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http://privateerpress.com/company/mkii-rules-and-model-info-available-for-pdf-download

Seriously, this is how you know if your game company of choice likes its player-base.

Meh, more like the inmates running the asylum.

Ah now, this is a really good thing. How can you be negative about it?

This is excellent and quite unexpected.

I can't help it (comes too naturely). I assumed that it was more laziness on PP's part (why develop it ourself when the fans can), but if people feel that the game is a lot better than I'll give my kudos to PP.

I would try it, but people gave up on WM in our area a long time ago. I hope that the experiment is successful though.

Great ;P


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Great ;P PP is always awesome like this.

I will aid all those downloading in breaking their servers!

**fingers crossed** maybe Defilers will be worth something ** hope * hope **

barlio wrote:I can't help it (comes too naturely). I assumed that it was more laziness on PP's part (why develop it ourself when the fans can), but if people feel that the game is a lot better than I'll give my kudos to PP.

I would try it, but people gave up on WM in our area a long time ago. I hope that the experiment is successful though.

Spoken like someone who's never worked in software development.

"The Community" participated in the "open beta" and gave feedback. They did not "write Mark II".

But that's not what this news is. That was 2008's news.



This 2009 news is huge because:

A) A major miniature game company has released the final 'rules' to a new edition of the game early

B) All the factions in the game have had their new rules released at the same time

C) They are all FREE

Of course the books will be full of amazing artwork and background fiction to make you want to buy them. But still, Privateer Press is still being innovative in the miniature gaming space.

Ooooh Grasshopper sees now. I will admit that is pretty cool (being early and having factions ready at the same time).

Forgive me Russ?

I'm still buying books even though it has same info as cards ;P

Biggest surprise of 2009?

This kind of thing is why PP is awesome. They gave us a chance to inform the fine-tuning of the rules and then give the raw data to us 4 months early. I'm so glad I got into this game. Way to involve the community, PP!

I hate them so much, I'm giving them more of my money

It's markedly different to GW's approach, ain't it?

Sadly, this doesn't cover hordes as far as I know, so Hordes players are still left out in the dark while everyone plays with their fancy new Mk2 rules.

Belphegor [me]: **fingers crossed** maybe Defilers will be worth something ** hope * hope **

^^ Fail ^^

But the Necrosurgeon does it's job now.

Vertrucio wrote:Sadly, this doesn't cover hordes as far as I know, so Hordes players are still left out in the dark while everyone plays with their fancy new Mk2 rules.

And a final word to our Hordes players who still have a much longer wait ahead of them; please know that we are working very hard to put out the Hordes MkII field test as soon as possible. Because of what we have learned through the MkII field test, we believe our first public draft of the Hordes MkII rules will much more closely resemble what the final rules will look like. Because of that, it is our intention to make the Hordes MkII Field Test rules official upon posting so that Hordes players can continue to participate in our organized play events alongside WARMACHINE players until the Hordes MkII book comes out next summer. The caveat of course is that things WILL change, but probably much less dramatically than some of the WARMACHINE changes that we observed.

Thank you all for your patience, your feedback, and your continued support.

And play like you’ve got MkII…

Matt Wilson
Privateer Press
Chief Creative Officer

Vertrucio wrote:Sadly, this doesn't cover hordes as far as I know, so Hordes players are still left out in the dark while everyone plays with their fancy new Mk2 rules.

PP did mention the Hordes folks too in this release...

And a final word to our Hordes players who still have a much longer wait ahead of them; please know that we are working very hard to put out the Hordes MkII field test as soon as possible. Because of what we have learned through the MkII field test, we believe our first public draft of the Hordes MkII rules will much more closely resemble what the final rules will look like. Because of that, it is our intention to make the Hordes MkII Field Test rules official upon posting so that Hordes players can continue to participate in our organized play events alongside WARMACHINE players until the Hordes MkII book comes out next summer. The caveat of course is that things WILL change, but probably much less dramatically than some of the WARMACHINE changes that we observed.

Not soon enough for Hordes fans I know, but at least it's something.

Force Books: Privateer is being clever about these also. All you really need is the printed out PDF, and your faction deck. But you'll want to get the force books eventually, because this is the only place the new "Army Themes" will be covered for your faction.

"Themes" are essentially a bonus ability your army gets if it includes certain units/warjacks/casters and not others.

I think I sounded a bit too harsh in my post. I was more posting about it not having the rules, rather than overly whining. I was whining a little though.

The fact is, I'm sure the Hordes test rules simply aren't ready, otherwise they would have posted them alongside this release.

To repeat something I posed on the PP site, this online release of Mk2 is just plain common sense in today's market.

The internet is just a huge marketing tool, and companies make money of the miniatures. You release these Mk2 rules now gaining a ton of fan support and appreciation. You also get positive PR from all sorts of industry news sites, word of mouth. Then, when it comes time to do demos and such you can get people even more interested when they know they can get the full rules without shelling out $20-$50 just for the ability to look at them.

Thinking of all that, if they're smart enough to release this online, they would have been smart enough to release the Hordes test too if it was anywhere near ready, which is likely isn't. That said, they should have been working on both from the start and planned this online release better so they could have avoided the whole negativity, confusion, and lull period in the transition between Mk1 and 2.

Since the server is mega slow, I'm willing to gmail the files to anyone who wants them. Just shoot me a pm if interested.

They pretty much have to do this, to keep their game going.

People have slowed their buying because they don't know whether they want the models, without knowing what the rules are. Hordes people are wondering who they will play with after people switch to MK2 and they get kicked to the back of the bus for a few months. Retailers have stuff on their racks that will soon be outdated rulebooks, and miniatures with outdated rules cards.

And we have a holiday buying system coming, with the MK2 ruels scheduled for January. Not a good combo.

By putting out the rules online, they solve a lot of these problems and keep sales going, and people buying and painting miniatures, and interested in their games. Good move, and a necessary move.

Part of it might be be cause they appreciate their customers, but certainly some of it is because they are a business, and businesses have to stay profitable.

Anyone know where a summary is of the general changes. I looked through the Khador stuff and didn't see many changes.

I would rather have actual words or at least lettered contractions/acronyms instead of all those stupid icons. That's one of the things that turned me off of Rackham's games.

Just downloaded it. Overall I'm very impressed with the Cryx changes. No complaints here.

Someone's bound to post a complete summary of changes soon.

barlio wrote:Meh, more like the inmates running the asylum.

Batman: Arkham Asylum is awesome!

JohnHwangDD wrote:

barlio wrote:Meh, more like the inmates running the asylum.

Batman: Arkham Asylum is awesome!

batman in warmachine=batman shooting lightning bolts while the batjack stomps something.......

Techboss wrote:Anyone know where a summary is of the general changes. I looked through the Khador stuff and didn't see many changes.

You may want to recheck the Drakuhn. When dismounted he's on a small base.

You Got to Give Privateer Press Mad Props for posting their new rules for free on their site.

greenskin lynn wrote:
batman in warmachine=batman shooting lightning bolts while the batjack stomps something.......

nananananananaanana BATJACK!!

mikhaila wrote:They pretty much have to do this, to keep their game going.

People have slowed their buying because they don't know whether they want the models, without knowing what the rules are. Hordes people are wondering who they will play with after people switch to MK2 and they get kicked to the back of the bus for a few months. Retailers have stuff on their racks that will soon be outdated rulebooks, and miniatures with outdated rules cards.

And we have a holiday buying system coming, with the MK2 ruels scheduled for January. Not a good combo.

By putting out the rules online, they solve a lot of these problems and keep sales going, and people buying and painting miniatures, and interested in their games. Good move, and a necessary move.

Part of it might be be cause they appreciate their customers, but certainly some of it is because they are a business, and businesses have to stay profitable.

Surely not?!?!?! Surely it's because PP loves us!!!!!!! (And a certain other giant mini company doesn't!)
/Sarcasm

Seriously though, mikhaila, if you post truisms like this, the fanboyz have nothing to cling to.

Battlefront did something similar when they switched to 2nd edition Flames of War. They gave free mini-rulebooks to anyone with a 1st edition book (and some places you didn't even need a 1st ed. book to get a mini-rulebook) and it was awesome. This is equally awesome, and definitely increases my good will towards PP, which is beneficial for them and me. I feel like this is a win/win situation.