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 AegisGrimm wrote:

Why did anyone who voted in this thread actually come into a forum about Games Workshop's game Warhammer 40k? Do you really hate yourselves that much?

Because up until 6th edition 40K, I really loved the game. Some of the things that had been changed in 5th I didn't really like, but it's nothing close to the storm of feth since 6th edition came out. I love painting and modelling within the game universe, but good god, the game is basically being run by a sales team this edition, not a design team.

Not one thing in the poll was in existence before 6th edition. So it's basically a poll about whether you like 40K, but hate everything that has happened since 6th dropped.

so much this.

The only things in 5th that anybody really complained about in terms of the overall gamestate was Matt Ward retconning Necron and GK fluff, and perhaps mechanized armies dominating the tournament scene as well as of course BA flying Land Raiders. Then of course there were a lot of complaints further back in time when 40k completely reinvented itself during its shift from 2nd edition to 3rd, and the barebones codices that followed, but thats about it, and perhaps WD dropping in quality from around that time onward. I cant think of any other major issues back in the day.

When they lied and told us plastic was going to be cheaper and therefore the savings would be passed on to the consumer.

That was 1992.

Still waiting.

xraytango wrote:
When they lied and told us plastic was going to be cheaper and therefore the savings would be passed on to the consumer.

That was 1992.

Still waiting.

Since I started the hobby I have seen packs of 2 metal characters at $16/18 go to finecast at $39 for one and plastic at $30 for 1.

xraytango wrote:
When they lied and told us plastic was going to be cheaper and therefore the savings would be passed on to the consumer.

That was 1992.

Still waiting.

They were cheaper. When things like the plastic Catachans and plastic multipart empire were released they were 20 in a box for £10. Metal infantry sure weren't 50p a figure. Since then they've gone up a lot though, particularly since GW in an investor report of some years ago described that the market was willing to pay equivalent prices for metal and plastic, so that's what they would charge. And which is why those same 50p Catachans are now £1.80

I wouldn't use the word "hate," but there was definitely a very rapid process where I stopped buying new things from GW and switched to an Ebay/friends selling their models/converted models from other companies only policy. That process was caused by a combination of the 15-20% price increase, the complete lack of passing on savings from switching to plastic to consumers, the gutting of all gaming related content from WD and the company website, the doubling in price for hardcover rulebooks, with even PDFs costing more than the old softcover rulebooks, and the dawn of the dataslates. If all you see me as is a big dumb wallet that will keep pouring out money, no matter how blatantly you're ripping me off, I feel no obligation to prove you right. It's called customer satisfaction, GW. Learn it.

Pretty true. I find it to be quite telling when I have been with 40K for nearly 20 years, and only over the last couple of years have I suddenly moved away from buying from GW at all.

And you know what? Other than the price it would cost to upgrade all my armies to 6th edition.....everything has been driven by how GW is coming across towards me -a long time loyal consumer- as a business currently. I am a painter/modeller first and a gamer second- hell I could play games of 2nd edition and be happy- and GW is becoming increasingly toxic towards being a casual consumer of their products.

If you are a casual gamer (like me) who wants to primarily have fun painting up a couple of armies so they look awesome, and then have the added bonus of playing some games with them, be prepared for a kick in the balls if you are using the current edition. Crazy pricing, price hikes, idiotic material changes, sudden changes in unit packaging to make them idiotically more expensive to make units with, etc.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Why did anyone who voted in this thread actually come into a forum about Games Workshop's game Warhammer 40k? Do you really hate yourselves that much?.

Because disliking GW's recent business direction is not the same thing as disliking Warhammer 40k.

Because disliking the current direction of the game is not the same as disliking the game.

Because complaining about the things you dislike about something that you otherwise enjoy can sometimes effect positive change.

And because when you have invested a lot of time, effort and money into something that then changes into something you don't like as much, it's not so easy to just shrug your shoulders and move on to something else.

 insaniak wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Why did anyone who voted in this thread actually come into a forum about Games Workshop's game Warhammer 40k? Do you really hate yourselves that much?.

Because disliking GW's recent business direction is not the same thing as disliking Warhammer 40k.

Because disliking the current direction of the game is not the same as disliking the game.

Because complaining about the things you dislike about something that you otherwise enjoy can sometimes effect positive change.

And because when you have invested a lot of time, effort and money into something that then changes into something you don't like as much, it's not so easy to just shrug your shoulders and move on to something else.

Exalted, and I am going to copy-paste this every time this comes up again.

Because the business directions of the last five years may have nearly completely soured me against going any further with current editions, but that does not invalidate the 15 years of fun and enjoyment I had prior to that.

40K in general is awesome. 6th edition specifically (in my opinion) much less so.

Mine came when the new nids book dropped, which completely neutered the army I used. I really dont feel that I should be forced to buy ~600USD to make my army viable (harpy x3 + exocrine x3 + venomthrope x3) against ANY opponent, not just high-tier competitive lists.

StarHunter25 wrote:
Mine came when the new nids book dropped, which completely neutered the army I used. I really dont feel that I should be forced to buy ~600USD to make my army viable (harpy x3 + exocrine x3 + venomthrope x3) against ANY opponent, not just high-tier competitive lists.

also the foot tyrant is pretty much dead now, isnt it? everyone takes flyrants

well, 7th edition has added more fun items to the long list

 Sir Arun wrote:
well, 7th edition has added more fun items to the long list

*shhh*

We still don't know for certain if the rumors are true. I'm almost convinced all this gak about no-restriction armies and Space Marines summoning demons is either some astoundingly clever trolling, or GW finding the person who's been leaking information and deliberately feeding them false information to confuse people.

 Mysterious Pants wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
well, 7th edition has added more fun items to the long list

*shhh*

We still don't know for certain if the rumors are true. I'm almost convinced all this gak about no-restriction armies and Space Marines summoning demons is either some astoundingly clever trolling, or GW finding the person who's been leaking information and deliberately feeding them false information to confuse people.

Seriosuly? did you not see the extremely clear pic of the white dwarf? We may not know the exact wording of the rule, but we know what it does.

7th edition for me.

As of last weekend I decide to put most of my 40K and Warhammer fantasy on ebay with exception to my Eldar, Dwarf and Vampire armies. I'm keeping only one of the following Guard or Ork cant decide yet. let me tell you it is still alot of stuff to get rid of. I've had enough of thier bull@&^$. I used to have that I can't wait untill I can play this with my kids attitude. Now that ship has sailed. At best I'll play one game a month maybe 2 but not going out of my way to play.

It wasn't one single thing. I disliked their constant price hikes on what were already some of the most expensive minis on the market. Their prices have simply gotten ridiculous any more. Couple with increased rule book and codex prices (as well as these new mini dexes which often should have just been part of the main dex...) and I was pretty neutral. However, the news that 7th is already dropping has just killed it for me.

I was in the process of getting my Marines ready to go (I was at least half done) as well as a Farsight army, but now I have no interest in finishing them from an 'army' perspective. I am NOT dropping another ton of money on a new rule book when I haven't had a chance to play the 'old' one yet.

A vast majority of the options are rules related, and as I don't play 40K and don't miss it they're no issue for me.

I suppose I don't really dislike GW, but the things in the poll I'm somewhat unhappy about are:

When they had that crazy 15-20% permanent price hike a couple summers ago - Yes, prices went up a lot during a short period of time. Especially the terrain, which I remember I was particularly pissed off about as I planned on a lot of terrain purchases. Still haven't bought any.
When the introduced Finecast - Haven't spent a penny on individual models since this happened.
When they killed White Dwarf - I wasn't into wargaming during the time White Dwarf was good, so it's not the "killing" per se I'm bummed about, but more like the current state of it. I wouldn't mind buying or subscribing to a GW-centric magazine, if it was good.

And one that isn't an option:
When they killed off Specialist Games - The money I'd throw them for Epic stuff...

And to a lesser extent:
When their new website launched, deleting your existing account and order history - This was a bit of a problem for me, as my virtual gift vouchers disappeared. Took me three weeks to get them back, but it's all resolved now. I didn't like the site first either, but I'm warming to it.

Games Workshop definitely leaves a lot to be desired, but it appears the main problem people have is with their rulesets. Again, they aren't an issue for me. I still love their plastic kits and, while they are on the pricier side, I will keep buying them as long as I feel I get my moneys worth.

I was with them right up until this 7th ed nonsense was all but confirmed. That was the straw that broke the camels back. Before that I put down all the ridiculous costs of 40k as just a side effect if playing this awesome game, but now I'm done with it all.

The price jack made me stop buying models in favor of proxying a lot of my armies. I didn't mind the nerfs, buffs, and even introducing escalation (the more chaos, the merrier!).

The new White Dwarf and the new website send me a message about the company that rubs me the wrong way. It's telling me that the company that at least looked like they were interested in the customer is now only after the money. It's just so... cold and unfriendly.

There was also the removal of specialist games rules. Was there really a reason to remove the rules PDF's without even giving a reason?

I still play and enjoy 40k and WHFB, but I really don't like its company.