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precinctomega wrote:Can't... decide... faction...!

R.

Buy four!

BobbaFett wrote:
Djanbazan


Reverend Custodiers

Mmm so refreshing to see decent female models that do not feel the need to show as much skin as possible, and fit nicely with the range. Will be getting both of these for my own and Aurelia's forces once available.

About time we started adding hackers to the game.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Mmm so refreshing to see decent female models that do not feel the need to show as much skin as possible

Oh yes please combined army.

I'm fidning it hard to keep up with releases these days, but he's an essential purchase if I ever saw one.

The Asura's face seems a bit odd even if it looks quite callipygous. The quality is amazing as usual; I just disagree with the design choices.

Haqqislam is great as usual and will be my monthly buy, but that Nomad model is looking great.

Ah!

Another expensive INFINITY month - but well worth it!

@Pacific - PM'd you.

Part of my problem deciding is that there are loads of individual minis I really like, but they're all in different factions. Yes, I could buy more than one faction (I almost certainly will), but don't have time to paint them all at once (finding time to paint my own minis between commissions is almost impossible).

I have to buy one faction starting box to get going. But WHICH ONE???

R.

Well you CAN do a merc force that gives you availability to all forces, but it isn't tourney legal.

The official news has been released and it's nothing crazy like going full scale army size. (YAY)

"So what juicy bits did BranDo spoil?

-Confirmation the next expansion book is a scenario focused campaign book. There'll be a few new troops but just a few.

-There'll be another expansion book, Human Sphere like, which will introduce more new units, sectorials, weapons and equipment.

-TAGs! In a few months they'll start releasing a batch of TAGs they've had in production during all this time."

I want to like Infinity, the minis are drop-dead gorgeous, the universe has that pleasant 90s anime feeling, the rules are pretty decent. As a game system though, I thought it lacked maturity and playability, especially with a lack of ready-to-play scenarios.
And now they plan to release a scenario book ? I can hear my wallet crying.

Does anyone else find these poses absurd? The models themselves are fine, and actually exemplify quite excellent detail (as well as superb paint job), but the poses are trying way too hard to be unique/sexy. If not for the techno-FAMAS in the Reverend's left hand, it would literally look like a "sexy" dance of some kind-- certainly nothing we'd see on the battlefield! To be fair, INFINITY seems to have this problem in general, and it's not just this model, but it's a shame to see such great character designs marred by their outlandish poses.

Yeah, it's my least favorite aspect of the female models, really. So many of them are like that.

I agree. GW are much better at realistic, non-dance-like battlefield poses on their women figures.

While I agree with your observations, we might do well to cut them a little slack.

Obviously it's a fine, subjective line between posed and dynamic. CB sculptors are straying from the ideal course but have you seen GW's latest offerings?

I'll take the Reverend "Disco" Custodiers over the mono pose wracks and grotesques anytime.


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To be fair KK, wyches should incorporate a little "dance of death" into the design.

Kilkrazy wrote:I agree. GW are much better at realistic, non-dance-like battlefield poses on their women figures.

Those figures are unrepresentative of the latest from GW. The updated version of that very unit let's you make their own poses, and the figures are generally far more practical-looking (as "practical" as space elf dual wield gladiators can be, anyway):



Further, even the bad old models you posted aren't falling over themselves trying to be sexy, they're just really poorly fit into "dynamic" poses. One thing that GW does fairly well is avoid "sexing up" the poses on their female models (Repentia and old female Commissar aside)-- even Lelith Hesperax, who is wearing a thong, looks like someone who's more likely to stick a knife in your throat than seduce you-- as it should be on the battlefield!

BlueDagger wrote:The official news has been released and it's nothing crazy like going full scale army size. (YAY)

"So what juicy bits did BranDo spoil?

-Confirmation the next expansion book is a scenario focused campaign book. There'll be a few new troops but just a few.

-There'll be another expansion book, Human Sphere like, which will introduce more new units, sectorials, weapons and equipment.

-TAGs! In a few months they'll start releasing a batch of TAGs they've had in production during all this time."

Awesome news, especially about the next expansion and the TAGs!

And especially about NOT going to 'mass battles'!

Fetterkey wrote:Does anyone else find these poses absurd? The models themselves are fine, and actually exemplify quite excellent detail (as well as superb paint job), but the poses are trying way too hard to be unique/sexy. If not for the techno-FAMAS in the Reverend's left hand, it would literally look like a "sexy" dance of some kind-- certainly nothing we'd see on the battlefield! To be fair, INFINITY seems to have this problem in general, and it's not just this model, but it's a shame to see such great character designs marred by their outlandish poses.

Sidstyler wrote:Yeah, it's my least favorite aspect of the female models, really. So many of them are like that.

I really don't have a problem with it, outside of one or two models.

It is part of the Infinity Aesthetic.

I'm sure it helps sell models to their target demographic too, and in the end, it isn't nearly as bad as it could be!

Sidstyler wrote:

Fetterkey wrote:Does anyone else find these poses absurd? The models themselves are fine, and actually exemplify quite excellent detail (as well as superb paint job), but the poses are trying way too hard to be unique/sexy. If not for the techno-FAMAS in the Reverend's left hand, it would literally look like a "sexy" dance of some kind-- certainly nothing we'd see on the battlefield! To be fair, INFINITY seems to have this problem in general, and it's not just this model, but it's a shame to see such great character designs marred by their outlandish poses.

Yeah, it's my least favorite aspect of the female models, really. So many of them are like that.

I'd say you are both over stating the issue myself, while I agree there are some who are sorta, slightly pushing boundries on the 'I want to be sexy' scale, many of the female figs are well designed and proportioned, while in some very cool and interesting action poses. As I would suggest this selection of the female figures shows, of whats left I haven't put a pic up of, many more fall into this style, than the overly sexual 'dance' style you mention in my opinion.



































Heck even those I'd suggest are on the edge such as Reverend Moria's, are still in what seems to be some kind of combat pose and fit with the general setting. For me, if we are talking about trying to be too sexy, I'd be thinking of this range myself.








Nothing wrong with any of these for what they are by the way, just saying, if infinity figures all start to seem to be like these girls I'll be able to see where you are coming from, until then, I'm happy with what they are producing for the game.

Fetterkey wrote:Does anyone else find these poses absurd? The models themselves are fine, and actually exemplify quite excellent detail (as well as superb paint job), but the poses are trying way too hard to be unique/sexy. If not for the techno-FAMAS in the Reverend's left hand, it would literally look like a "sexy" dance of some kind-- certainly nothing we'd see on the battlefield! To be fair, INFINITY seems to have this problem in general, and it's not just this model, but it's a shame to see such great character designs marred by their outlandish poses.

You are of course entitled to your opinion. However, I find your entire argument flawed. Corvus Belli have made a design decision, and have created a style. WHile it's true that some may not enjoy that style, I think it's a little small minded to label it as a problem. GW has a style that I do not subscribe to, but while it's notmy thing, I wouldn't consider it a problem that has plagued their designs...it's just not for me.

Ultimately, if the range of miniatures doesn't interest you, I don't really understand why you would advertise that point on a thread dedicated to Infinity? The majority of people who frequent this thread enjoy the Infinity styling, and while it's by no means a locked environment, it just seems a little counter productive to stop by simply to air your dislike for the range? Aside from the fact that nobody would really care, you always have the choice to not buy......

Personally, I give feedback so that companies have a better idea of what their potential customers want. Therefore I consider it important to post both positive and negative critiques of things. I for one consider this element of the Infinity æsthetic/design a problem, because I find it silly and embarrassing and wouldn't want to own any model with such a pose. On the other hand, Morathi's Darkest Sin just posted pictures of several other female Infinity models. While some of those do fall into to the oversexualized category I mentioned earlier, with exposed midriffs and the like (one is even called an odalisque, for heaven's sake!), others strike me as much better, while also clear examples of the Infinity æsthetic. The "Avicenna" model, for instance-- while clearly stylized-- strikes me as particularly impressive.

Overall, I think that while the sexualized poses might be part of the Infinity æsthetic, they aren't an essential element of it, and I just want to register that I for one am much more likely to buy models without such poses than models with them.

Heheh


At least one overly sexual model

Corvus Belli offer a wide range of figures for Infinity, all rooted in a manga design aesthetic.

The females range from the perfectly acceptable



to the bizarre



and present a number which could be called "sexy" or seen as female soldiers in figure hugging suits, or bare midriff outfits. (These can be painted over.)



I think there's something there for everyone, unless you dislike the core aesthetic.

Most of the armies have enough options to allow you to pick several female models which aren't in short skirts and disco poses. A typical force only contains about a dozen models.

wow, at least Infinity models have some pose rather than other companies out there...The last GW female that had any pose was Lilith from the new Dark Eldar range.

To me each game has a certain aesthetic and you either like it or hate it. For infinity it is heavily influenced by Japanese animation, therefore you have more sexuality than you would find in say, Warhammer 40k.

40K and Fantasy has skulls galore and little in the way of dynamic posing, at least in my own humble opinion. Blood Angels had some decent posing, and some of the dark eldar range, but I feel like they dropped the ball with the Grey Knight special characters...

Warmahordes tends to have the large over exaggerated armor found in anime as well, so many people cannot stand there miniatures due to this issue and that is their opinion. Often times, I find lately that Warmachine is suffering a bit from what GW is suffering from which is a lack of posing and a rather static and ridged poses.

I personally like Anime, therefore I enjoy both Warmachine/Hordes and Infinity, but lately I have been turned off from 40k/Fantasy due to their aesthetic as well as business practices amongst other things.

As with any game system if you feel uncomfortable playing with a reverand moria figure, the one with the Multi-rifle, than don't play her! They make enough miniatures where you don't have to play with certain figures if you don't want to!

The thing that draws me to Infinity, aside from great rules, is the miniature line. Many of the models have great poses full of character even amongst the basic line troops. I have started both Ariadna and Yu Jing and can say that even the basic Galwegian, Celestial Guard and other base line troops have more character in their tiny metal bodies than many other companies lines put together...

just sayin..

Fetterkey wrote:Personally, I give feedback so that companies have a better idea of what their potential customers want. Therefore I consider it important to post both positive and negative critiques of things. I for one consider this element of the Infinity æsthetic/design a problem, because I find it silly and embarrassing and wouldn't want to own any model with such a pose. On the other hand, Morathi's Darkest Sin just posted pictures of several other female Infinity models. While some of those do fall into to the oversexualized category I mentioned earlier, with exposed midriffs and the like (one is even called an odalisque, for heaven's sake!), others strike me as much better, while also clear examples of the Infinity æsthetic. The "Avicenna" model, for instance-- while clearly stylized-- strikes me as particularly impressive.

Overall, I think that while the sexualized poses might be part of the Infinity æsthetic, they aren't an essential element of it, and I just want to register that I for one am much more likely to buy models without such poses than models with them.

I'd think you'd be better served e-mailing or writing CB directly. I'm pretty sure that they aren't checking this thread on a regular basis.

Additionally, do you know the background and the powers of the "odalisque", in the Infinity setting? It might ease your concerns there too.

Kilkrazy wrote:

precinctomega wrote:Can't... decide... faction...!

R.

Buy four!

Thats what I did, now i'm thinking about the other 3.

While I can sort of see the point on the 'sexualised' poses, I'm far more taken with the fact that here is a company willing to push the boundaries a little regarding posing, rather than just releasing streams of miniatures in 'Generic Pose A, B & C'... The dynamic posing is a very large part of what makes the Infinity range stand out.

Let me put here some info that maybe could help you in your arguments.

This model here:



Among the Top10 Best selling Infinity models of 2009.

I was in an official Tournament and some CB staff were there, they were talking with the fans and someone said that he didn´t like the Daktaris. Sales numbers were the answer.
This measn that while some people really seem to hate female sexualized models, other people seem to like them and even buy them.
Who is CB going to listen to? the people buying their product or the people writing in the internet?

Fetterkey wrote:Personally, I give feedback so that companies have a better idea of what their potential customers want. Therefore I consider it important to post both positive and negative critiques of things. I for one consider this element of the Infinity æsthetic/design a problem, because I find it silly and embarrassing and wouldn't want to own any model with such a pose. On the other hand, Morathi's Darkest Sin just posted pictures of several other female Infinity models. While some of those do fall into to the oversexualized category I mentioned earlier, with exposed midriffs and the like (one is even called an odalisque, for heaven's sake!), others strike me as much better, while also clear examples of the Infinity æsthetic. The "Avicenna" model, for instance-- while clearly stylized-- strikes me as particularly impressive.

Overall, I think that while the sexualized poses might be part of the Infinity æsthetic, they aren't an essential element of it, and I just want to register that I for one am much more likely to buy models without such poses than models with them.

Ok, so you consider it a problem.....what do you expect Corvus Belli to do about it? I really think you reaction to their miniatures is a minority opinion, and while it's a corner of the market that they may never sell to, I think they can live with that. However, my point still stands, you find it "silly" and "embarrassing"....well, fine, thank you for your opinion, it's logged, now please walk away.....I'm not being rude, but there really is nothing more to be said on the matter....and I'm still not sure why you bothered to post this particular opinion here....kinda like me walking (voluntarily) into a biker bar, just to explain how much I hate bikes and bikers.

Some would call it trolling, but we're more enlightened than that I'm sure

Delephont wrote:and I'm still not sure why you bothered to post this particular opinion here....

Because it's a thread concerning Infinity miniatures and as such is the single best place around to express someones opinion on the products presented? He sees a mini, he doesn't like it, he says why. I see lots of posts like that all over GW, PP or indie threads and no one seems to have any issues with it.

His Master's Voice wrote:

Delephont wrote:and I'm still not sure why you bothered to post this particular opinion here....

Because it's a thread concerning Infinity miniatures and as such is the single best place around to express someones opinion on the products presented? He sees a mini, he doesn't like it, he says why. I see lots of posts like that all over GW, PP or indie threads and no one seems to have any issues with it.

Yep, I can see that. I guess, my issue comes from the way he stated his opinion. Calling the miniatures "silly" and embarrassing", and stating that the range has a "problem" are kinda sweeping statements based on nothing but his dislike for the range......a range I might add, that he freely admitted to not knowing well. The whole post came across as very flippant and arrogant (IMHO).

However, I can also see that I over-reacted to his comments......which is also counter productive! We who worship at the throne of Corvus Belli should be shining examples of taking the high road

Of course Infinity range has a problem! The minatures are so freaking amazing that they are making people spend huge amounts of money just to get some of the best miniatures ever sculpted. Its a HUGE problem because they are growing very fast and producing tons of minis and people are buying it more and more...
You guys read it first here, Infinity is taking over your Hobby and they will not rest until you take the jump and paint one of their minis... once you do that your doomed... Someone should stop such "ridiculous" line, its not even funny.