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 Storm Shadow wrote:
so in order to take scions into my IG force, will it have to be via allies?

or are they counted as elites in the IG army?

They should be under the elites choice, but you will be able to run them as their own detachment with the MT codex (from what the rumors all suggest)

To sum up :
You will be able to take up to 3+1 squads of Scions as a single elite selection very soon, using WD N.9 as an add-on to your IG V5 codex .
Most probably, the WD N.9 organisation will be inserted in V6 IG "Astra Militarum" codex (in replacement of what we currently have as stormtroopers).
Impeding stand-alone codex will be an option, where Scions will be troops.

Assuming they will be battle brothers, is there any reason that someone shouldn't just ally the two armies together and take them all as troops? What benefit is there to plugging them into your army as elites haha

Because normally units keep the same slot in the sub-codexes as it seems from Inquisition and Legion of the Damned. So they would only score if they were primary. Which would limit the amount of toys you could take from Codex: IG.

That said I'm not sure how much stuff you'd need from C:IG and the idea of scoring platoons of deepstriking specialists is genius to me.

The entry under elites in the AM codex will have option for Scion (takes up an elites choice),, and it says you will need a copy of the AT codex. Scion stats are not in AM.

But in funny enough in a $4 WD.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
The entry under elites in the AM codex will have option for Scion (takes up an elites choice),, and it says you will need a copy of the AT codex. Scion stats are not in AM.

But in funny enough in a $4 WD.

Have you got a source for this? If that actually happens it'll definitely drive me further away from 40k. £30 was already too much for a codex, when they tend to be unimaginative retreads. £60 to use IG with stormtroopers would be a joke. My personal belief is that this won't happen but I certainly wouldn't put it past GW - it'd definitely be a bridge too far for me, though. Where does it end? The next Ork codex will be released alongside Codex:Grots? etc

I don't think there's a precedent for what you're proposing though, which is why I ask if you're the source or if someone told you this or what...?

Take it with a grain of salt, but my old army buddy, who is a GW manager, who goes back and fourth to Memphis, has clued me into several things already.

The new codexes are similar to how, say a Blood Angels Codex, or Space Wolves one is. Meaning, several entries refer you to have the Space Marine Codex to use that unit.

Like the SM codex, there is a dedicated transport section. In AT, the Taurox info is there, but the Chimera & Valkyrie are also there, but reference you to use the AM codex.

The AM codex is the same, where in Elites there is a small blurb you can choose Scions, but reference the AT codex, and also the AM codex had a dedicated transport section and Taurox is mentioned as an option but "use the AT codex for this choice."

He also was the one that told me that the Valkyrie (1-3) has the Vendetta options now (and can still transport), and the Vendetta is no longer an actual seperate fast choice (by name at least)...Freeing up a fast slot...

Again, not sure if he saw, or was told, this info.

He told me the GW website change was coming, the FW/BL stuff would be in GW April 7th, he told me that finecast is phasing out the stock & replacing with FW formula, that the twitter & facebook (GW) was going, all months ago...And much more...

All months ago... Too bad you didn't say anything then.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
The new codexes are similar to how, say a Blood Angels Codex, or Space Wolves one is. Meaning, several entries refer you to have the Space Marine Codex to use that unit.

OK, cool, I'm not saying your buddy is lying or anything but the Blood Angels book at least doesn't work like that. There are lots of things that say refer to the main 40k rulebook - special rules and generic weapons like power fists - but there's nothing in there that says refer to Codex Space Marines. The generic marine units are in there, with their own profiles, you don't need to refer to Codex SM. So, I still think this idea of a codex that actually has empty profiles in it with instructions to refer to another codex is basically unprecedented and (hopefully) not going to happen. Because you shouldn't have to pay £60 to use IG with stormtroopers.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Take it with a grain of salt, but my old army buddy, who is a GW manager, who goes back and fourth to Memphis, has clued me into several things already.

The new codexes are similar to how, say a Blood Angels Codex, or Space Wolves one is. Meaning, several entries refer you to have the Space Marine Codex to use that unit.

Uhh...
Pages 40 through 48 in the Space Wolves codex say "wat?".

Like the SM codex, there is a dedicated transport section. In AT, the Taurox info is there, but the Chimera & Valkyrie are also there, but reference you to use the AM codex.

The AM codex is the same, where in Elites there is a small blurb you can choose Scions, but reference the AT codex, and also the AM codex had a dedicated transport section and Taurox is mentioned as an option but "use the AT codex for this choice."

This is very doubtful. As far as I know(I don't have the digital Inquisition book, which is where I think it might come into play), this is very very very unlikely. This is something that used to be done with the little tiny pamphlet "mini-dexes" for the Space Marine Chapters. It's partially why most of the Chapters that had the mini-dexes then got full-sized Codexes, and it caused some issues when books got updated as one army would pay X while another might pay Y for an item with the same rules, same usage, etc.

He also was the one that told me that the Valkyrie (1-3) has the Vendetta options now (and can still transport), and the Vendetta is no longer an actual seperate fast choice (by name at least)...Freeing up a fast slot...

This is believable.

 pretre wrote:
All months ago... Too bad you didn't say anything then.

Might want to check my previous posts & topics I started.


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What's the point though? Everyone knows when you post on sites like this with "My friend who works at GW saw..." The cries of heresy start. Heck, I had seen first hand (years ago) a model before release, and no one would believe me. Eh, *shrugs shoulders* people will believe what they want to...

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 pretre wrote:
All months ago... Too bad you didn't say anything then.

Might want to check my previous posts & topics I started.


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What's the point though? Everyone knows when you post on sites like this with "My friend who works at GW saw..." The cries of heresy start. Heck, I had seen first hand (years ago) a model before release, and no one would believe me. Eh, *shrugs shoulders* people will believe what they want to...

You've got one topic here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/582437.page

re: Memphis stocking FW and FW/BL merge on the site. If you have other posts that predicted things previously, send me a pm and I'll get you added to the tracker.


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 krazynadechukr wrote:
What's the point though? Everyone knows when you post on sites like this with "My friend who works at GW saw..." The cries of heresy start. Heck, I had seen first hand (years ago) a model before release, and no one would believe me. Eh, *shrugs shoulders* people will believe what they want to...

The point is that when you build up reliability, then people believe you when you say something. So provide some links and we'll get you some reliability.

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 pretre wrote:
All months ago... Too bad you didn't say anything then.

Might want to check my previous posts & topics I started.


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What's the point though? Everyone knows when you post on sites like this with "My friend who works at GW saw..." The cries of heresy start. Heck, I had seen first hand (years ago) a model before release, and no one would believe me. Eh, *shrugs shoulders* people will believe what they want to...

Can you post a link to your threads? I found this one, which talks about the Memphis bunker to stock FW and BL stuff.

Not sure if this was covered, but as many might know the GW Memphis location closed it's production side (everything is made in uk) a while back, and the huge open area is set up for forgeworld and black library stuff. GW stores received new computer and register programs this week which are being installed in March. Fw and bl will merge with GW website, and everything will be ordered through GW main site. At least we will save time and shipping costs by having it go to a local store!

Is that what we're talking about?

More like FW books then.....

 krazynadechukr wrote:
More like FW books then.....

There is a very big difference between "like the Forge World books" and "like Codex: Space Wolves and Blood Angels".

 Kanluwen wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
More like FW books then.....

There is a very big difference between "like the Forge World books" and "like Codex: Space Wolves and Blood Angels".

I think, to be fair to krazy, that his friend probably explained it well and krazy just posted it poorly.

Inn 3rd edition you had to have the Space Marines codex to use Blood Angels and Space Wolves. I believe that is what he is referencing.

I will talk to him today to clarify it better.....

Regardless, just using common sense, if GW is making 2 codexes (AT & AM), which we know they are, GW would not put all the same info from AT into AM &/or AM into AT. What would be the point of making two codexes!

From their (GWs) financial/sales sense, it would eliminate the need to even buy the AT codex if the (bigger and more complete) AM codex had the same AT info......



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General Hobbs wrote:


Inn 3rd edition you had to have the Space Marines codex to use Blood Angels and Space Wolves. I believe that is what he is referencing.

This!

Well I know how I'll be acquiring the scion rules then. Gotta love the interwebz.

Oh, btw, I had had 2 dakka profiles (I forgot the older krazynadechukr) and a Mod helped me regain the older & deleted my other (that I had posted with).... I will search for the threads I mentioned earlier.

I'm not asking for them to put anything new into the "AM" book (although, hey! that'd be nice), I just object to the idea of GW taking stormtroopers out of the IG book (call them Scions, whatever), putting them into a different book, and thus requiring me to buy 2 books to continue using the army I currently need 1 book for. This is fairly simple stuff we're talking about.

 pretre wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
More like FW books then.....

There is a very big difference between "like the Forge World books" and "like Codex: Space Wolves and Blood Angels".

I think, to be fair to krazy, that his friend probably explained it well and krazy just posted it poorly.

Pretre, always liked you man. Still do. My conversation with him was quick, and maybe I didn't articulate it here properly. Point of the story - YOU NEED BOTH AT & AM CODEXES IF YOU WANT TO USE UNITS FROM ONE OR THE OTHER CODEX TOGETHER.

We get it. AND IF THAT TURNS OUT TO BE TRUE I WILL BE PISSED OFF.

 Bull0 wrote:
I'm not asking for them to put anything new into the "AM" book (although, hey! that'd be nice), I just object to the idea of GW taking stormtroopers out of the IG book (call them Scions, whatever), putting them into a different book, and thus requiring me to buy 2 books to continue using the army I currently need 1 book for. This is fairly simple stuff we're talking about.

Agreed, 1000%. I have a DKOK force I run as reg guard with grenadiers (as elite "scions" now?), and my wallet is already hurting.... Maybe I will run them as Vets instead....

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
I'm not asking for them to put anything new into the "AM" book (although, hey! that'd be nice), I just object to the idea of GW taking stormtroopers out of the IG book (call them Scions, whatever), putting them into a different book, and thus requiring me to buy 2 books to continue using the army I currently need 1 book for. This is fairly simple stuff we're talking about.

Agreed, 1000%. I have a DKOK force I run as reg guard with grenadiers (as elite "scions" now?), and my wallet is already hurting.... Maybe I will run them as Vets instead....

Bad times =(

 krazynadechukr wrote:

Point of the story - YOU NEED BOTH AT & AM CODEXES IF YOU WANT TO USE UNITS FROM ONE OR THE OTHER CODEX TOGETHER.

We will know in around 2 weeks or so, I suppose.

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
More like FW books then.....

There is a very big difference between "like the Forge World books" and "like Codex: Space Wolves and Blood Angels".

I think, to be fair to krazy, that his friend probably explained it well and krazy just posted it poorly.

Pretre, always liked you man. Still do. My conversation with him was quick, and maybe I didn't articulate it here properly. Point of the story - YOU NEED BOTH AT & AM CODEXES IF YOU WANT TO USE UNITS FROM ONE OR THE OTHER CODEX TOGETHER.

So what you're saying is AT is a supplement, like Crimson Slaughter, Black Legion, Sentinels of Terra, Clan Raukan(?), Iyanden or Farsight Enclaves, and not a stand alone book like Inquisition or LotD?

Hardly a massive revelation.

Disagree. It's a bit of a game changer if GW start deliberately leaving units out of codexes that were in prior editions, and selling them in separate, £30 books. Those supplements are all a new twist on an existing book. If they'd taken Wraithguard out of Codex Eldar, and put them in the Iyanden supplement, for example, then it'd be the same. And I'd have gone mental about it at the time, because it seems really unfair to me.

Somewhat different if you need AT to use scions in the AM book.

 azreal13 wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
More like FW books then.....

There is a very big difference between "like the Forge World books" and "like Codex: Space Wolves and Blood Angels".

I think, to be fair to krazy, that his friend probably explained it well and krazy just posted it poorly.

Pretre, always liked you man. Still do. My conversation with him was quick, and maybe I didn't articulate it here properly. Point of the story - YOU NEED BOTH AT & AM CODEXES IF YOU WANT TO USE UNITS FROM ONE OR THE OTHER CODEX TOGETHER.

So what you're saying is AT is a supplement, like Crimson Slaughter, Black Legion, Sentinels of Terra, Clan Raukan(?), Iyanden or Farsight Enclaves, and not a stand alone book like Inquisition or LotD?

Hardly a massive revelation.

I'm not sire but I think they are saying that you need AT to use units in AM and vice-versa.