Beasts of Chaos thread...

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**reds8n**

*cracks knuckles*

Righto : this is the first fantasy armybook of 2010, comes out quarter 1...I guess we should view this, even more so than the Skaven, as being built to take into account the ongoing 8th edition WFB release next year and changes therein.

Plastic Minotaurs and Besigors and a few metal models as well, Mr. Scryer in the Darkness from Warseer dug up the following :

Doombull (Metal Box) - TBD
Grulgor* (Metal Box) - TBD
Gors (Plastic Box) - TBD
Ungors (Plastic Box) - TBD
Bestigors (Plastic Box) - 32,50 €
Minotaurs (Plastic Box) - 35,00 €

And the Chariot got a new product code, though that may not necessarily mean it's getting a new model.

Gors (Plastic Box) - £15.00 / US?? / 19,50 € / Oz$41.00
Ungors (Plastic Box) - £15.00 / US?? / 19,50 € / Oz$41.00
Bestigors (Plastic Box) - £25.00 / US?? / 32,50 € / Oz$69.00
Minotaurs (Plastic Box) - £27.00 / US?? / 35,00 € / Oz$74.00

But the metal box codes are a bit muddied by the multitude of new codes for existing metal products that aren't actually going to to be getting new kits. I have three metal products that are "new", I'm pretty certain the first two are Doombull and Grulgor respectively, and I get the feeling that the £35 box is just the existing Centigors. So I'll just leave these unassigned for the moment until I can get a confirmation on what is actually new and what has just been given a new product code:

(Metal Box) - £15.00 / US$25.00 / 22,50 € / Oz$44.00
(Metal Box) - £25.00 / US$41.25 / 32,50 € / Oz$69.00
(Metal Box) - £35.00 / US$57.75 / 50,00 € / Oz$96.00

I believe he is right with regards to the centigors.. and perhaps this "grulgor" is either a special character -- there has been talk of a "revered beast spawn"-- some overly mutated or messed up beastman "hero" or perhaps is the "new" monster the army is getting perhaps ?

Thanks to Mr. Grimgorironhide for these rumours

Not sure if already posted but I found this off warhammer forums.
"Beastmen due out at the start of March.
*** Herds/Ungors are still mixed and rank up 5 wide. Champions no longer confer a +1 LD bonus - however the majority of beast units and characters have went up 1 in LD.
*** Ambush is still available to the herds.
*** Minotaur lords are still available and have access to Beast mutations. Makes minotaurs core.
*** Chariots are now special choices but 2 for 1.
*** Centigors are core and fast cav however you still need to take gors/ungors/bestigors to fill up your core slots.
*** Gorgon is the new monster in the Rare spots.
*** Centigor Hero available
*** Beastlords with LD9"
The width issue is a no brainer to be fixed, I think we can take that as a given. I have also heard talk about different "breeds" of warhounds perhaps being available... I'm guessing this might be as simple as buying them poisoned attacks/regeneration/clown shoes and red noses etc etc.

I gather the roles of the Shaman and the Minotaurs will be expanded upon in this release.. makes sense and is, again, a kind of retrotastic move by GW back towards the RoC era fluff.

**MeanGreenStompa**

Beats of Chaos?

Sounds like an 90s compilation album.

**reds8n**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Beats of Chaos?
.

...

SHAZAM ! Look.. it never happened... actually I think there was a series of 90s electronica called "Tyranny of the beats" one of the songs featured samples of the Borgised Picard.

..anyway..[/hijack]

back to our furry woodland friends.

**MeanGreenStompa**

Indeed, I hope they get minotaurs right this time, some mindbogglingly ugly models for them atm.

And yes, all that talk of minotaur lords and shamen gettin expanded put me immediately in mind of the minotaur and shamen champions in RoC-The Lost and the Damned.

**Alpharius**

I know the answer is probably "no", but I am hoping that the other Beasts of Chaos are still available in a Beasts of Chaos army.

You know, Giants, Trolls and Dragon Ogres.

Sadly, though, I'm guessing that these Beasts are now only in the Mortals of Chaos army, right?

I hope not though...

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

So if that's coming in March.....

What is the censored Black Box for Fantasy arriving in January?

**Kid_Kyoto**

I wonder how they'll be packaged. The new skaven have an honest to gosh price drop, 20 for $33 down from 20 for $35 and TONS better than the 10 for $22 GW has been pushing lately.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

In tens I'd imagine at those prices (£12 for 10 is the norm these days)

**spacewolflord**

If dragon Orgers are still in the beast army then I hope to the dark gods that they get some new models. They are worse then the Minotaurs to me.

**Alpharius**

They could certainly benefit from a re-sculpt, bringing them inline with the excellent Shaggoth model.

That is, if these Beasts are still Beasts...

**Tim the Biovore**

Where are the plastic khorngors and pestigors?

**warpcrafter**

So Gors and Ungors are in separate boxes this time? That's good news. The spear that came on the last plastic Ungors were pitifully delicate. I hope the plastic Minotaurs look better than the ones that came with Warhammer Quest.

**Flashman**

Tim the Biovore wrote:Where are the plastic khorngors and pestigors?

Unlikey to happen, but maybe the Bestigor box will have a few Chaos God specific icons to scatter around the regiment. Either that or you paint them red, green, pink or blue depending on your chosen allegience.

**reds8n**

warpcrafter wrote:So Gors and Ungors are in separate boxes this time? That's good news. The spear that came on the last plastic Ungors were pitifully delicate. I hope the plastic Minotaurs look better than the ones that came with Warhammer Quest.

..maybe...I'm not saying it's impossible but that's a fair old recut of the current sprues they've done here then.

If so I'd say we can take this to mean the death of the current "mixed" units anyway.

**bubber**

Hope the minotaurs get hooves not feet.
Then I might redo my army.

**Deff Dread red Edition**

After I saw they were coming out(about 4-5 days ago on another forum)I put off my plans to do skaven. Really love them can't wait for them to come out!

**BrassScorpion**

Hope the minotaurs get hooves not feet.

Minotaurs are based on the monster of classical Greek mythology, Asterius, called the Minotaur, slain by Theseus. That Minotaur was a man with the head of a bull. Man with the head of a bull = Minotaur. Bull with the head of a bull = bull. If the GW Minotaur models had hooves they wouldn't be monstrous Minotaurs, they'd be cattle.

I like the models the way they are, though I've found them to be more fragile than expected as a unit in games. Big scary models don't always equate to scary in games if the rules leave them a bit frail.

Glad to see a lot more plastic on the way. But what of Khorngors and Pestigors? And will Slaanesh and Tzeentch finally get dedicated Beastman models?

**Platuan4th**

BrassScorpion wrote:
Hope the minotaurs get hooves not feet.

Minotaurs are based on the monster of classical Greek mythology, Asterius, called the Minotaur, slain by Theseus. That Minotaur was a man with the head of a bull. Man with the head of a bull = Minotaur. Bull with the head of a bull = bull. If the GW Minotaur models had hooves they wouldn't be monstrous Minotaurs, they'd be cattle.

Yep, whilst it has become standard Fantasy fare to see Minotaurs with hooves(something that springs from D&D it appears, as I can't find anything older that shows anything other than feet, except one illustration by William Blake for the Inferno where he confuses a line and mixes the Minotaur with the Centaurs mentioned a few lines later), Classical depictions have feet.

**Little lord Fauntleroy**

Damn. I hope they don't start selling Gors and Ungors seperately. That would make building a unit a LOT harder

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**skrulnik**

Unless they are separate again.

**Alpharius**

As it has been explained to me...

Mortals of Chaos represent the armies from up there in the Northern Chaos Wastes, so that's why they got the big gribbly beasts like Trolls, Dragon Ogres and Giants.

The Beasts of Chaos is more of the what's hiding in the deep, dark nasty forests between pockets of civilizations and cities.

So, it looks like none of my favorite monsters will be in the new Beasts of Chaos list!

Sad, so sad...

**jullevi**

Bestigors' £25/32,50e price tag sounds awfully familiar. Goldgors, anyone?

(to me it is blindingly obvious that they are £25/10 models.)

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:Damn. I hope they don't start selling Gors and Ungors seperately. That would make building a unit a LOT harder .

It couldn't be any harder than it is at the moment. The current ratio of 3:2 gors to ungors is horrible, it should be the other way around.

**Alpharius**

You're probably right, sadly.

They may follow the more recent Stormvermin price/count model though in that they'll be $50 for 20?

I wonder if they'll have options for all 5 types though (4 gods + Undivided)?

**BrassScorpion**

I have a bunch of metal Bestigors that I bought cheap at the last US Battle Bunker "Dented Box" sale they ever had in Maryland in January 2004. When I first saw here that Bestigors were going to be plastic, I considered selling my metal ones. But since I got my metal ones for about $10 US per box and the new plastics will cost probably $33 US or more, maybe I should stick with what I've got.

Also, to me it seems that selling Ungors and Gors separately is a good thing, that way you can alter the ratio between the two to your liking rather than being stuck with the one that is forced on you in the current packaging.

**Platuan4th**

Alpharius wrote:As it has been explained to me...

Mortals of Chaos represent the armies from up there in the Northern Chaos Wastes, so that's why they got the big gribbly beasts like Trolls, Dragon Ogres and Giants.

The Beasts of Chaos is more of the what's hiding in the deep, dark nasty forests between pockets of civilizations and cities.

So, it looks like none of my favorite monsters will be in the new Beasts of Chaos list!

Sad, so sad...

Chaos Trolls exist far south of the Chaos Wastes, too. At least according to Vermintide(between Karak Ungor and Karak Kadrin in the World's Edge Mountains) and the Gotrek and Felix novels(Border Prince territories).

Pretty much anywhere Warpstone and Trolls can come into contact, Chaos Trolls exist.

**BrassScorpion**

All the info above plus a lot more is posted here.

**JD21290**

Im liking this, doombull leading a minotaur army supported by dragon ogres and a gorgan

Where do i sign?

**dumbuket**

Beasts are coming in February not March, and there will not be anything called a "gorgon". The new rare monster is called a Razorgor.

**dogma**

reds8n wrote:
Plastic Minotaurs

Good, good.

**Clang**

Plastic minotaurs will also be very useful for 40K Chaos armies - great Demon Princes