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Who is this monolithic "Games Workshop" you keep referring to, as if there's some sort of ideas think-tank separate from the design studio that comes up with concepts? That's the job of the people like Phil Kelly.

As I have said, the design studio comes up with the ideas. Whether the Wraith Knight was Phil's own idea completely from him is largely irrelevant. I can assure you that every new thing would have started along the lines of “Why don’t we try X”, and then people would have spun ideas (artists would have done concept work, the writers thought up rules, and so on).

As far as work with FFG, yeah, we get to invent new things all the time. Sometimes it comes from a brief, but the brief is usually just that – brief. We don’t get handed a list of weapons they want to write and are then told “now go write the rules peon!”. It’s a collaborative effort that starts with a pitch document (something that the writers in the design studio would put together, not some unknowing faceless “Games Workshop” sitting above the design guys) and then goes from there.

I don’t know where you’re getting the idea that the guys who write the Codices just write the Codices and have nothing to do with the design and creation of units. The way you describe it sounds like they sit around waiting for an unthinking machine to spit out a concept and the first one to get to it gets to write the rules.

 Ravajaxe wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Oh Christ can we just use the points values! AHHH!!!

This would be much clearer. Some people think of point values as a bastion of editor's IP material. It's just a mere numerical value.
Not intricate rules with actual content, or photographs. They will be spread all over the forums in lists section anyway !


So if I'm not mistaken :
Scion squad : 70 points for 5 dudes with hellguns (apparently sergeant is included).
additional scion model : 12 points each

Scion command squad : 85 points for 5 dudes, the boss included (Tempestor @ Ld:9)


The price is not as steep as in V5 codex.

Thank you for the numerical input.

I've got to say, I imagine that the Volley Gun was less inspired by the Warhammer Fantasy one but more the historical Nock Volley Gun.

It was famously used by Sergeant Patrick Harper in the Sharpe novels and films. It'd actually not be entirely ridiculous since the Scions do seem heavily inspired by cuirassiers.


As for the game, doesn't GW quite regularly say. "The designers and sculptors make the models based on what they think is cool first, then once the model is done do we only hand them off to the codex writers to make rules for them."

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Who is this monolithic "Games Workshop" you keep referring to, as if there's some sort of ideas think-tank separate from the design studio that comes up with concepts? That's the job of the people like Phil Kelly.

As I have said, the design studio comes up with the ideas. Whether the Wraith Knight was Phil's own idea completely from him is largely irrelevant. I can assure you that every new thing would have started along the lines of “Why don’t we try X”, and then people would have spun ideas (artists would have done concept work, the writers thought up rules, and so on).

As far as work with FFG, yeah, we get to invent new things all the time. Sometimes it comes from a brief, but the brief is usually just that – brief. We don’t get handed a list of weapons they want to write and are then told “now go write the rules peon!”. It’s a collaborative effort that starts with a pitch document (something that the writers in the design studio would put together, not some unknowing faceless “Games Workshop” sitting above the design guys) and then goes from there.

I don’t know where you’re getting the idea that the guys who write the Codices just write the Codices and have nothing to do with the design and creation of units. The way you describe it sounds like they sit around waiting for an unthinking machine to spit out a concept and the first one to get to it gets to write the rules.

I feel like we're talking around each other.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Who is this monolithic "Games Workshop" you keep referring to, as if there's some sort of ideas think-tank separate from the design studio that comes up with concepts? That's the job of the people like Phil Kelly.

As I have said, the design studio comes up with the ideas. Whether the Wraith Knight was Phil's own idea completely from him is largely irrelevant. I can assure you that every new thing would have started along the lines of “Why don’t we try X”, and then people would have spun ideas (artists would have done concept work, the writers thought up rules, and so on).

As far as work with FFG, yeah, we get to invent new things all the time. Sometimes it comes from a brief, but the brief is usually just that – brief. We don’t get handed a list of weapons they want to write and are then told “now go write the rules peon!”. It’s a collaborative effort that starts with a pitch document (something that the writers in the design studio would put together, not some unknowing faceless “Games Workshop” sitting above the design guys) and then goes from there.

I don’t know where you’re getting the idea that the guys who write the Codices just write the Codices and have nothing to do with the design and creation of units. The way you describe it sounds like they sit around waiting for an unthinking machine to spit out a concept and the first one to get to it gets to write the rules.

You might have just discovered how the taurox was born...

If I knew what you were trying to say, I might agree.

http://40kwarzone.blogspot.com/2014/03/more-guard-pic-leaks.html


New pics, did not see them posted.

No, these are new. Nice find!

 Ravajaxe wrote:
The Taurox pictures raised more than disappointment : rejection, on various forums. I do not like it at all, among others.
I know it is a bit soon to say that, but the Taurox may reveal a bad move for GW.
I mean, why pay the GW's price for a Taurox, when nicer futuristic light transport are plentiful elsewhere ?

Because the pictures posted as alternatives on page 70 that you are praising are hideous (to me at least) and I much prefer the Taurox. I love opinions.

Also, the more pictures of these Scions I see the more I become convinced I'm going to be broke come early April

All of them really do continue to look utterly awful to me. The cuirass just looks ridiculous.

I like those covered heads that the Storm Trooper kit has. The Taurox doesn't look as bad in those other pictures. The colour really kills it at the moment.

I believe whom-ever talked about two hellguns duct taped together was spot on, because thats what it looks like .

Wow, those new light vehicles actually look pretty good from different angles. And boy those new men look good. Im interested in this new book now... So cool.

Din't see this pic on the thread might have missed it, but still din't see it on page 1.

The battle cannon on the Taurox Prime is a 'Taurox Battle Cannon'. I don't want to rain on anyone's parade but it is just Str 7 Ap4 Blast. It can be upgraded for the price of a sergeant to the Gatling Cannon which is Heavy 10 Str 4 AP - or a further sergeant to get the Missile Launcher which is your standard Heavy 2 Frag/Krak combo. The Prime also comes with a mounted Hotshot Volley Gun like the Scions can take which is TL Salvo 2/4 Str 4 Ap 3. Both the Taurox and Taurox prime have 2 additional firing points.

Scions also come with Deep Strike and Move Through Cover. 5 of them come in at the same cost as a 5 man marine tac squad, additional models are 1 Eldar Ranger each. The Scion command squad is the same cost as a 5 man Assault squad, can be upgraded with a Medic, Vox Caster and Banner. The Tempestor is Ldr 9 and all Tempestus squads within 18 inches can use his leadership for morale, pinning, etc. In addition, the Tempestor is considered a junior officer and can give 1 command as per current IG rules. Any command squad models not upgraded may replace their Hotshot Lasguns with Hotshot Volley Guns, Meltaguns or Plasma Guns.

And the Taurox Prime can be taken by regular Scions as well, I had made an error in the previous bit.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
What exactly is a "hot-shot volley gun?"

Is it meant to be some sort of laser shot-gun or automatic lasrifle?

It's a Cruddace creation. It's probably a bunch of "hotshot" lasguns duct taped together and put in a turret.

So...what a mek made one day when he was sleepwalking then?

This is the best Ork release ever

Seriously though, I like the new stormtroopers. They look a lot better with helmets on.
The Taurox was not quite as large as I thought it would be. It's certainly tall, but not quite the Ogryn carrying SWAT van I was expecting.

Also, there's a picture of the volley gun...it was not as orky as I hoped

They still look pants to me. I don't actually mind the volley gun as a look, to be honest... But it isn't what I'd call a 'volley gun' - it looks more like some sort of alternate flamer.

Yeah, I am liking that kit, the ''beret + armor sucks!'' argument is pretty much void.

I just hope that the transport isn't 11-10-10 or 12-10-10 even if it was free it would be hard to be worth it.... Its to the point now that I don't even look for fire blood anymore because I know my chimeras are the first to die every time...

Still don't like the truck.

Look, it has guns on the rear track fender! Why are the guns there? What a completely absurd place to mount a weapon.

I would also like to point out that in the far future of tomorrow with millions of years ahead of our time. We still must use a hand held phone pickup for our vox unit.

I don't mind and actually like the beret. The armour design of still sucks though!

Zengu wrote:
I just hope that the transport isn't 11-10-10 or 12-10-10 even if it was free it would be hard to be worth it.... Its to the point now that I don't even look for fire blood anymore because I know my chimeras are the first to die every time...

The rules were posted on the previous page.

Spoiler, its 11/10/10.

What is the gun on the third Taurox thing in the first image? Cant quite make anything out of it.

 Swastakowey wrote:
What is the gun on the third Taurox thing in the first image? Cant quite make anything out of it.

In the turret?

Or in the completely ridiculous mounting over the rear track fender?

I want to like the Taurox but the tracks put me off completely, the rest of the model is rather nice.

The Troopers are nice.

I'm still meh on the Taurox. It's a pretty ugly model with poorly balanced rules (rumored rules). Not to thrIlled about the Scions either. They've still got badly posed stumpy bodies. The Karskin were/are better.

More and more I'm leaning towards offloading my IG army. I'll wait till the new codex to see if I want to bother playing again, since I still haven't gotten a game of 6ed in yet.

Maybe there will be a rush to buy/trade IG when the new codex launches!

 Blacksails wrote:
Still don't like the truck.

Look, it has guns on the rear track fender! Why are the guns there? What a completely absurd place to mount a weapon.

Oh wow, I didn't even notice that. Yeah, that is a silly place. I mean, I'd hate to be the poor guy who has to exit the vehicle when that autocannon is still firing.
Maybe that's why the Bullgryn need shields...

? The third taurox, the last one visible in the convoy. I cant see what weapon its got. Just wondering if someone who knows more about 40k weapons will recognize it, or with keener eye site.

 Swastakowey wrote:
What is the gun on the third Taurox thing in the first image? Cant quite make anything out of it.

Looks like another missile array, like on the first.
Might just be the back ground though.

 Swastakowey wrote:
? The third taurox, the last one visible in the convoy. I cant see what weapon its got. Just wondering if someone who knows more about 40k weapons will recognize it, or with keener eye site.

Looks like an autocannon.

Alternatively, it could be the rumoured baby battlecannon.