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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 15:11:40
Subject: Ramming and Tank Shock
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Nasty Nob on a Boar
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From GW Deffrolla FAQ
Ramming is just a type of Tank Shock.
I think YF covered this in the 5 page thread in N&R, but how does this change affect the game overall?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 15:38:18
Subject: Ramming and Tank Shock
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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Uriels_Flame wrote:From GW Deffrolla FAQ Ramming is just a type of Tank Shock. I think YF covered this in the 5 page thread in N&R, but how does this change affect the game overall?
This is the 11th thread on this today. We know. No-one cares. All that will happen is people will try Ramming with Raiders and Trukks now. Woop De Flipping do!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 15:39:53
Subject: Ramming and Tank Shock
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
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In fairness, they're quite likely to blow themselves up, if they do that...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 15:42:45
Subject: Ramming and Tank Shock
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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Da Boss wrote:In fairness, they're quite likely to blow themselves up, if they do that...
True, not to mention the max they can get is S6 for the Trukk and S8 for the Raider, and even then they need to be exactly 18"/24" away.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2010/02/24 15:42:56
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 15:44:11
Subject: Ramming and Tank Shock
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Wait - it was released in English!
(Blocked at work! No!!!)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 15:46:43
Subject: Ramming and Tank Shock
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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Alpharius wrote:Wait - it was released in English!
(Blocked at work! No!!!)
Yup, they added it to the end of the English one. I'll upload it here for you Alphy
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 15:56:56
Subject: Ramming and Tank Shock
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Sslimey Sslyth
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Gwar! wrote:Uriels_Flame wrote:From GW Deffrolla FAQ
Ramming is just a type of Tank Shock.
I think YF covered this in the 5 page thread in N&R, but how does this change affect the game overall?
This is the 11th thread on this today. We know. No-one cares.
All that will happen is people will try Ramming with Raiders and Trukks now. Woop De Flipping do!
Unfortunately, unless they've changed the DE FAQ, Raiders still can't Ram. They one vehicle upgrade that allowed Raiders to Tank Shock, the Torture Amp, was FAQ'd as specifically not being able to Ram.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 16:01:42
Subject: Ramming and Tank Shock
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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Hmm, dont feel like starting a new thread.
But according to the last paragraf in the FAQ, would a SM company champion be allowed to take equipment as well?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 16:06:31
Subject: Ramming and Tank Shock
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tedurur wrote:Hmm, dont feel like starting a new thread.
But according to the last paragraf in the FAQ, would a SM company champion be allowed to take equipment as well?
Er, what?
And thanks for the upload Gwar!
Nice to see GW answering a question and then throwing a bit of chaos in with the answer.
I KNEW they favored Chaos, and this just proves it!!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 16:07:41
Subject: Re:Ramming and Tank Shock
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Wow, so the deff rolla WORKS against vehicles? Im not going to complain, no matter how friggin ODD that decision is.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 16:09:05
Subject: Ramming and Tank Shock
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Thanks Gwar!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 16:12:08
Subject: Ramming and Tank Shock
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
Lost in the warp while searching for a new codex
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If the Ork mob can chose in which order one wants to upgrade it, wouldnt that be aplicable on other squads as well. Like the SM Command Squad, first you give a veteran a Storm Shield and then later you upgrade that veteran to a company champion.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 16:14:48
Subject: Ramming and Tank Shock
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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tedurur wrote:If the Ork mob can chose in which order one wants to upgrade it, wouldnt that be aplicable on other squads as well. Like the SM Command Squad, first you give a veteran a Storm Shield and then later you upgrade that veteran to a company champion.
And as I have had to say a million times, the Ork FAQ does not apply to any other army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 16:17:38
Subject: Ramming and Tank Shock
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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True, but I guess it will still give those players some leverage...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 16:26:30
Subject: Ramming and Tank Shock
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 16:29:31
Subject: Ramming and Tank Shock
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Proud Phantom Titan
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Spellbound wrote:It's horrifying, but I can't stop staring, watching Gwar!'s avatar.... it's....revolting......and......yet beautiful.....
another furry is born; slaanesh is pleased
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 16:41:38
Subject: Ramming and Tank Shock
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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This reminds me of how GW changed how the Mark of Tzeentch worked back with the Chaos Space Marine FAQ: Suddenly they could cast Warptime and Gift of Chaos twice.
I guess they needed to sell those Deff Rolla sprues...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 16:52:04
Subject: Re:Ramming and Tank Shock
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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KingCracker wrote:Wow, so the deff rolla WORKS against vehicles? Im not going to complain, no matter how friggin ODD that decision is.
It shouldnt be that much of a shock: they worked in 4th ed againt everything but a monolith or LR ( TS against vehicles was allowed as long as it had a lower AV) and you are told Ramming is a type of tank shock - something that works on ALL tank shocks really should work on rams
Most of the arguments against stemmed not from rules but from cries that it was overpowered.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 16:55:38
Subject: Re:Ramming and Tank Shock
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Proud Phantom Titan
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nosferatu1001 wrote:KingCracker wrote:Wow, so the deff rolla WORKS against vehicles? Im not going to complain, no matter how friggin ODD that decision is.
It shouldnt be that much of a shock: they worked in 4th ed againt everything but a monolith or LR ( TS against vehicles was allowed as long as it had a lower AV) and you are told Ramming is a type of tank shock - something that works on ALL tank shocks really should work on rams
Most of the arguments against stemmed not from rules but from cries that it was overpowered.
well that and when asked if raiders could ram with torcher amps (which let them tank shock) GW said no, they're two different things.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 17:03:34
Subject: Ramming and Tank Shock
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Angered Reaver Arena Champion
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Gwar! wrote:tedurur wrote:If the Ork mob can chose in which order one wants to upgrade it, wouldnt that be aplicable on other squads as well. Like the SM Command Squad, first you give a veteran a Storm Shield and then later you upgrade that veteran to a company champion.
And as I have had to say a million times, the Ork FAQ does not apply to any other army.
It does apply if it gives a ruling about how the rules work in general. If you can buy items before an upgrade, then that applies to all codices. Your argumentum ad infinitum does not actually make your opinion correct.
Sure, you can play it that way. But everyone else will take FAQ rulings and apply them in congruous situations.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 17:23:40
Subject: Ramming and Tank Shock
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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Dracos wrote:Your argumentum ad infinitum does not actually make your opinion correct.
I agree. Being correct is why I am correct.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 17:26:16
Subject: Ramming and Tank Shock
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Ragin' Ork Dreadnought
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Gwar! wrote:Dracos wrote:Your argumentum ad infinitum does not actually make your opinion correct.
I agree. Being correct is why I am correct.
Gwar is right, even if he is indulging in tautology.
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Klawz-Ramming is a subset of citrus fruit?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 17:27:05
Subject: Re:Ramming and Tank Shock
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Angered Reaver Arena Champion
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Circular Reasoning does not make you correct either.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 18:42:11
Subject: Ramming and Tank Shock
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I think it's interesting that the Torture Amps invoke the general rules about Tank Shock and Ramming, but distinguish between these two, as the rules suggest. So it seems that we can generalize this conclusion to other situations where an item of wargear is a problem case, because the FAQ refers to the general rules rather than the Codex specific rules; how the Codex specific rules fit into the general rules.
But then the new Ork FAQ also invoke the general rules about Tank Shock and Ramming, but conflate them, as the rules suggest. So it seems that we can generalize this conclusion to other situations as we can with the Torture Amp.
The problem is, if in both cases we can draw a general conclusion about the relation of Tank Shock to Ramming, why do they disagree?
I mean if the Dark Eldar FAQ says that Ramming is not Tank Shock and the Ork FAQ says that Ramming is Tank Shock, what are we to conclude?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 18:44:33
Subject: Ramming and Tank Shock
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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Nurglitch wrote:I mean if the Dark Eldar FAQ says that Ramming is not Tank Shock and the Ork FAQ says that Ramming is Tank Shock, what are we to conclude?
That GW is run by a bunch of Pillocks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 18:45:01
Subject: Ramming and Tank Shock
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That we will be cursed with fuzzy rules writing from GW...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 18:50:29
Subject: Re:Ramming and Tank Shock
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Fixture of Dakka
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I feel vindicated.
All this time arguing with people who say that despite the rulebook clearly identifying ramming as a tank shock that it wasn't....
Just wanted to say to all of you: I TOLD YOU SO!!!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 18:57:00
Subject: Ramming and Tank Shock
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Cool. When they back-pedal like they did with Counter-Attack and Furious Charge, I will enjoy being equally rude. With interest.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 19:07:06
Subject: Ramming and Tank Shock
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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Nurglitch wrote:Cool. When they back-pedal like they did with Counter-Attack and Furious Charge, I will enjoy being equally rude. With interest. 
It's funny watching people who, even when GW blatantly and clearly tells them that their rules interpretation is wrong, cling to their anti-ork propaganda positions and post about how wrong GW is and how unfair the faq answer is across multiple threads. Just let it go man, you were wrong.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/02/24 19:15:33
Subject: Ramming and Tank Shock
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Fixture of Dakka
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Nurglitch wrote:Cool. When they back-pedal like they did with Counter-Attack and Furious Charge, I will enjoy being equally rude. With interest. 
Don't hold your breath. The rules were pretty clear from the beginning; shame that it took an FAQ answer to something already clear (in my eyes) to end the discussion....and people are still whining.
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