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Necrons2011 over at Warseer posted this: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249667

Hello, I can't start a thread.

I have some information regarding the development of a Necron codex. I do not normally come on Warseer, but thought you would appreciate this information – hence the small number of posts. You have no reason to put faith in me – and I am not prepared to prove my validity at potential detriment to my career. I do not want to specify my exact employment with Games Workshop for this reason.

Necrons have completed the initial concept phase of their line expansion. Release schedule is currently for January 2011.

This conceptual phase has been stop-start for some time – it is a product range that has massive potential, and Games Workshop have been very uncertain of the most lucrative theme by which to capitalise on its fanbase. The development is considered a high-risk investment – a commitment problem that the team is well aware of, and is exacerbated by there being multiple such high-risk line expansions currently being pursued.



3 multi-part plastic kits have been finalised as:

- Immortals
- Spyders
- The Necromancer


Immortals are on a large (35mm) base; they are redesigned as larger, bulkier and more dynamic.

Spyders have 3 different builds

The Necromancer is the central sell of the line expansion and has been the focus of much of the early design process. It has been through several incarnations (and names), but is essentially of the same principle as the Bone Giant for the Warhammer Fantasy range. It has a mechanised skeletal torso housing a suspended crystal, and will likely have a choice between two horrific weapons.


That is all the information I can disclose. I will not post any more.

I would like to add that development staff are getting very frustrated by headquarters’ increasingly tyrannical policies – within and between departments – with regards to information restriction. It’s absurd, and unnecessary.

Wonder wat the Necromancer will look like...

Interesting stuff. It reads like a refugee posting 40k rumors in his last moments before the GW gestapo take him away. I like what he's talking about though - sounds like some cool ideas. 3 plastic kits isn't unheard of either.

How ominous sounding, both in tone of the post and actual models considered!

Apocalypse now indeed!

Oh I hope he's based on Nagash. Can't you just see that lovable grinning skull on a souped up metallic body?

A disgruntled GW employee? Or a hopeful wishlister?

More at 7:00!

Sounds pretty good, plastic immortals and tomb spyders will make them easier to collect and the necromancer just sounds ace.

"Immortals are on a large (35mm) base; they are redesigned as larger, bulkier and more dynamic. "



This comment makes me question the validity.
Either GW's creating a new base size, or the guy doesn't know his base sizes.
I don't find it likely that they'd create another base size.

Eric

Perhaps he meant the 40mm ones.

Wonder wat the Necromancer will look like...

You shouldn't be surprised if it looks a lot like the big robot in Terminator: Salvation. Afterall, GW ripped off both the 'terminator' name and the Android/Necron Warrior look from the original Terminator movie. Now shortly after the latest Terminator movie we get a Necron Giant.

I'm not complaining. I'm looking forward to this release and if the models and codex are a success I will definately start the army. It's just that sometimes watching GW use everyone else's ideas as their own and on the other hand going after small independent miniature companies and fan sites gets a little overwhelming.

Necrons eh? I'll believe it when I see them in White Dwarf and on their website. Also, why would GW put the new Immortals on a new base size? 35mm bases? If they're bulkier, great, but wouldn't they be on 40mm bases just like the newer plastic terminators are? Doesn't make sense (to me anyway) for GW to have a new base size for just one unit.

If this is true, yay. Wouldn't be the first rumor I've seen regarding 'crons, but it's probably the most detailed. I'd love to believe that it's actually true, Jan 2011 doesn't seem too too far away.

Wait, the "Necromancer" is the name of the 'cron walker-esque thing? That's a really weird name for it. I would think Necromancer would be the name of a new lord type, that uses the psyker rules or has psyker-like abilities. Obviously there can't actually be a 'cron psyker.

Edit: Crap, plastic Immortals. I guess it was coming, but the fact that they come with bigger bases probably means the model is significantly different, or maybe even comes with wargear or something.

Therion wrote:

Wonder wat the Necromancer will look like...

You shouldn't be surprised if it looks a lot like the big robot in Terminator: Salvation. Afterall, GW ripped off both the 'terminator' name and the Android/Necron Warrior look from the original Terminator movie. Now shortly after the latest Terminator movie we get a Necron Giant.

I'm not complaining. I'm looking forward to this release and if the models and codex are a success I will definitely start the army. It's just that sometimes watching GW use everyone else's ideas as their own and on the other hand going after small independent miniature companies and fan sites gets a little overwhelming.

totally agree, aside from most armies in 40k are based off of their fantasy range (and that’s based off D&D races) some of newer races lack any creativity.

Necrons - Ripped from Terminators
Tyranids - Ripped from Aliens
Tau - ripped from Star Wars "Trade Federation"

Still though, I have to say this information (if true) is a positive for Necron Players.

WAAAGH!!!BLITZROG wrote:

Therion wrote:

Wonder wat the Necromancer will look like...

You shouldn't be surprised if it looks a lot like the big robot in Terminator: Salvation. Afterall, GW ripped off both the 'terminator' name and the Android/Necron Warrior look from the original Terminator movie. Now shortly after the latest Terminator movie we get a Necron Giant.

I'm not complaining. I'm looking forward to this release and if the models and codex are a success I will definitely start the army. It's just that sometimes watching GW use everyone else's ideas as their own and on the other hand going after small independent miniature companies and fan sites gets a little overwhelming.

totally agree, aside from most armies in 40k are based off of their fantasy range (and that’s based off D&D races) some of newer races lack any creativity.

Necrons - Ripped from Terminators
Tyranids - Ripped from Aliens
Tau - ripped from Star Wars "Trade Federation"

Still though, I have to say this information (if true) is a positive for Necron Players.

Aesthetically, yeah, but not so much fluffwise. It is kind of wierd that they not only pretty much outright stole the terminator metallic skeleton look, the named one of their main special rules after a very famous line from T2, and got away with it.

D&D stole their material from Lord of the Rings, and Nids didn't look like Aliens for a long time, but who cares really.


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As for this rumor, I hope it is true! I love the crons and they are a range with huge potential because they are cheap to buy, easy to paint, easy to play, look cool and have an interesting background.

I have always wanted a Cron army and if the necromancer rumor is true that fills the gap I always wanted them to, a giant Cron robot.

WAAAGH!!!BLITZROG wrote:
Nerons - Ripped from Terminator
Tyranids - Ripped from Aliens

People often makes this assumption and yes, Alien does inform some aspect of the Tyranid design, but GW have stated in the past that dinosaurs are another influence. Not hard to wrap your head around the idea if you look closely.

Flashman wrote:

WAAAGH!!!BLITZROG wrote:
Nerons - Ripped from Terminator
Tyranids - Ripped from Aliens

People often makes this assumption and yes, Alien does inform some aspect of the Tyranid design, but GW have stated in the past that dinosaurs are another influence. Not hard to wrap your head around the idea if you look closely.

That is, at best, incredibly shaky logic. I wouldn't want to admit I stole designs either.

I mean, Blizzard can say whatever they want when they drone on about how Terran Marines are modeled after Confederate soldiers and whatnot, but we all know where they stole the design from.

Izual wrote:I would like to add that development staff are getting very frustrated by headquarters’ increasingly tyrannical policies – within and between departments – with regards to information restriction. It’s absurd, and unnecessary.

Reecius wrote:D&D stole their material from Lord of the Rings, and Nids didn't look like Aliens for a long time, but who cares really.

The first Tyranids were scary ripped Aliens with elongated heads, running around a Space Ship (Space Hulk) trying to infest the crew with Alien Genes. Nothing like the movie Alien/Aliens at all!

Kroothawk wrote:

Izual wrote:I would like to add that development staff are getting very frustrated by headquarters’ increasingly tyrannical policies – within and between departments – with regards to information restriction. It’s absurd, and unnecessary.

Reecius wrote:D&D stole their material from Lord of the Rings, and Nids didn't look like Aliens for a long time, but who cares really.

The first Tyranids were scary ripped Aliens with elongated heads, running around a Space Ship (Space Hulk) trying to infest the crew with Alien Genes. Nothing like the movie Alien/Aliens at all!

1. Genestealers didn't originally have elongated heads(and still don't).

2. Genestealers weren't originally Tyranids in RT. They were aliens from the planet Yymgarl.

3. The first Tyranids(that were actually called Tyranids, anyway) were Gaunts NOT Genestealers.

Not saying I particularly disagree with you, just that your statement isn't the best proof.

Incidentally, the best examples for your case are the 2nd ed Hormagaunts and the 3rd ed Tytrant(and the similarly designed FW Tyrants).

Yep, GW CLEARLY copied the robots from Terminator, I mean there are SO many different ways in which they could have designed their own robot skeleton...

Personally I think this will be great as I am just now getting necron models. Cant wait for new Crons.

Awesome. I just purchased a bunch of Terminator figures from Toys R Us (60% off) to use a Necron fodder in Apocalypse... t'would be cool to use them in a normal game of 40k.

So? It seems the necrons came out during a lighter time of tongue-in-cheek-iness. Notice how Orks have been getting progressively less comedic in Bad Stuff (tm) happening to them on their own account?

I didn't care so much for the revisionist fluff afterwards where suddenly everything was "the C'tan did it!", but the army was nifty all the same. I'll be interested to see how the designers can re-carve a place in the 40k universe for necrons.

Also, Tyranids have 6 limbs. The Alien xenomorph has 4. Yes, there are some similarities, but it's like saying Eldar are based on Tolkien's LotR. Sure, there's similarities. Remember, stealing one idea is plagarism. Stealing a bunch of ideas is inspiration! GW took inspiration from multiple sources.

Frankly, I think Necrons are more akin to the Tomb Kings WFB army than Terminator movie. There's not the giant tracked tanks, the flying HK's, etc.

I hope the Necron rumours are true, not just because there models look really good, but for the background. They have to have some of the best fluff in the 40k universe.

WAAAGH!!!BLITZROG wrote:totally agree, aside from most armies in 40k are based off of their fantasy range (and that’s based off D&D races) some of newer races lack any creativity.

Necrons - Ripped from Terminators
Tyranids - Ripped from Aliens
Tau - ripped from Star Wars "Trade Federation"

GW aren't the only ones lacking creativity though:


Cadian


Space Marine (they even call it power armour)


Ok, it's just coincidence...


Power Fist



Erm...

I can totally see this happening.

Necrons need a Dread / Wraithlord model equivalent, and I'm hoping it'll be plastic WFB Giant size.

Clean up the Necrons like the Tau, and it'll be all good

If the new codex gets rid of Phase Out the army can be clown themed and reimagined as space gypsies.

Ostrakon wrote:Aesthetically, yeah, but not so much fluffwise. It is kind of wierd that they not only pretty much outright stole the terminator metallic skeleton look, the named one of their main special rules after a very famous line from T2, and got away with it.

Agreed that it's not clear-cut. The army is part Terminator, part Lovecraftian horror, part straight horror, part '50s style evil robots (look at the Pariahs), and part space undead. The fluff is mostly horror/Lovecraft-oriented, but then the game play is mostly Terminator/robot-influenced (WBB being a bigger mechanic than any "scary" thing the army does on the tabletop.

Visually speaking, you mostly have sleek high-tech robots with a space undead edge. The sense of an ancient, dead race is pretty much non-existent. Oh, then throw in the Flayed Ones for some Freddy Kruger/straight horror feel and the Tomb Spyders for a Matrix vibe.

Said it before and I'll say it again...it's a conceptual mess. There's *nothing* wrong with borrowing from other sources and recombining those elements into something fresh and new. In this case, it's a bad blend. Personally I think they need to choose either the robot angle or the horror angle and de-emphasize (not eliminate, just pare back) the other one. Then build the fluff and (importantly) game play accordingly.

WAAAGH!!!BLITZROG wrote:

Therion wrote:

Wonder wat the Necromancer will look like...

You shouldn't be surprised if it looks a lot like the big robot in Terminator: Salvation. Afterall, GW ripped off both the 'terminator' name and the Android/Necron Warrior look from the original Terminator movie. Now shortly after the latest Terminator movie we get a Necron Giant.

I'm not complaining. I'm looking forward to this release and if the models and codex are a success I will definitely start the army. It's just that sometimes watching GW use everyone else's ideas as their own and on the other hand going after small independent miniature companies and fan sites gets a little overwhelming.

totally agree, aside from most armies in 40k are based off of their fantasy range (and that’s based off D&D races) some of newer races lack any creativity.

Necrons - Ripped from Terminators
Tyranids - Ripped from Aliens
Tau - ripped from Star Wars "Trade Federation"

Apparently somebody has never heard of Robotech

But yes your point stands.

So if these new models are due to release in Jan 2011 that would imply a codex coming out prior to that yes?

Necron Codex late 2010?