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We've had to nuke the previous one owing to some technical issues, a pox on modern technology and all its wiles, we never had these issues with steam and clockwork.

..anyway..

From the email GW sent out

Incoming! Blood Angels

This April the Blood Angels will be re-launched with an all-new Codex and range of plastic and metal miniatures. One of the oldest and noblest of all Space Marine Chapters, the Blood Angels have stood fast against the enemies of the Imperium since the Great Crusade and it was their Primarch Sanguinius, who laid down his life to aid the Emperor against Horus in the final hours of the Warmaster’s rebellion. The new Codex explores the background and history of these superhuman warriors like never before, and contains new artwork depicting some of their greatest battles and most powerful champions.

The Blood Angels have always been a powerful close combat army and have been made even deadlier thanks to a range of specialist wargear, the ability to field Assault Squads as Troops choices, and more Dreadnoughts than any other Space Marine Chapter, including a Death Company Dreadnought and the fabled Furioso Dreadnought. The Sons of Sanguinius will be deep striking onto a tabletop near you this April – now’s the time to practice painting red.
Blood Angels

and there is a small article on the GW site that tells us a little more :

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=7400003a

From these we can deduce a few things : tactical squads would appear to be a mainstay still, however they would appear, if perhaps through the use of a special character, to still be able to field assault squads as troop choices.

New models that are coming out :

Chapter Master Seth of the Flesh Tearers. He is armed with an eviscerator looking type weapon and appears to have an Iron halo.
Astorath the Grim. Elaborate armour & jump pack, big 2 handed axe with a kind of spinal columnesque feel to the haft. Or is it shaft ? SKULLS.
A new not crappy ( let's hope anyway eh ?) Lemartes. I believe he hs a jump pack too. And skulls. But you knew that right ?
Sanguinor Examplar of the Host.. jump pack, elaborate armour. Not too many skulls.

There could/should well be a at least one or more other blisters containing things like new... or perhaps old.. weapon options too.

There is also a very good possibility that the BA will get a hitherto brand new skimmer/flyer model too, which utilises the same base as the Valk. ... does the Trygon use this base as well ? I think so. It would be reasonable enough, IMO, to perhaps see this rolled out into the "vanilla" marine codex when that is next updated, akin to the Land Raider Crusader. This is, of course, speculation, much more so than the existence of the vehicle itself IMO.

Mr. Scryer in the Darkness dug up the following forthcoming item codes

Space Marines metal blister code> - £10.00 / US$17.00 / 15,00 € / Oz$28.00
<Space Marines metal blister code> - £10.00 / US$17.00 / 15,00 € / Oz$28.00
<Space Marines metal blister code> - £10.00 / US$20.00 / 17,50 € / Oz$33.00
<Space Marines metal blister code> - _£8.00 / US$15.00 / 12,50 € / Oz$22.00
<Space Marines metal blister code> - £10.00 / US$16.50 / 13,00 € / Oz$28.00
<Space Marines metal blister code> - _£5.00 / _US$9.00 / _7,80 € / Oz$17.00

Which, to my mind anyway, reads like the 4 above characters, at least 1 extra meta; squad model and, say, a bitz pack with Flesh Tearer shoulder pads in. That's speculation though however.

This is, IMO, all the really reliable information that is out there currently. There is talk about some new dreadnought and Predator kit/s, but I think these might perhaps be "Battle Missions" related rather than BA specific.

I am fairly certain that we should see some BA specific plastics too, even if only in a manner akin to the Black Templars and Dark Angels perhaps.

I'm aware that there are a fair few other claims out and about doing the rounds. I'm dubious about a lot or some of those at the very least. If people want to tack them on the thread then feel free to however. I'd like some of it to be true and hope some of it is.. but some of it... hmm... don't ring true to me. NO offence or slur on those who have posted such info, it can get quite confusing out there -- see the slew of combined DA and BA codex rumors that did the rounds for a good while.

Would people like it or find it helpful if I updated the first post with "confirmed"/good as we get news as it passes ?

EDIT : as promised then ;
UPDATE 1. 20.1.10
Feb issue of WD is starting to appear here and there, apparently it says

"...the Furioso Librarian - a psyker entombed in a Dreadnought - and the mysterious avenging angel known only as the Sanguinor."

Thanks to Mr. Lorizael from 40k Online.

reds8n wrote:Would people like it or find it helpful if I updated the first post with "confirmed"/good as we get news as it passes ?

Absolutely! For the all issues that Warseer may have, one thing I appreciate there is the practice of updating the first post in a thread as the summary of reliable/confirmed rumors.

Yes please just update the first post, maybe even lock the thread. The last one was so ridiculous I was chiming in to make fun of it...

Lock it! Lest we suffer more of those horrible vampire jokes.

BrookM wrote:Lock it! Lest we suffer more of those horrible vampire jokes.

Thirded.

The rumor/confirmation threads work best when you lock+sticky them, then update as necessary(with a note in the thread title of the date and "UPDATE!").

"Update the first post" works in a locked sub forum like on warseer, but is a pain in a normal discussion thread. Having to read the first post, and then figure out the page on which new comments appear is vexing. Much better to have new content appear with new comments.

Fourthed.

Although a separate rumor discussion (and whining) thread is likely warranted.

Jack

Death By Monkeys wrote:

reds8n wrote:Would people like it or find it helpful if I updated the first post with "confirmed"/good as we get news as it passes ?

Absolutely! For the all issues that Warseer may have, one thing I appreciate there is the practice of updating the first post in a thread as the summary of reliable/confirmed rumors.

Or close old threads redirecting to the new thread.

Did the pictures of the new Vampric Bat-Riders leak yet?

They are Fast Attack, and totally awesome! 2 wounds, S/T 5, rending with cavalry and options for storm shields and the Mark of the Carstein. (Rending again, plus replace the A characteristic with d6+1 attacks.)

I'm too dumb to get jokes

chaplaingrabthar wrote:Mark of the Carstein? They're straight lifting names from WFB Vampire Counts for the vampire Chapter? Even for GW that is uninspired.

Mate, I think that Defiler is having a bit of a dig here. Hurr to him. He's basically just ripped off the stats for the Thunder Wolf Riders.

Which I must say are an awesome idea. Just not the best models. Heck GW, give me plastic goodness!

Defiler wrote:Did the pictures of the new Vampric Bat-Riders leak yet?

They are Fast Attack, and totally awesome! 2 wounds, S/T 5, rending with cavalry and options for storm shields and the Mark of the Carstein. (Rending again, plus replace the A characteristic with d6+1 attacks.)

Not amusing at all.

In fact, the profiles had been leaked. They are walkers with AV 12/12/10, 2 DCCWs, autocannon, skorcha, and a battle cannon in the mouth of the bat.

Maybe we'll get a new piece of fanfiction from 4Chan - a spinoff of Love Will Bloom - this time featuring a brooding Blood Angel Exalted known as Captain Cullen, and the young Howling Banshee, Bel'ah, who pines after him to the point of absurdity.

And he sparkles.

So does anyone know what this flying land raider thing is going to look like, exactly?

Feb issue of WD is starting to appear here and there, apparently it says

"...the Furioso Librarian - a psyker entombed in a Dreadnought - and the mysterious avenging angel known only as the Sanguinor."

Thanks to Mr. Lorizael from 40k Online.

This move toward a heavy dreadnought environment is surprising. Personally though, I find it to be pretty creative, an interesting take on the sarcophagus/coffin idea. A neat twist in the mythos, which adds to their uniqueness.

reds8n wrote:Feb issue of WD is starting to appear here and there, apparently it says

"...the Furioso Librarian - a psyker entombed in a Dreadnought - and the mysterious avenging angel known only as the Sanguinor."

Thanks to Mr. Lorizael from 40k Online.

Cool, new Furioso all but confirmed then. :lol

Anything on the March releases?

Ouze wrote:So does anyone know what this flying land raider thing is going to look like, exactly?

The fluff for it apparently says in the past the Imperium's record keepers mistakenly thought they were Thunderhawks, they probably look similar to a thunderhawk but smaller with fewer weapons. I speculate the rumor originators comment of it being a "landraider" is because it has an assault ramp and similar weapons, twinlinked lascannons.

My guess it'll be something like this:

Oh, man. My Co-worker loves Librarians and is going to love the idea of a Librarian Dreadnought.

reds8n wrote:Feb issue of WD is starting to appear here and there, apparently it says

"...the Furioso Librarian - a psyker entombed in a Dreadnought - and the mysterious avenging angel known only as the Sanguinor."

Thanks to Mr. Lorizael from 40k Online.

*facepalm and/or pants 'splosion*

I'm waiting for the day that Codex: Chaos United comes out, and is immediately hailed as the long-awaited arrival of Codex: Defiler Kingdoms, with no less than 8 dread variants and 4 demon engines

- Salvage, who secretly suspects that the next CSM book will in fact have 0 dreads ...

Am I the only one that thinks vampire Space Marines riding giant vampire wolves is an awesome idea?

Maybe have some bat wing jump packs borrowed from the possessed models.

I'm very hesitant about all the flavors of dreadnoughts. How many dreads does each chapter have and is that enough to justify the different variants? And what is there really to gain, by having these different variants? Are we going to get Techmarine and Apothecary dreadnoughts next? The rules would end up having to get wilder and wilder to justify the units. A librarian dreadnoughts probably going to have a force weapon and a psycannon thats better than anything the grey knights have. With these types of units it will all just end up in the next Codex SM so they really should have keep variants to things that only Blood Angels and their successors would have.

Given how much was in Codex SM, Codex SW, Codex IG and is being put into Codex BA, I wonder if GW will ever add back in some of the options now lacking with Chaos. With all the new and special stuff, it really doesn't make infiltrating power armor seem that bad.

A Dread is just a big metal box. You can put anything in that box.

Boss_Salvage wrote:- Salvage, who secretly suspects that the next CSM book will in fact have 0 dreads ...

No, Boss, the next CSM book will have loads because, the next CSM book IS the BA Codex. Just as the SW is a good Counts As codex for your Khorne Berserker army, the BA Codex with be a great Counts As for both Night Lords as well as Iron Warriors!

JohnHwangDD wrote:A Dread is just a big metal box. You can put anything in that box.

Carnifex in a box!

Mind if I proxy my Winged warriors for Jumpack assault marines with Meltaguns?

Just another little tidbit from BoLS...

Force Organization Chart
Blood Angel FOC is divergant from the Ultramarine one:
-Dreadnoughts are heavy support.
-Furioso Dreads with droppods are fast attack.
-Twin scout entries are both elites, but one is scoring.
-Only dedicated ground transport is the Rhino (Razorbacks are out)
-Assault Squad and Tactical Squad are troops.
-Honour Guard can be troops if fielded with Dante.
-Jump pack units are in every FOC category except heavy support and HQ:
--Assault Squad - troops
--Honour Guard - elites
--Exalted - fast attack

Death Company is 0-1 and doesn't need a slot in the FOC

Units Rules
Tantalus Lander is a dedicated transport for everything in the army except tanks, Land Speeders and Exalted. Its weaponry is: 2 twin-linked assault cannons, 1 twin-linked special weapon.

Land Raider: Redeemer, Crusader and Standard

Terminator sergeants can get close combat wargear. There is a Terminator upgrade to allow shooting in an enemy phase.

Exalted: 4/4/4(5)/4/1/5/1+1/10/3+, jump troops, hit & run, furious charge, no red fury/combat tactics, power armor, stormbolter, power weapon, bolt pistol, no options, no transports.

Quite angelic: masterfully crafted slim armor, jump packs, mechanical wings, masks, long hair.

Named Characters
Erasmus: Furious charge, digital weapons (rending), master crafted combi melta: 18" S:8 AP:1 Assault 1, melta, reroll to hit, 4+ ward save, can chose one set of special rules:
-squad ignores red fury
-red fury and preferred enemy
-rage and feel no pain

Mephiston: 7/7/5/5/3/7/4/10/2+, FnP, Fearless, Eternal Warrior, Fleet, 2 psychic powers per turn.
More potent versions of Might of heroes, Transfixing Gaze and Blood Stasis powers:

The gun of Victor's servitor is 36" S:6 AP:6 Assault6

Psychic Powers
Quickening: Infantry moves as beasts, jump troops and walkers gain fleet.
Blood Stasis: 5" vortex of blood in base contact. Enemy models count as being in difficult terrain, and suffer one wound if they try to move and any of the distance dice shows a 1, Mephiston: can cast it in close combat centered on himself, and enemies attacking with a 1 suffer a wound.
Might of Heroes: one model in squad gets +D3 attacks, Mephiston: can cast it on himself.
Primarchs Grace: Squad may reroll dangerous terrain tests.
Transfixing Gaze: Target model must take a leadership roll off or not able to attack librarian, Mephiston: not able to attack any model.
Living Darkness: A template which blocks line of sight.

Fluff
Background: mainly Blood Angels and 4 successor chapters with one page each:
-Blood Consuls
-Angels Sanguine
-Flesh Tearers
-Angels Vermillion

George Spiggott wrote:Am I the only one that thinks vampire Space Marines riding giant vampire wolves is an awesome idea?

Apparantly so.

GG

This is sounding like a really cool Codex.

Mephiston is going to be a PIMP! I wonder if he has an invul save now?

I am excited for th enew book, it looks like it will shake things up a bit and really give the Red Marines something to make them stand apart, like Space Pups got.

More variety in MEQs is good for everyone.

JohnHwangDD wrote:A Dread is just a big metal box. You can put anything in that box.

Yes, but the marine stuck in that box is not always entirely there. They were injured or they were practically dead, and now they're wired in. Not entirely of sound mind. Dreadnought and Venerable dreadnoughts were already representative of a Commander-Chaplain-Librarian-Sergeant that has become entombed. The lack of abilities of those dreadnoughts is because an entombed commander doesn't have enough know with all to give orders, a chaplain can't curse up his storm, and a Librarian use his psyker powers... most of the time they'd only have half a mind. Are there exceptions, yes. It boils down to this shouldn't be more than a special character, not an excuse to have standardly available Dreadnoughts shooting lightning, teleport across the table, or become even more resilient due to a psionic force field.

Overall I like what I'm hearing of this book, with the above exception. Thats pretty good.