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Is it too much to ask that if you are drop podding something in that you um... actually have some kind of drop pod model seeing as they have models for them now? I was in the tanks giving event this past weekend and someone wanted to drop pod in two dreads behind me. So I asked him where his pod models were and he got offended and snippy. He was all like... "you really want me tohave a pod model?" Um... yes. I took the time that my warhound was as modeled. He got bitchy and decided to just walk them on from his deployment zone and chilled out after a few minutes and having the 4 land speeders he also dropped inside 12 inches of the back of my Titan take it out. Still though... how can someone reasonably expect to use a transport without having a transport. It isnt like the pod model hasn't been out for a few months, or before that you can make a reasonably good Pod for about a $1.50 from the hardware store. So... was I being an hole or was I within line on this.

I think you are well within your rights to expect him to have them. I'd sure love to fight an invisible army.

I don't understand your poll. You seem to indicate that this guy had absolutely NO models for his drop pods, which I think everyone would agree is unacceptable since the rules of the game require you to have models to represent the creatures/vehicles you play with, including drop pods.

However, your actual poll question seems to ask if people should be forced to play with the new GW model (or presumably the FW model) as opposed to constructing their own out of PVC (for example).


I DO think it is unreasonable to expect everyone to have the official GW model at this point, especially since it is relatively new and GW took their sweet time making the model and in the years in between when they introduced the Drop Pod as a unit through the recent past where the actual plastic model was introduced many people have taken the time to make their own scratch-built Drop Pods.

Those people put time and effort into making a model that GW didn't produce and I don't think there should be any expectation that they should throw away their scratchbuilt model anymore then everyone should throw away the rest of their models every time GW comes out with a new version of that model.


So in short: YES it is reasonable to expect your opponent to have SOME sort of drop pod model, but NO it is not reasonable to expect everyone to be using the official GW model already.

yeah,
I'd have said "DeepStriking Dreads! Go away..."

I voted No.

Panic...

yakface wrote:
Those people put time and effort into making a model that GW didn't produce and I don't think there should be any expectation that they should throw away their scratchbuilt model anymore then everyone should throw away the rest of their models every time GW comes out with a new version of that model.

yeah,
this is going to play havoc at offcial tournies... especially concerning Drop Pods and BattleWagons.

Panic..

Yeah... my poll sucks... half zombified at work here... must reword... and remove sad attempt as sarcasm which isnt going through.

I agree, in the past I would have been forgiving, and possibly let people do what you are talking about, but now that there's an official GW model there's really no excuse, you either buy that or convert up an appropriate replacement, you don't just not use any model.

"You can't deploy your drop pods here, they're on my invisible land raiders."


Agree with Panic.

wait. what? GW makes rules for models that don't exist?!

have they done this before?

oh... right, BFG Orks...

Unfortunately I'm one of those people who falls into the "doesn't have drop pods for his drop pod army" camp
I was using pop cans for a while when I was first just "playtesting" them. After a while it wasn't that I was just trying them out, it was more that I could not physically afford 200 bucks for transports for all my squads + dreads. The hardest part isn't so much the money as it is the money paid for something that just goes <plunk><open><sits there>. It feels like something that should just be assumed as "there" rather than actually thrown down. If I could represent it with an upside-down beer cup, why do I have to pay 35 bucks a pop for 8 pods just to stop the "well if that was a REAL drop pod I would be able to see...."

Note i said "feels like" lol, I still believe in WYSIWYG. It's just a bang-for-buck whine. At least rhinos move, pods just sit there. "awww but do I really haaaaveee toooooo?" My drop pods are going to be scratch-built portals to fit in with my army's theme (and the money will instead be spent on two shiny ravenwing boxed-sets). Still, even if someone doesn't want to pay for pods they should at least stick SOMETHING down on the table. Those things are big, block mucho LoS...

I would have told the dread guy to piss off, but last game my drop pods were toilet paper rolls so i suppose I should just go stand over there now ---->

Illeix wrote:wait. what? GW makes rules for models that don't exist?!

have they done this before?

You mean other than pretty much every codex they've ever written?

now that's just lame...

aye, but hopefully they'll cover 90% of the models from a codex. I think all credit to GW, they leave space for imagination and they've done really well with the ork codex...plastic deffkopta's, nobz, new bikes, trukks and now a new battlewagon, stormboyz and 3 new characters in january!!

I wouldn't use drop pods unless i had something that i made a bit of effort to make!

GW makes a drop pod model.

People who want to play with drop pods should buy GW's drop pod model.

Or at least make something with identical dimensions and a good 'look'.

GW's Drop Pod, someone else's Drop Pod, or a scratchbuild... all fine by me.

But yeah, if you're going to use a unit, have a model for it.

Even before the model was out, it was unacceptable to have some sort of marker for it. Beer can / cup / pvc but it's pretty goofy to not have one. Just because GW didn't put it out yet doesn't mean it should not exist. On the other hand, that line of logic would make that Emperor Class titan build that much easier....

Since LOS is so important in 5th you really should have some kind of model to represent a Drop Pod. Don't much care what it is as long as you aren't using a 60mm base and calling it a Pod.

Arleucs wrote:"You can't deploy your drop pods here, they're on my invisible land raiders."

QFT.

It’s been almost five years since the old 3rd ed “Drop Pod Assault” rules (in which it was just Deep Striking with no actual pod model required) went away. There is no excuse for not buying a pod or building one.

A soda can or other bad proxy will only cut it on a table with me if we’re friends (with much mocking) or you’re obviously a broke new player or child, only if it happens once, and even then I would probably play someone else with actual models if I had the option. Seriously. It’s a miniatures wargame. You need to have miniatures for your stuff.

Just bring a soda can or two for friendly games. Just out of curiousity but around what age was the person you were playing against?

I've seen nice scratch built pods and crappy ones. I've fought armies painted and unpainted (GASP!) So I'm certainly quite accomodating when it comes to some things like this. However, I do want to know before the game starts so I don't mistake the can of Mountain Dew he's drinking for the MD can he's using as a DP.

My only real gripe is playing someone who buys something, opens the package and places the model on the board unassembled. I'm mostly talking blister packs here not vehicle models. Nothing like seeing an old Ravener show up on the board already in pieces.

Rymafyr wrote:I've seen nice scratch built pods and crappy ones. I've fought armies painted and unpainted (GASP!) So I'm certainly quite accomodating when it comes to some things like this. However, I do want to know before the game starts so I don't mistake the can of Mountain Dew he's drinking for the MD can he's using as a DP.

My only real gripe is playing someone who buys something, opens the package and places the model on the board unassembled. I'm mostly talking blister packs here not vehicle models. Nothing like seeing an old Ravener show up on the board already in pieces.

Our gaming group has a long history of playing with unpainted or semi-assembled models, but never something straight out of a blister pack lol. I could imagine that would be somewhat annoying to move around all the time

I seen someone in GW get an empty drop pod box( the ones the sprues come in) cut the drop pod on the front out and put it on a base, and use it.

A friend once had this encounter (which I think was over a wood elf wardancer using Leap multiple times in Bloodbowl, which used to be legal).

"Well, fine, if you want to play it THAT way."
"If you mean by the rules, then yes, I do want to play that way."

Are there official rules for tournaments? I mean, I have an ork army and every vehicle in the army is scratch built. They are all 100% GW parts that make up the vehicles. I use a scratch-built battlewagon and scratchbuilt trukks and i don't intend to buy either of the new sets. Will this be a problem in tournaments?



I'm not sayin...I'm just sayin...

Tournaments will each have their own rules regarding what models they will or won't allow.

IF they are GW parts, then you will have no trouble.

If they are not GW parts, but a good model, you will likley have no problem.

If they are not GW parts, and built from another company's model, you will have problems.

This assumes it is a GW tourney. If an Independent... less likely tohave problems.

coredump wrote:If they are not GW parts, and built from another company's model, you will have problems.

...maybe.

We've seen GT armies in the past that have had models from other companies.

There was an Australian Space Wolf army even featured in White Dwarf that included a Confrontation Wulfen model...


A lot of the time, it just comes down to individual rulings on the day.

If you're going to play Drop Pods, you should be forced to field actual Drop Pod models. If not GW, then equivalent.

Be thankful that you aren't paying FW prices for Pods.

I just wonder if the four people who voted "yes" to your poll know how annoying it is to have a coke can for a drop pod be played against them?

my WISP drop pods are on this thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/224391.page

One of our players is full drop army using 16 oz party cups.