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Ok won't name this individual, but I had to listen to him blab on during both of my games this weekend (he was at another table). I generally ignore people, but he has a special way of getting on my nerves. These are the key points that my opponent and I picked up on:

1. Space Wolves are not an assault army.
***What are they then?

2. Loyalist marine Rhinos are worthless
***Hmm I tend to disagree (plus I run at least 3)

3. The Tyranid Codex was not official in GW tournaments till March 1st
***WTF?

4. Gone to Ground is a completely worthless rule and the current Wound Allotment rules slows the game down to the point that we should go back to 4th Edition's style.

5. You can Combat Squad a unit of Marines after they leave a Rhino and there is little proof that units disembarking from Drop Pods shouldn't be able to deploy from the edges of the doors.

After listening to this for over 2 hours my head was about to explode, but I knew that he couldn't be right, RIGHT?

Some of my answers (probably not right at all):

1. They are drunken wolfherders, that is: Worthless.

2. Sure, but put them next to the CSM variant and anything will look better.

3. He is a slow.

4. Yeah, sure, but then I want to bring back the 3rd Edition Land Raider. ^^

5. A prime example of "I don't care".

Next time tell him to pipe down and hat he is ruining your concentration. I bet you more will agree on that than on his strange ideas.

1. Space Wolves do shooty extremely well. You can build them either way, but I'd hesitate to label them as an "assault" army, as that ignores the pain of maxed Long Fangs and Razorbacks.

2. If you're not using them, my Daemons and Tyranids would like to borrow your rhinos for the weekend.....

3. Once upon a time, when GW actually had official tournaments, they sometimes included a "new codex can't be used unless it's been out for 60 days before the tournament" clause. I believe the intent was to reduce the surprise value. Moot now, as there are no official GW tournaments.

4. Go to ground is an interesting tactical choice at times. Complex unit wound allocation DOES slow down the game, and leads to absurd situations where firing MORE shots can kill FEWER models, as the owner stacks wounds in one particular wound "bucket."

Space Wolves are very much an assault army, since they can get away with Long Fangs and Razorbacks making up the long-ranged firepower. Remember that the thing about assault-armies is that they can invest in firepower because they're already good at assaults.

The thing about Rhinos makes no sense. Rhinos are Rhinos. It's not like you can fit an entire squad in a Razorback, and at least they're cheap.

Gone to Ground is a great rule: it means that non-pinning weapons can be used to suppress units, and introduces a great choice to players: Go to Ground and benefit from an improved cover save, or don't Go to Ground and don't benefit.

But this dude sounds like he needs to buy a rulebook, or perhaps a Codex: Space Marines so he can familiarize himself with how Combat Squads works.

This should help you in the future.
1. Space Wolves are not an assault army.
***Originally they were designed as vortex grenade and assault cannon delivery vehicles. Now shut up and play the game.

2. Loyalist marine Rhinos are worthless
***Shut up and play the game.

3. The Tyranid Codex was not official in GW tournaments till March 1st
***Proof or you're just excess methane. now shut up and play the game.

4. Gone to Ground is a completely worthless rule and the current Wound Allotment rules slows the game down to the point that we should go back to 4th Edition's style.
***yep.

5. You can Combat Squad a unit of Marines after they leave a Rhino and there is little proof that units disembarking from Drop Pods shouldn't be able to deploy from the edges of the doors.
***show me the rules pretty boy. Until then shut up and play the game.

After listening to this for over 2 hours my head was about to explode, but I knew that he couldn't be right, RIGHT?

He sounds like one of those smug douches who thinks their word is law. Getting into an arguement with him will probably make you angrier. You should troll him.

Like rant back at him, ramp it up until you're making absolutely ridiculous claims like IG are an assault army. Once he starts arguing, shout him down with bad examples like Ogryns and Rough Riders until he walks away.

1. Space Wolves are not an assault army.
***Well...they can be a very shooty army, but they're definitely one of the most assaulty chapters next to Blood Angels.

2. Loyalist marine Rhinos are worthless
***At 35 points? Seriously? Those things are a bargain, and they get your marines close up without losing half the squad. Ok, so they can't take heavy weapons or be daemonically possessed, whoop de doo.

3. The Tyranid Codex was not official in GW tournaments till March 1st
***Wait, what?

4. Gone to Ground is a completely worthless rule and the current Wound Allotment rules slows the game down to the point that we should go back to 4th Edition's style.
***Can't really comment on 4th Edition's style of wound allotment, never played it, although I hate having to cut through 29 boyz to get the Nob to die, despite him being in the front of the line (Apparently all my shots are just curving around him to hit his peons). I have seen GTG used effectively, and it is a decent save if you just need a unit in cover to last until the next turn.

5. You can Combat Squad a unit of Marines after they leave a Rhino and there is little proof that units disembarking from Drop Pods shouldn't be able to deploy from the edges of the doors.
***Err...what? Like Frazz said, rules or I ignore you.

Ya this guy sounds like a quite annoying deuce so space wolves can really do both things depending on the list but are more on the assualty side of things.

Rhinos are awesome and can be even more awesome depending on the army they are in Space marines eh daemon hunters pretty cool, Sisters of battle Oh hell yes!

and its not like you were playing in an officially GW tournament so next time you should show up with an Imperial armor chaos renegades army and watch his head explode.

go to ground in my opinion its good to hold objectives especially thoughs god damn ig vets 2+ cover save GAAHHH!!
god damn stealth god damn camo cloaks screw you gun srg harker.

and I guess you could do this but why is he bringing this up if "loyalist rhinos are worthless."

The guy sounds like a tool.

At least you don't have the guy at my local store. He says the most slowed things anyone could ever think of.

He asks some person he just met "Do you think my parents should sell their house..." and proceeds to go into some story about how his family has a really nice house but the mortgage is too high so they can't vacation. That was just an example of the stuff he says.

I was happy when yesterday he was finally shown that Necrons actually have to move, shoot and there is a likely chance he'll take losses. Then he started complaining about how Necrons can't beat anyone because they are an 'old codex'.

Janthkin wrote:3. Once upon a time, when GW actually had official tournaments, they sometimes included a "new codex can't be used unless it's been out for 60 days before the tournament" clause. I believe the intent was to reduce the surprise value. Moot now, as there are no official GW tournaments.

Yes there are, and there still is a similar clause, too. See attached. This is from a 40k doubles tournament I was at in GW HQ in January.

EDIT: Type-o.

kaptaink wrote:I was happy when yesterday he was finally shown that Necrons actually have to move, shoot and there is a likely chance he'll take losses. Then he started complaining about how Necrons can't beat anyone because they are an 'old codex'.

He should talk to my friend who (tries) to play Necrons. He whines if he takes two casualties and fails one WBB roll next turn. He gloats if he wins, he gets mad if he loses. It gets really annoying...

Tantras wrote:

Janthkin wrote:3. Once upon a time, when GW actually had official tournaments, they sometimes included a "new codex can't be used unless it's been out for 60 days before the tournament" clause. I believe the intent was to reduce the surprise value. Moot now, as there are no official GW tournaments.

Yes there are, and there still is a similar clause, too. See attached. This is from a 40k doubles tournament I was at in GW HQ in January.

EDIT: Type-o.

Sorry - should have specified GW US. We're pretty much out of GW official tournaments over here.

Janthkin, in fairness you probably have a better deal than we do. Sure we get some great events at the place it all started, but there's only two per year (for 40k at least) and the non-official UK tournament scene doesn't seem nearly as developed as the US one. I've read some superb tournament/campaign reports here on Dakka, majoritively from the US.

Oh, I'm not complaining! Adepticon is better by far than any of the GW-run GTs I attended, including Vegas (although Vegas was good fun).

I was just trying to figure out where the "Tyranid codex isn't valid at tournaments" statement might have come from.

Well, the new Wolf dex is at its most dangerous when using Long Fangs and Rune Priests to deprive you of transports and slow you down, with GH doing bolter drive-bys and using Counter Change and the Totem to WTFpwn anyone who dares assault them. They have plenty of assault builds as well, though.

And wound allocation IS a pain in the ass. No idea how things worked in 4th, I quit when 3rd came out.

Everything else out of his mouth deserves a jab in the throat.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/248868.page

The individual in question is "Red" from this thread.

barlio wrote:Ok won't name this individual, but I had to listen to him blab on during both of my games this weekend (he was at another table). I generally ignore people, but he has a special way of getting on my nerves. These are the key points that my opponent and I picked up on:


3. The Tyranid Codex was not official in GW tournaments till March 1st
***WTF?

After listening to this for over 2 hours my head was about to explode, but I knew that he couldn't be right, RIGHT?

Well he is wrong, that would be March 14th since it was released in Mid January.

But as someone said, it's a moot point not since GW dosn't have any Official Tournies now.

I do my share of complaining but only in small amounts, mainly the chaos codex blandness and Necrons being shelved. Maybe I should increase it if I ever run into a person like this so he has actual things to complain/argue about...