forces fight alongside other armies of the Emperor. Use the rules, datasheets, wargear and detachments included to add members of these organisations to any army of the Imperium.


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The following text was added to the Sisters digital codex page:

The rules in this eBook are also available in Codex: Imperial Agents, fully revised and updated along with new detachments plus rules for adding even more servants of the Emperor to your army.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/40k-cod-sup/Codex-Adepta-Sororitas.html

I don't have the codex, and I know this isn't the purpose of the codex, but is it possible to create a CAD using only Codex: Imperial Agents?

Did they change the assassins at all?

ZaelART wrote:
I don't have the codex, and I know this isn't the purpose of the codex, but is it possible to create a CAD using only Codex: Imperial Agents?

Each Faction has its own detachment. Which is a unique Force Organization Chart. For example the Deathwatch FOC is a single troop choice, so you could build an army from only this book. It would just be made of multiple unique FOCs.

 Pouncey wrote:
IMO, if they were looking to cut down on the number of Codices, the first place to start would be the half-dozen or so Space Marine codices in existence with full model ranges.

If GW has proven anything over the past year or so, is that it's not looking to shrink it's product line for 40k. With all the newly added armies, the ones basically already announced, and a few rumored to be coming, shrinking their 40k product line, does not seem to be the path they are on.

 Vash108 wrote:
Did they change the assassins at all?

I don't own any of the books so I can't say for sure, but I thought I read that no, there is no changes, just that it's in actual print form. There is a chance I am wrong though. Only Sisters and Inquisition got minor changes and the rest is on paper form exactly how they were in ebook or pdf.

Ravingbantha wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
IMO, if they were looking to cut down on the number of Codices, the first place to start would be the half-dozen or so Space Marine codices in existence with full model ranges.

If GW has proven anything over the past year or so, is that it's not looking to shrink it's product line for 40k. With all the newly added armies, the ones basically already announced, and a few rumored to be coming, shrinking their 40k product line, does not seem to be the path they are on.

I, uh, didn't suggest making any models OOP.

Just cutting down on the number of Codices, and writing the all-inclusive Space Marines Codex general enough with a wide enough variety of options that all models currently in existence can reasonably fit in there somewhere.

Example:

Problem: Sanguinary Guard can't be Honor Guard, they have jet packs and wrist-mounted boltguns and relic blades.

Solution: Add option for Honor Guard to take jet packs and relic blades, treat wrist-mounted boltguns as standard boltguns.

Follow-on problem: But then you'll have to take Sanguinary Guard models if you want that combination in an Ultramarines list or whatever.

Solution: Or, just, like, kitbash? Space Marine infantry kits are pretty damned cross-compatible.

My view

Its just a book that pulls many basic options from their respective codex and presents them in printed book so people can use them without pulling out several different books or e-books with the trade off being you don't all the options and characters available if you had used said army's actual codex.

GW is probably operating under the assumption that a person who buys C:IA doesn't have Codex: Inquisiton, Sisters of Battle, Grey knights, officio assassinorium, or any others I missed and would like to have access to some their units without having to buy several different books and haul them around or constantly pages through their mobile device. There was a another possibly that I had considered but I forgot it while navigating the ridiculous late holiday shopping crowds while picking up ingredients.

Either way, even a quick flip through the book it's obvious that its not meant to replace any codex but just condenses several options into one source and throws in some new formations in the process (something GW themselves with their new sovial presence, have confirmed it's intention was), a very practical idea that due to classic GW unclear wording (and perhaps abit of demagoguery from others) has been taken for something else.

I honestly don't see what there is to get so bent out of shape about.

 Ir0njack wrote:
My view

Its just a book that pulls many basic options from their respective codex and presents them in printed book so people can use them without pulling out several different books or e-books with the trade off being you don't all the options and characters available if you had used said army's actual codex.

GW is probably operating under the assumption that a person who buys C:IA doesn't have Codex: Inquisiton, Sisters of Battle, Grey knights, officio assassinorium, or any others I missed and would like to have access to some their units without having to buy several different books and haul them around or constantly pages through their mobile device. There was a another possibly that I had considered but I forgot it while navigating the ridiculous late holiday shopping crowds while picking up ingredients.

Either way, even a quick flip through the book it's obvious that its not meant to replace any codex but just condenses several options into one source and throws in some new formations in the process (something GW themselves with their new sovial presence, have confirmed it's intention was), a very practical idea that due to classic GW unclear wording (and perhaps abit of demagoguery from others) has been taken for something else.

I honestly don't see what there is to get so bent out of shape about.

Honestly, I think players like myself who play one of these factions primarily may simply have forgotten that our factions are fairly unpopular and minor, and that Codex: Imperial Agents was probably just a valid attempt to start selling a bunch of e-books in a hardcopy form, but none of the factions were individually popular to warrant the shelf space or production costs, so they simply jammed them together in the same book and made a small attempt to let you field them together. They just couldn't include literally everything without making the book too long, so they had to cut out some options. However, they kept the individual codices available as eBooks and emphasized that they were still valid, so anyone who wants to can simply choose to go with the eBook instead of C:IA.

I mean, if you just drop the assumption that GW is actively trying to make these factions unpleasant, and is making an effort to boost their popularity and recognition, well, it kinda makes sense. Yeah, historically GW hasn't treated factions like the Sisters well, but, you know, people change, and GW may easily have seen the error of their ways, so if they already have, or if the end up doing so in the future, at some point we have to be prepared to leave the past in the past and move forward.

 Pouncey wrote:

 Ir0njack wrote:
My view

Its just a book that pulls many basic options from their respective codex and presents them in printed book so people can use them without pulling out several different books or e-books with the trade off being you don't all the options and characters available if you had used said army's actual codex.

GW is probably operating under the assumption that a person who buys C:IA doesn't have Codex: Inquisiton, Sisters of Battle, Grey knights, officio assassinorium, or any others I missed and would like to have access to some their units without having to buy several different books and haul them around or constantly pages through their mobile device. There was a another possibly that I had considered but I forgot it while navigating the ridiculous late holiday shopping crowds while picking up ingredients.

Either way, even a quick flip through the book it's obvious that its not meant to replace any codex but just condenses several options into one source and throws in some new formations in the process (something GW themselves with their new sovial presence, have confirmed it's intention was), a very practical idea that due to classic GW unclear wording (and perhaps abit of demagoguery from others) has been taken for something else.

I honestly don't see what there is to get so bent out of shape about.

Honestly, I think players like myself who play one of these factions primarily may simply have forgotten that our factions are fairly unpopular and minor, and that Codex: Imperial Agents was probably just a valid attempt to start selling a bunch of e-books in a hardcopy form, but none of the factions were individually popular to warrant the shelf space or production costs, so they simply jammed them together in the same book and made a small attempt to let you field them together. They just couldn't include literally everything without making the book too long, so they had to cut out some options. However, they kept the individual codices available as eBooks and emphasized that they were still valid, so anyone who wants to can simply choose to go with the eBook instead of C:IA.

I mean, if you just drop the assumption that GW is actively trying to make these factions unpleasant, and is making an effort to boost their popularity and recognition, well, it kinda makes sense. Yeah, historically GW hasn't treated factions like the Sisters well, but, you know, people change, and GW may easily have seen the error of their ways, so if they already have, or if the end up doing so in the future, at some point we have to be prepared to leave the past in the past and move forward.

Bang on. Main reason i'm buying C:IA is that I don't own any of the ebooks codexes. Yet i have the 4 assassins, quite a bit of inquisition and SoB. (well i have them on my computer because they're easy to find and all from that odd russian site but w/e). Having a legit hardbook rather then hakfassed copy pasted rules is better.

 drunken0elf wrote:
Bang on. Main reason i'm buying C:IA is that I don't own any of the ebooks codexes. Yet i have the 4 assassins, quite a bit of inquisition and SoB. (well i have them on my computer because they're easy to find and all from that odd russian site but w/e). Having a legit hardbook rather then hakfassed copy pasted rules is better.

I'm gonna buy C:IA and use it. Might even consider it my Christmas present to myself.

I have the ebook Sisters of Battle Codex already, but I don't have a tablet, e-reader, smartphone or any portable digital devices, so even though I play at home instead of a club or store, I've had to print out my Codex, and it has been a fantastical pain in the ass. My first attempt was to simply push print all. That took a week because even though I made sure to print it in greyscale, I ran through like 3-4 cartridges of ink trying to print all the full-page pictures that are literally every second page, and had to go to the store to get more on two occasions. Then, after that, I discovered that due to not having set the page size properly, it had printed them in a format that rendered what I had printed totally useless since stuff was printed after each page ended (and thus the printer simply sprayed ink on itself, thinking it was printing on a piece of paper, and having no way to know that paper wasn't actually there. Stuff like that is actually why a robot apocalypse in the present day would fail hilariously, our computers generally lack the capability to kill us at all, and they can't even launch nukes without a human being in the process, so the computers can only try to lie to humans to convince them to fire nukes, some wouldn't obey, some would, and, uh, nukes cause EMPs and computers are generally located where humans are (read: GENERALLY, because I'm well aware we've sent computers to Mars and Jupiter, and have apparently been periodically ramming them into comets on occasion for scientific research), so they're killing themselves too, and if humans can get control of enough nukes enough to choose where they detonate, we can wipe out the machines with a few well-placed or lucky detonations in the upper atmosphere wiping out all computers on the planet.), so I had to start OVER and reprint every page (learned enough from one failed attempt to be very, VERY selective about what pages to print).

Anyways, irrelevant diatribe about the absurdity of a robot apocalypse aside, having an actual hardcopy of my army's rules is something I've wanted for a long time. And when I think about it, I really don't care that I have to share that book with other armies, and my not-Celestine character is my least favorite anyways, so no big loss.

I'm halso a bit hyped about fall of cadia to see the supplement with the new inquisitor Greyfax and Celestine. (I still don't know if i like her new sculp better then the pewter one.

I'm just hoping it's not going to be a black templar centered supplement... In the art they're with cadians and blakc templar marines. Hey, Using my kaskrins might be relevant again lol. Still waiting for those hellguns to come back. Hotshot lasguns are trash.

Ps. Sorry, pretty off topic.