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Noisy_Marine wrote:If sarge is a character then at least we will get some use out of it. Although turning into a spawn on snake eyes sounds a lot worse then become stupid for the rest of the game. Especially when you consider how useless spawn have been in the last codex.

Page 63 plus the Appendix says sarges are characters in 40k.

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:It sounds like GW are trying to pawn people off with a Chaos flyer in the hope they'll ignore how bad the codex will probably be!

That's quite the joke there! Oh wait, your serious......

Really?

If cult troops are only accessible as troops by taking special characters then I hope said special characters are either new or get new sculpts.

Gotta agree with that, Kharn and Adabbon really need new sculpts, along with the Greater Daemons.

Manchu wrote:If cult troops are only accessible as troops by taking special characters then I hope said special characters are either new or get new sculpts.

100% agreement there.

I am really going to be ticked if they want me to take Ahriman to lead the Thousand Sons, or Bile for the Emperors Children.

Noisy_Marine wrote:
Unit champions act like characters but are not characters. They get the benefits of Look Out Sir and have to be picked up individually for attacks. Also, they can give and accept challenges. However they are not really characters and don't count for Eye of the Gods. Makes it a fairly useless rule.

If sarge is a character then at least we will get some use out of it. Although turning into a spawn on snake eyes sounds a lot worse then become stupid for the rest of the game. Especially when you consider how useless spawn have been in the last codex.

Maybe GW will take more of an approach where the situation adds to your die roll... that way if you do something more significant it might in the least diminish the possibility of spawning a character into uselessness. I also hope GW makes chaos spawn more worthwhile than they have been.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:I am really going to be ticked if they want me to take Ahriman to lead the Thousand Sons

That's exactly what I had in mind. Even Typhus could use an update. It's not that they are bad models. But we know that GW can do a lot better even than them in the wake of the DE releases.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:

Manchu wrote:If cult troops are only accessible as troops by taking special characters then I hope said special characters are either new or get new sculpts.

100% agreement there.

I am really going to be ticked if they want me to take Ahriman to lead the Thousand Sons, or Bile for the Emperors Children.

Kind of funny really.

Considering 3/4 likely candidates (Ahriman, Kharn, Typhus) are renegades or exiles from their own Legions.

The sculpts on Ahriman and Kharn are old as well. We're going to the realm of Chaos Dreadnought old. Which, bar the Avatar, some Eldar and some SW SCs are the oldest things in 40k at the moment.

I expect it will require 'Marked' characters (Lords, Princes, Sorcerers) to take Cult troops, but if it's special characters, some Undivided armies would require allot of overhaul, meaning GW get's more cash....

I'll just use the "counts as" rule.
No, no, no, that's not Typhus... My lord just bumped him off and stole his gak...

A black legion army may be able to take cult troops as troop choices. Or not.

Noisy_Marine wrote:A black legion army may be able to take cult troops as troop choices. Or not.

I imagine if it's lead by Adabbon or a lord with a Legion mark (if they exist) would remove the "0-1" or Elite status of the Cult Troops, otherwise that's gonna be a kick in the teeth for me.

Marked HQ units being able to take cult troops is a pretty radical step by GW, it's not as if its been done before

Of course, whenever I make the point that Chaos needs at least 3 books (legions, renegades, daemons) to do it justice, instead of cramming everything into one book, I get accused of trolling!

Everbody looks to be getting fliers in 6th, so any new chaos flier will be a big deal for GW, and IMO, be detrimental to the rest of the codex.

blood reaper wrote:Gotta agree with that, Kharn and Adabbon really need new sculpts, along with the Greater Daemons.

In theory there will be no more demons in the chaos codex.
Not sure if that applies to the greater demon but people have been implying this.

I like the Model for typhus, and if the dragon flier looks lame i will kit bash my own. The thought of a biomechanical dragon just does not sit well with me. Defilers are demon engine and when you look at them its nearly impossible to see a "demon" component.

I hope if Chaos does get a plastic Flyer kit, that it won't be like the FW ones. They're not bad, per se, but they are so plain that it makes me think I could make one almost as good with plasticard and a little time and patience.

I really hope that special characters unlock different list types. something like the master of the forge would be great if it allowed you to take say defilers as elite choices. Or something like the Ork Mech that allowed dreads to be taken as troops. I realise that chaos, like orks, have many really dedicated players and it will be very hard to make everyone happy with this dex but i have high hopes.

On the same note, i had high hopes for the nids dex and its release resulted in me selling off my nids.

sennacherib wrote:I really hope that special characters unlock different list types. something like the master of the forge would be great if it allowed you to take say defilers as elite choices. Or something like the Ork Mech that allowed dreads to be taken as troops. I realise that chaos, like orks, have many really dedicated players and it will be very hard to make everyone happy with this dex but i have high hopes.

On the same note, i had high hopes for the nids dex and its release resulted in me selling off my nids.

Defiler's as troops? HELL YEAH!

Anyway...

I'd hope black legion / undivided could take 1 certain HQ or mark that allows you to get 1 of each cult as troops instead of elites, as opposed to a specific marked HQ being able to take unlimited of 1 cult. For example, taking a khorne marked lord you could have 4 troops of khorne berzerkers. Or, taking an undivided / black legion marked lord would let you get 1 plague marine troop, 1 thousand sons troop, 1 khorne berzerkers troop at the same time.

Also, it would be cool if the model that gets upgraded to a Daemon Prince rolled for that chance to be able to be promoted to a DP upon entering a challenge, rather than on completion of it. Like, I issue or accept a challenge, roll on a table, possibly turn into a daemon prince, and THEN fight the challenge. SURPRISE, you thought you were fighting an aspiring champion, but LOL IT'S ACTUALLY A DAEMON PRINCE

sennacherib wrote:I really hope that special characters unlock different list types.

Minus Huron and Abaddon, I don't.

I like the idea that most Chaos characters are so self-involved and selfish that they don't care for their warband, or act as force multipliers, but instead act as giant beatsticks.
Huron and Abaddon however, clearly should work as force multipliers at least IMHO.

Neko from Warseer:

"Ok, after communing with the dark gods, I have a codex release in October. Looks like we might just be waiting a little longer than expected.

Also, from what I can tell about the new type of jump troop, I would say that they are to Raptors what Obliterators are to Havocs."

Don't care about raptors or oblits.

Want new book.

Brometheus wrote:Neko from Warseer:

"Ok, after communing with the dark gods, I have a codex release in October. Looks like we might just be waiting a little longer than expected.

Also, from what I can tell about the new type of jump troop, I would say that they are to Raptors what Obliterators are to Havocs."

Dear lord Jump Pack Terminators with interchangeable power weapons?

Nothing more chaotic than that.

Not to say that people posting rumors are all wrong (or that one is *better* than the others), but all this "My source says August" "My source says September" "My source says October" means to me that GW are throwing loops around on purpose.

Or people just make stuff up to look cool on the internet.

I'll add that one to the OP and to the Rumor Accuracy thread.

Brometheus wrote:Nothing more chaotic than that.

Not to say that people posting rumors are all wrong (or that one is *better* than the others), but all this "My source says August" "My source says September" "My source says October" means to me that GW are throwing loops around on purpose.

The perfect plan muhahahaha

I am not really bothered tbh, it seems next month will be good whatever it is, either the starter set, chaos or flyers, I am happy with any.

CHAOS.
i look forward to jump pack equipped terminator if that is indeed what the new raptors are like. What would such a thing be called. Hmmm.

Also really cant wait to see if defilers get a 5+ invulnerable as i have heard suggested. Not sure if this would make them worthwhile when facing troops in melee since hitting dreads on a 3+ in melee with grenades seems like it was a HUGE nerf to their effectiveness ( well not that huge as a 10 man tactical squad only gets 1 glance on average, but with a 5+ invuln. that would make em a lot more survivable in the current glance to death meta).

Maybe they'll decide that Defilers should have greater HTH skill than Guardsmen and give them WS4.

And October? Uhh... not good.

And for the love of Khorne, please don’t let Cult Troops only become available as Troops via special characters. That would be tragic.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

And for the love of Khorne, please don’t let Cult Troops only become available as Troops via special characters. That would be tragic.

Agreed, I quit this hobby because of the current Chaos codex and because my troops could lose their Mark if they dropped their Icon. If I'm forced to use a Special Character to create a themed army then I'll wait another 4-5 years to get into the hobby.

I frankly don't care that much if you need to take a named SC to unlock your force org, since I can always counts-as. I'd rather not though.

Chaospling wrote: If I'm forced to use a Special Character to create a themed army then I'll wait another 4-5 years to get into the hobby.

And the next time around, they'll do the same thing


It'll be decades before they fix it!

sennacherib wrote:CHAOS.
i look forward to jump pack equipped terminator if that is indeed what the new raptors are like. What would such a thing be called. Hmmm.

Also really cant wait to see if defilers get a 5+ invulnerable as i have heard suggested. Not sure if this would make them worthwhile when facing troops in melee since hitting dreads on a 3+ in melee with grenades seems like it was a HUGE nerf to their effectiveness ( well not that huge as a 10 man tactical squad only gets 1 glance on average, but with a 5+ invuln. that would make em a lot more survivable in the current glance to death meta).

I'm pretty sure you still use the dread's WS as normal. It shouldn't be an instant 3+

Yeah, having to use special characters would be stupid. I hope they aren't insane enough to try that.

It would be nice if defilers could strike at the same time as a dreadnought, and with the same weapon skill.