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Need a hand.

I really hate the 'pintle' mount multimelta on the LRC, and I don't want to create more of those abominations on the regular LR's when I add them.

I picked up some plastic multimelta bits from stjohn70 last night, so I can model my LR's appropriately (and redo my LRC).

Since I don't want to be a lamer making any of the following:

A) A predator turret for fun range increases on my multimelta.
B) A stupid looking turret.
C) Anything like the current 'pintle' mount.
D) Have to buy other vehicle kits just to make some mini-turrets for multimeltas on my LR.

In short, I want usefulness (rotating turret) without the 'oops, broken again' of the current choices and I don't want anything large (cough, meaning no tube shaped turrets sticking up!) or ungainly ruining the lines of the Land Raider.

All I've come up with is the plastic spoon bit, but I'm really tired and mentally exhausted...and that look seems to do best with Eldar, not Imperial stuff.

So, anyone got any ideas?

Thanks in advance!

REALLY expensive way of doing things, but have you seen the small round turret on the resin Repressor? Quite small, you could probably fit a mutimelta in sideways, and looks very Imperial.

I appreciate this is not the most helpful idea, given the cost of a resin Repressor kit!!

Stelek wrote:In short, I want usefulness (rotating turret)

While it's a bit OT for the modeling aspect of the thread... does the new codex put the multimelta on something other than a hull mount? Because going for something that rotates would seem a little redundant otherwise.

One of the small turrets (HB/sponsons) from a plastic Baneblade would fit on a Land Raider.

insaniak wrote:

Stelek wrote:In short, I want usefulness (rotating turret)

While it's a bit OT for the modeling aspect of the thread... does the new codex put the multimelta on something other than a hull mount? Because going for something that rotates would seem a little redundant otherwise.

You mean is a multimelta a turreted weapon or not?

I guess it's considered a hull-mounted pintle weapon?

Man if that's so I guess it really is pointless lol.

1hadhq wrote:One of the small turrets (HB/sponsons) from a plastic Baneblade would fit on a Land Raider.

Hmmm now that's an interesting idea, have you actually dry-fitted one?

I wonder how it would look, anybody have a pic of a dry fit they could show me?

Wonder if I can bitz order a turret.

Stelek wrote:

1hadhq wrote:One of the small turrets (HB/sponsons) from a plastic Baneblade would fit on a Land Raider.

Hmmm now that's an interesting idea, have you actually dry-fitted one?

I wonder how it would look, anybody have a pic of a dry fit they could show me?

Wonder if I can bitz order a turret.

Dry fitted to a black LR

another option would be to make something like this: Razor Back Multi-melta

Thanks a ton man.

I wonder how it would look in the front part of the tank.

Like where the storm bolter on that tank is, where the MM is 'supposed' to go.

On the LRC I think I might leave them as is, but on the LR I'd probably give them a turreted MM.

Belphegor wrote:another option would be to make something like this: Razor Back Multi-melta

Hmmm also a good contender.

My worry is making the extra weapon bit too clunky for the LR profile.

Belphegor wrote:another option would be to make something like this: Razor Back Multi-melta

Hmmm what's the difference on the 'complete' kit versus the 'conversion' kit?

20 bucks for the turret, or add 18$ and get a rhino chassis as well?

Oh and I have a bunch of plastic multi-meltas from stjohn70 so I can probably just get a turret made up, do razorbacks come with extra turret bits or no?

The "complete" kit is just rhino + turret.
Don't forget that the razorback turrets are the same shape as the twin heavy bolter mounting on the raider.
Normal Razorbacks only come with the extra weapon (las or bolter) but no "extra" mounting parts.

Stelek wrote:You mean is a multimelta a turreted weapon or not?

I guess it's considered a hull-mounted pintle weapon?

That's why I was asking... the current codex has it specifically listed as a hull mounted weapon. The pintle mount on the actual model is obviously then not quite right, although doesn't really make any difference rules-wise, as both hull mounts and pintle mounts have the same fire arc.

If the new codex lists it differently (ie: as something other than hull- or pintle mounted) then this could still be viable.

Actually, what I found a few years ago that looked awesome as a multimelta turret was the old metal Dreadnought multimelta arm. I imagine with all the new plastic MM arms around, you could do the conversion even cheaper and easier. All you have to do is cut down the top of one of the cupola rings a little bit and glue that to the flat side of the shoulder mount (where you would stick the arm onto the dreadnought). Then extend the multimelta barrels with a couple pieces of brass or plastic rod.

The pics don't show it well (I sold this LRC a few years ago so I can't take new photos), but you get the idea and can see the silhouette of it.

I'm liking the dreadnought arm a lot, it looks less IGish than the others. A small amount of conversion work so that it doesn't just look like a dreadnought arm lying on the roof, and I think it's a winner.

Of course it's more a rotating autoweapon than a traditional turret, i.e. it doesn't have a hatch for a crew member, but I don't think that's a problem, unless there's something in the rules about the number of top hatches.

I had this problem and while my answer isn't as expensive it still looks good.

I took the hatch and had the guy standing out of it holding a plastic multimelta. it works, comes off, and pivots.

its not a 'turret' but its worked great on every lr I've ever made.

edit:

If you don't mind bitz ordering, you could buy a Baal Predator turret. Just snip off the flame-turret and bam! One melta-turret.
Cheap, but it works for me.

insaniak wrote:

Stelek wrote:You mean is a multimelta a turreted weapon or not?

I guess it's considered a hull-mounted pintle weapon?

That's why I was asking... the current codex has it specifically listed as a hull mounted weapon. The pintle mount on the actual model is obviously then not quite right, although doesn't really make any difference rules-wise, as both hull mounts and pintle mounts have the same fire arc.

If the new codex lists it differently (ie: as something other than hull- or pintle mounted) then this could still be viable.

The codex doesnt say. it says a LR-Whatever may take a Multimelta for 10pts. it doenst say whether it is pintle mounted or hull mounted, just that you may have one. that leaves it up to interpretation to where you could put it. turret mounted on top would be perfectly acceptable.

wash-away wrote:I had this problem and while my answer isn't as expensive it still looks good.

I took the hatch and had the guy standing out of it holding a plastic multimelta. it works, comes off, and pivots.

its not a 'turret' but its worked great on every lr I've ever made.

edit:

Yes, I saw it in action this weekend.

Looks fine, except I hate marines sticking their heads up out of land raiders...

You could do something like the CROWS remote weapon station.

http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/09/05/crows.jpg

Two triangular pieces of plasticard on either side to hold the melta upright, then optics and targeters plus power cables, all on top of a closed hatch.

Here is what it looks like in the forward hatch. (Please forgive the nakedness of the land raider. It is awaiting tenticlination!)



Top View


In the regular spot (which I don't like)


The black reach multi melta arm on the forward hatch. I would just trim off the cabling.


And the way I would do it


Meph

Stelek wrote:

wash-away wrote:I had this problem and while my answer isn't as expensive it still looks good.

I took the hatch and had the guy standing out of it holding a plastic multimelta. it works, comes off, and pivots.

its not a 'turret' but its worked great on every lr I've ever made.

edit:

Yes, I saw it in action this weekend.

Looks fine, except I hate marines sticking their heads up out of land raiders...

so whos the gamer behind the dakka?

I went the FW razorback multimelta route on my latest LRC:



It required boring out the top hatch to 1":



Looks better painted, but you get the idea.

Durandal wrote:You could do something like the CROWS remote weapon station.

http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/09/05/crows.jpg

Two triangular pieces of plasticard on either side to hold the melta upright, then optics and targeters plus power cables, all on top of a closed hatch.

Boy is that busy. Definitely neat, not what I want though.

Thank you.

wash-away wrote:

Yes, I saw it in action this weekend.

Looks fine, except I hate marines sticking their heads up out of land raiders...

so whos the gamer behind the dakka?

Uhhh I played using some of your termies and marines, as I hadn't brought an army. lol That help?

ninjalawyer wrote:I went the FW razorback multimelta route on my latest LRC:



It required boring out the top hatch to 1":



Looks better painted, but you get the idea.

Right, I like how it looks but I think that's only allowed on the LR.

The LRC it's not really a turret...

However I like all the ideas, and I think I'll turret mount everything anyway.

Not quite sure how, sadly.

The weapon options listed for all 3 LR Variants are:
1- a storm bolter
2- a hunter-killer missile
3- a multimelta

In the vehicle entry, none are listed as anything, either hull-mounted, pintle, turret, sponson, or otherwise. When this is the case... it is always treated as modeled. The storm bolter's entry in the SM Codex is the only weapon that specifically mentions what kind of mounting it is.
So model it pintle, and it gets the 360. End of story.

stjohn70 wrote:So model it pintle, and it gets the 360.

Except that pintle mounts only get 45 degrees...



For what it's worth, from the options presented so far I think the FW turret looks the best on the LR.

What about the old school attack bike multimelta? It looks like a multimelta, isn't huge (closer in size to storm bolter and hk), and has a nice sturdy "base" to it. Since is was angled for use on the attack bike and metal, you could just "re-angle" it with a razor saw. You would then just pin and glue to an existing hatch.

Might be worth a shot.

I vote for the FW version too.

Another option might be to just create a mini-turret atop the forward hatch. Try cutting up the boxy HKM housings for a cover, and mount one of those little sensor-eye things on top. It will be placed forwards (thus losing no range, which is as you point out a big concern) but also not so bulky that it looks weird.

EDIT: If you do use the Baneblade turret (which looks really cool in that forward slot where the SC usually goes), definitely slice off most of the rivets to make it fit with the space-age fabrication of the LR.