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I'm really over my head on this one. Scale will make or break this model and I can't get any decent leg measurements from the photos.

I'm trying a different approach this time as I think the titan will be too top heavy if I make it all from plastic and resin. I'll begin with a basic hull shape as thats what I'm most sure of as far as scale. I've put about a week of evenings into this so far and I'm about to start on the head.

I'm using foam filled poster board 5mm and 13mm thick which works very well and will give me the upper body lightness I'll be needing for stability. The body will be covered with sheet styrene after I get all the proportions right.

I'm thinking 3/4" pine square stock for the leg segments and dowels for the round joints but that may be to massive when covered with styrene.

The Blackadder

No responses to my rather tawdry effort thus far and I'm not surprised give the mediocrity of the images. I put a few hours in last week and this is how the model stands at the moment.

The Blackadder

Hi there Blackadder, looks, like a nice start. I really like your tanks as well. If you need measurements, try finding some templates on the net. I don't have them myself, but I'm sure some helpful soul here can direct you to a proper site.

MOst scratchbuilds I've seen so far are either cardboard or plasticard, and don't seem too top-heavy. Guess the foot design must be pretty decent.

The_Blackadder wrote:I'm really over my head on this one. Scale will make or break this model and I can't get any decent leg measurements from the photos.

*Cough*

To scale Lucius Pattern Warhound Plans
4th post down.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/3840/99366.page

*Cough*

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:

The_Blackadder wrote:I'm really over my head on this one. Scale will make or break this model and I can't get any decent leg measurements from the photos.

*Cough*

To scale Lucius Pattern Warhound Plans
4th post down.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/3840/99366.page

*Cough*

Thanks, I really appreciate the input. I had those plans already and based on my calculations they are approximately 1/4 oversized when it comes to the length and cross section of the legs. The 3/4 view DWG 119 at the end when roughly modeled in wood gave me an overall height of 10.5 inches which is FW's claim for the height with the legs fully extended. I can always bulk up the segments with plastic card sheets if need be and increase the length likewise if the legs look too small. unless someone can give me measurements off of the original model.

My calculations based on the FW assembly instructions give me give me slightly over 3/4 inch square leg segments in cross section with each leg piece approx. 3 inches long. Anyhow below is the work of the previous day and I am rather pleased at the outcome if the scale is correct.

EB

wow its going to tern out really good

Thanks for the reply jamunition.

I've just completed the leg joints (of course everything is rough because I'm not sure with the scale.) but the leg joints are fully movable so when the model is assembled I can pose it as I want. I'm hoping to leave it posable so that was my main concern with weight. The pistons and hydraulic cylinders will be the fly in the ointment as they will have to extend and contract as the legs are adjusted. This may not be practical but hey why not give it a go. Otherwise I'll just pose it as I want, glue it in position and then add the hyd. cylinder's etc.

I'm using white styrene 1/2 inch tubing for the joints and naturally the joints are in excess of 5/8 inch diameter so I have to build them up with 3 layers of 1/2 inch tubing and filling in the gaps as 1/2 inch styrene is the largest diameter available to me. Fortunately the 7/16 inch tubing fits into the 1/2inch nice and snug so it makes an ideal axle for the joint. The grey assembly pegs sticking out of the joints are bits of GW model sprue and careful aligning and paring down of these pegs give a nice tight fit to the leg components so the adjustment has significant strength when moved.

Onward and upward,

The Blackadder

hey i reckon this is cool but i reckon the legs are a bit dainty or skinny kinda both

That would be because they don't have the armour on them yet, I assume. If you look at FW ones the actual legs are pretty scrawny, they just have big plates on them.

chaos_inar wrote:hey i reckon this is cool but i reckon the legs are a bit dainty or skinny kinda both

The legs where they are square in cross section will be getting a covering of thin sheet styrene the thickness depending on how the three segments look when assembled. This is in addition to the leg armor. (Thanks for the input Capt.Gordino)

The cylinderical portion of the ankle section appears to be right but I can always add another layer to thicken them up.

I'm pretty sure I have the cylindrical joints nailed as far as diameter but I just discovered I was mistaken in the length of both the middle (calf) and upper (thigh) length and will have to shorten them, the middle significantly.

This will subtract from the overall height estimate and I sure would like to know if the FW 10.5 inch height spec is based on the legs fully extended as straight as they can be assembled? My model when jury rigged together just makes 10.5" but looks weird as hell with the legs straight.LOL

I'm going to pick up about an eighth of an inch when the feet are assembled and another eighth when I adjust the height of the waist component.

I really appreciate the input as I am just guessing at th dimensions right now. What I really need is a few actual dimensions off of the original. Fortunately, nothing I've done cannot be amended without rebuilding the part but I hope to have the legs completed by Friday.

All input is welcome,

Thanks,

EB

More pictures later today

captain.gordino wrote:That would be because they don't have the armour on them yet, I assume. If you look at FW ones the actual legs are pretty scrawny, they just have big plates on them.

Thanks for the input Capt.Gordino,

The legs where they are square in cross section will be getting a covering of thin sheet styrene the thickness depending on how the three segments look when assembled. This will hide the seams of the substructure and flesh out the legs for a more robust look.

This is in addition to the leg armour as you so correctly pointed out.

All comments and criticisms are welcome because my goal is to have an exact replica when finished.

The not at all innovative on this one, Blackadder

looks pretty good for a wip

The_Blackadder wrote:

chaos_inar wrote:hey i reckon this is cool but i reckon the legs are a bit dainty or skinny kinda both

The legs where they are square in cross section will be getting a covering of thin sheet styrene the thickness depending on how the three segments look when assembled. This is in addition to the leg armor. (Thanks for the input Capt.Gordino)

The cylinderical portion of the ankle section appears to be right but I can always add another layer to thicken them up.

I'm pretty sure I have the cylindrical joints nailed as far as diameter but I just discovered I was mistaken in the length of both the middle (calf) and upper (thigh) length and will have to shorten them, the middle significantly.

This will subtract from the overall height estimate and I sure would like to know if the FW 10.5 inch height spec is based on the legs fully extended as straight as they can be assembled? My model when jury rigged together just makes 10.5" but looks weird as hell with the legs straight.LOL

I'm going to pick up about an eighth of an inch when the feet are assembled and another eighth when I adjust the height of the waist component.

I really appreciate the input as I am just guessing at th dimensions right now. What I really need is a few actual dimensions off of the original. Fortunately, nothing I've done cannot be amended without rebuilding the part but I hope to have the legs completed by Friday.

All input is welcome,

Well I can't say I wasn't told, 'Chaos_inar' said the legs looked skrawny and d---ed if he wasn't right. I just recalculated all the components and I'm lacking mm's in almost all measurements. This would be so much easier if some kind soul that actually has a Warhound would fain to give me a few vital dimensions. Not that any of the work done so far is completely wasted, it's just a matter of gluing on some more sheet styrene. The joints are scrap as there is no way I can beef them up to the proper dimension. Fortunately PVC tubing comes in the request size. Yes, I'm in the realm where a plumbing supply is my hobby store LOL

The Blackadder

It's been quite some time since I last addressed this thread. I've been quite busy the economy being what it is but I have made some progress on my (sons) Warhound.

When last I showed it I was apprised the legs were too delicate looking for the body. Absolutely correct and I scrapped 90% of the work I had done on the legs. Fortunately the new dimensions brought me up to the PVC pipe range which made the joints easier to fabricate. I kept the hull and covered it with .05" plastic sheeting. There is a commercial 7 minute epoxy made for plastic and it is wonderful stuff. It even adheres plastic to card stock.

I'll go into greater detail of the construction but first a picture to see if my effort meets your approval.

Blackadder

A few more images:

To be honest it currently looks like a top heavy chicken ,BUT ! so does the original. Ive only got a couple of Epic scale Warhounds for ref, but I think once you get the armour plating on the lower legs they will look much better.

It looks like you are doing a great job with this, I wish I was as brave as you to start a project like this and had half the skill needed to see it through

keep the pics coming, its looking good so far.

looks great!
what weapons are you going to arm it with?

StubbyGB wrote:To be honest it currently looks like a top heavy chicken ,BUT ! so does the original. Ive only got a couple of Epic scale Warhounds for ref, but I think once you get the armour plating on the lower legs they will look much better.

It looks like you are doing a great job with this, I wish I was as brave as you to start a project like this and had half the skill needed to see it through

keep the pics coming, its looking good so far.

Thanks for the candid input.; it looks like that to me as well. Now that I have an assembled set of legs and waist with the hull attached I superimposed my model on a side view of FW legs. The overall scale is correct but the hip cylinders are about a quarter of an inch small in diameter and likewise the ball mounted waist connection. The upper knee joint needs to be repositioned a quarter inch lower in the shank.

deadly chicken wrote:What weapons are you giong to arm it with?

eventually it will have a full complement of weapons but first will be the bolter and lascannons which are the easiest to fabricate. I've already made a plasma cannon for my Titan Hunter

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/210995.page#503153

so other than the tedium of making another it is the best looking weapon and to round out the ensemble the flame thrower which has a low priorty on my list. They will of course be quick change mounted and movable.

Thanks for the replies,

Blackadder

Well done! this looks absolutely, stonkingly, brilliant. I know how demanding scratch builds can be. As for the moving hydraulics, these are not too difficult. The outer tube and rod both need a pivot at the end and this is achieved with a pin (either styrene or brass) through the rod and through the piston securing tabs. make sure the hole through the rod is just big enough to allow the pin to rotate. Also leave the rod long enough so that it wont pop out at full extension. Hopefully this diagram may explain it better than words.

Looks like it will be cool. I look forward to further updates.

Finally the rear view which may not be the exact dimensions of the original as I made the generator housings a bit wider than FW on purpose. To my eye they look better and eliminate the gap between the generators and the top hull ventilating housing which I'm sure was done on the original model for assembly purposes; mine are faired into the vent housing which is more esthically pleasing IMHO.

The bottom view show the arms bays are still not covered with plastic card. You may also note that the right and left carapaces do not taper to the front as in the original FW Lucius Warhound. That was a choice I purposely made; I didn't like how it looked the other way.

Blackadder

I love titan builds. You titan builders man the Ork in me get excited. Nice work so far!!

One picture is worth a thousand words and in this case a thousand errors of perception. Working without any plan or measurement I have made numerous errors in scale and one digital photo revealed them. So after an all night rebuild here is the result plus I managed to attach the head as well. Incidentally all the leg and hip joints including the feet and toes are fully movable and posable at this point and I made the neck connection movable as well. Try that one FW

Whew,

E. Blackadder

Constructive critiques and comments would be greatly appreciated,

EB

wow that kicks ork ass.
do you have any templates or a list of materials so I can make one 2.
I doubt it will be anywhere near as good as that 1 though

deadly chicken wrote:wow that kicks ork ass.
do you have any templates or a list of materials so I can make one 2.
I doubt it will be anywhere near as good as that 1 though

I can give you a list of material and plan to give a step by step construction in future posts but I haven't so much as a single measurement or template to offer. everything I have done so far is by trial and error and redoing over and over until it looks right (to me). I have asked numerous times for measurements on many forums and received none although M. Silva was gracious enough to offer them in a PM, I missed that when I was taking a break from building.

I've made a lot of mistakes that I worked out so anyone attemption to duplicate this model won't have to repeat and for some foolish reason I spent a lot of time making the model fully posable which is probably a waste as once the pistons and cylinders are installed the range of motion will be severely limited even with 'Cadium's' thoughtful input.

The real fun part is ahead in the detailing of this model; the part I enjoy the most. All the basic structure assembly is behind me so the model as you see it is about as good as it going to be IMHO unless someone can point out some grievious flaw.

E. Blackadder

Regarding the above comment by me; I just mounted the head to the body today and I may have placed it a quarter inch too high on the neck so I'm aware of that discrepancy TYVM

I'll go into how I mounted the head and neck to allow full movement which could be accomplished on a FW model if anyone is interested

EB

I think its great. I really hope this isn't a grievious flaw...but when the weapons are on is it going to be too front heavy? I'd hate to see it fall face first onto the battlefield.

Hope it balances well. It looks great!

s.j.mccartney wrote:I think its great. I really hope this isn't a grievious flaw...but when the weapons are on is it going to be too front heavy? I'd hate to see it fall face first onto the battlefield.

Hope it balances well. It looks great!

I've already made plans to drill half inch holes in the screen generator housings (The bottom of course) and fill them with half inch lead rods as needed after the weapons and details are added. I also am going to move the pivot shaft forward a quarter inch, at the moment it is only tacked in with epoxy. The entire hull, carapace, and head cores are made of foam filled poster board covered with .5mm sheet styrene and only weighs a couple of 'ounces' not pounds as the FW resin model must weigh.

Thanks for the input,

EB

You know just when you think you have really nailed a hobby and are feelly good about the results of your efforts something comes along that puts you in your place. Take a look at what I found on the net. This d---ed thing stands 28" high and is so detailed as to make my warhound look like a cardboard box. This model is so incredibly detailed that at first I thought it was an artists painting.

What a fantastic model!!!

I have more images if anyone else doesn't feel inadequate enough.

Blackadder

The_Blackadder wrote:You know just when you think you have really nailed a hobby and are feelly good about the results of your efforts something comes along that puts you in your place. Take a look at what I found on the net. This d---ed thing stands 28" high and is so detailed as to make my warhound look like a cardboard box. This model is so incredibly detailed that at first I thought it was an artists painting.

What a fantastic model!!!

I have more images if anyone else doesn't feel inadequate enough.

Blackadder

Wow, what's the source URL for that?

/I used to think I was good at a few things, then I found the internet.