Raging Heroes [official] Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter - $698,548 Finish!

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**Sythica**

That's a decent comparison to make. For $75, Bombshell gave you four figures, a t-shirt and some add-ons clearly of lesser value than the main product line. At $150, RH is giving you close to 30 figures, plus add-ons.

**Azazelx**

Sythica wrote:
That's a decent comparison to make. For $75, Bombshell gave you four figures, a t-shirt and some add-ons clearly of lesser value than the main product line. At $150, RH is giving you close to 30 figures, plus add-ons.

I believe Buzzsaw was showing the difference in freebies. If you want to compare the pledge levels, it's much more difficult.

Apples to apples, please. Or as close as possible.
For $150 (+12) Bombshell gave you 16 metal character models, a t-shirt (swappable for 2 more metal character models) - so 18 metal characters, 9 mascot-sized models, 4 old sculpts in metal, a bunch of weapons and a scenic base.
For $160 (+20) RH gives you 17 metal character models (assuming $10 heroines+KS exclusive), 3 tank commanders (made of ?) and 2 pets

**Minx**

Azazelx wrote:
Sythica wrote:
That's a decent comparison to make. For $75, Bombshell gave you four figures, a t-shirt and some add-ons clearly of lesser value than the main product line. At $150, RH is giving you close to 30 figures, plus add-ons.

I believe Buzzsaw was showing the difference in freebies. If you want to compare the pledge levels, it's much more difficult.

Apples to apples, please. Or as close as possible.
For $150 (+12) Bombshell gave you 16 metal character models, a t-shirt (swappable for 2 more metal character models) - so 18 metal characters, 9 mascot-sized models, 4 old sculpts in metal, a bunch of weapons and a scenic base.
For $160 (+20) RH gives you 17 metal character models (assuming $10 heroines+KS exclusive), 3 tank commanders (made of ?) and 2 pets

$165 + shipping gets you up to 16 metal character models ($10x15 + exclusive), five (i assume metal) character freebies, a bunch of weapons/accessories and two pets. Until the end of the KS it's quite safe to assume another (possibly) metal character and another pet. Seems to be quite a good deal.

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Foxy Dynamite unlocked:

Foxy is the archetypal loner, a one-woman army, a black lioness who'll stalk her prey relentlessly for days on end.

Whether making things go 'kaboom' or surgically taking down a single target, she effortlessly delivers, then silently disappears. No backslapping or congratulations for this one. You're born alone, you die alone, and, as fas as Foxy is concerned, spending the in-between time alone as well is just another perk of the job.

**Azazelx**

Minx wrote:
Azazelx wrote:
Sythica wrote:
That's a decent comparison to make. For $75, Bombshell gave you four figures, a t-shirt and some add-ons clearly of lesser value than the main product line. At $150, RH is giving you close to 30 figures, plus add-ons.

I believe Buzzsaw was showing the difference in freebies. If you want to compare the pledge levels, it's much more difficult.

Apples to apples, please. Or as close as possible.
For $150 (+12) Bombshell gave you 16 metal character models, a t-shirt (swappable for 2 more metal character models) - so 18 metal characters, 9 mascot-sized models, 4 old sculpts in metal, a bunch of weapons and a scenic base.
For $160 (+20) RH gives you 17 metal character models (assuming $10 heroines+KS exclusive), 3 tank commanders (made of ?) and 2 pets

$165 + shipping gets you up to 16 metal character models ($10x15 + exclusive), five (i assume metal) character freebies, a bunch of weapons/accessories and two pets. Until the end of the KS it's quite safe to assume another (possibly) metal character and another pet. Seems to be quite a good deal.

Sorry - it is $165, not $160 - my bad there. So $185-187 for most of us when you count the shipping.
I also miscounted the add-ones somehow - again my bad and thank you for the correction - so 17 metal heroes, though we can't assume that the tank commanders are metal or restic at this stage as no information has been given.

The weapons/accessories aren't something thrown in as extras - they're false stretch goal "updates" to the troops boxes, which you don't get if you go all heroes. (They've already done "extra bits" with a number of their existing kits, and pre-KS was the way they had already started to go due to feedback).

At this stage, I don't think many assumptions are safe. They started talking about more freebies a week ago, but nothing has eventuated. The better time to begin adding them would have been then, to get more fence-sitters onboard earlier, who could then be potentially persuaded to upgrade their pledges.

**RiTides**

gohkm wrote:
Just got up and had a quick peek at this Connoisseur level. My stars! That's more than a little out of my reach. Shame - I'd have preferred having these in resin.

Ah, well.

"My stars", what a great expression

. Think I'm going to have to steal that!

I've been following this more lately, since the pages were more manageable than at the beginning. This is a project at the stage that I don't think I would back, given what I've experienced to date... a company has to be further along and have more models sculpted for me to feel safe enough that they'll deliver a quality product.

**Minx**

Azazelx wrote:

The weapons/accessories aren't something thrown in as extras

I stand corrected, the extra options are apparently only available for six (until now?) specific heroines; If you don't include them you won't get the extras.

Azazelx wrote:
At this stage, I don't think many assumptions are safe. They started talking about more freebies a week ago, but nothing has eventuated. The better time to begin adding them would have been then, to get more fence-sitters onboard earlier, who could then be potentially persuaded to upgrade their pledges.

Perhaps, but then again there has been a sharp increase in the number of backers over the last two days from around 25 to more than double that. And there's this:

Yes, we do have Freebies, and Free Upgrades, planned before the end... and even some very cool extra stuff, if things go crazy!

**Azazelx**

Yeah, they said that, but they've said more or less the same thing several times previously as well.

I think I'll be dropping my EB Cpt. to an EB Lt. if one opens up, otherwise just dropping out entirely. Not enough value or renders for me to stay in at the higher level.

**Mr Gutsy**

I'm also considering lowering my pledge from an EB Captain to Lieutenant, mainly because the Australian dollar has dropped considerably over the past 2 months and is worth only $0.90 per US dollar. while the difference isn't too noticeable at the lower pledge levels, when you get to the higher levels like the $345-$365 Captain (Plus the $23 ROW postage.) the difference ends up being an additional $35-$40 on top of your actual pledge.

**Kroothawk**

Just for the record: Yesterdays results: 30,522 $ (third highest, topped only by first two days), 57 new backers.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Reluctantly I had to drop out of this one,

I just needed (well wanted, but you get what I mean) to get more and more for my Cthulhu Wars pledge and the finances wouldn't cope with both,

I'll have to wait till retail for the jailbirds

**BrookM**

A new sculpt of Charlie, I like mine better though.

**prankster**

A new Freebie awaiting unlock!
Update #53 · Jul 4, 2013 · comment

The Freebies are back!
You may recall that Freebies will be included for free in all pledges LIEUTENANT BOX and above.

So here's Charlie, awaiting your pleasure...

Come out and play!

Spoiler:

Funding at $527,671 as this was posted. So not far off the unlock.

Beaten too it with the image, so hidden.

**JeffVimes**

I saw freebies, I was happy.
I saw another mascot, I was disappointed. I would like another real mini in the freebies now. The hippo was cool, but I hope they've got something else in the sleeve.

**Minx**

We are still missing one more of the freedom fighters and i guess they've got even more to surprise us.

**RiTides**

Kroothawk wrote:
Just for the record: Yesterdays results: 30,522 $ (third highest, topped only by first two days), 57 new backers.

Wow, there's a bit of a disconnect between the amount it went up by, and the number of new backers (which is rather low). Continuing the trend that those who are in on this KS, are in on it BIG... like with the Wild West Exodus campaign.

**Alyanumbers**

I love the pirate hat. Also, I hope the IE freedom fighter is unlocked soon.

**grefven**

I don't suppose anyone would be interested in splitting the all resin pledge? Preferably in Europe as I'm in Sweden.

**Buzzsaw**

Cross posting from the comments;

@Justin Christensen: Complaining about "free stuff" when the standard is no free stuff would, indeed, be odd. But the standard is not no free stuff, but the opposite.

Most very, very successful Kickstarter campaigns leverage the economies of scale along with the incredible benefits of payment up to a year in advance to sweeten the deal substantially.

Comparing the value added in this campaign to what was added in other large, successful campaigns and it's very difficult not to have this campaign come up lacking.

Compare what $150 in this campaign buys compared to the very recent Deadzone campaign; http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/deadzone-the-sci-fi-miniatures-board-game

If you want to be really upset, compare what $170* ($183 for most of us) buys compared to the $155 Survivor Pledge for Kingdom Death: Monster; http://kingdomdeath.com/ks_images/kingdomdeathv1050.jpg

That last comparison, incidentally, puts paid to the excuse that "Other KS, which may give more away, don't have the quality as RH." Quite simply and bluntly, RH is not on the same level as Kingdom Death. It just isn't. Not talking about aesthetics, just pure quality of sculpt and figures.

Finally, I must correct a misstatement I made earlier: I said that the "word is that 80% of renders will be completed". The correct statement is found in the Risks and Challenges section;
"- We made sure that our sculpting planning was realistic. This means that you'll be able to have access to a first wave of production as early as September. And we have set up and used for the past several months a sculpting workflow that allows us to create many miniatures quickly without compromising their quality. This means that 80% of the sculpting process will be done by the end of the Kickstarter. "

Note, not 80% of renders, but 80% of "the sculpting process". Given that Renders are only a part of the sculpting process, it does not seem unreasonable that all renders would be done.

Where are they?

**Minx**

Renderings are not necessarily part of the sculpting process, much less publicly displayed renderings.
Anyway, i am sure they'll show us more during the next 67 hours.

**Hulksmash**

I suppose all the remaining models are all at the exact 80% that prevents them from being shown.

While publically displayed renders may not be part of the sculpting process the point is still pretty valid.

**Fafnir**

I'm out. I'm tired of waiting and complaining about renders, and I'm not going to pretend that RH are actually going to do something about it in the last ~60 hours.

**Jimsolo**

As much as I've been a huge cheerleader for this from the jump, even I can see the point of people who are miffed at not seeing more renders/sculpts. I'm not pulling my pledge, and it doesn't really bother me too much, but the 80% statement certainly does create a set of expectations and I think that (unlike certain complaints) it's completely reasonable to expect to have seen more at this point.

Digging that bulldog, though.

**Taarnak**

Minx wrote:
Renderings are not necessarily part of the sculpting process, much less publicly displayed renderings.

Um, what? These are all digital sculpts, and the renders are created from said digital sculpts. Showing off the render takes no more effort than taking a screenshot, honestly. It takes a bit longer if they want to do a beauty shot, but not terribly much longer. No real excuse not to show them if the sculpts actually exist.

Considering that they said that 80% of the sculpting work would be done by KS end, (and that the community is in effect giving them a giant, no interest loan) asking to see them is not outside the realm of reason.

~Eric

**Minx**

Taarnak wrote:
Um, what? These are all digital sculpts, and the renders are created from said digital sculpts. Showing off the render takes no more effort than taking a screenshot, honestly. It takes a bit longer if they want to do a beauty shot, but not terribly much longer. No real excuse not to show them if the sculpts actually exist.

Creating a good rendering from a digital sculpt is akin to taking a good photograph. It takes time, especially if you don't want the customers to rage about a perceived flaw in said rendering that's just there due to a sloppy screenshot and not due to the sculpting itself.

Taarnak 530736 5811908 wrote:Considering that they said that 80% of the sculpting work would be done by KS end, (and that the community is in effect giving them a giant, no interest loan) asking to see them is not outside the realm of reason.

Asking nicely is one thing, pretending or implying that RH somehow hides them from us is outright bizarre and still encountered way too often in this very thread. I too would like to see more renderings and i am sure we'll see more. But i don't think it'll help to constantly nag about it, especially in an accusing manner.

Edit: As we know there have been some RL issues as well as an unforeseen increased KS campaign work load just to (insufficiently) appease a vocal minority. I guess all that has had a negative impact on their lofty goal to finish the sculpting of most miniatures. So, let's see how much they accomplish until Saturday evening and then decide. Although judging from past products there really is no need to worry. Their miniatures have always been very satisfactory both in quality and design.

**prankster**

Minx wrote:
Taarnak 530736 5811908 wrote:Considering that they said that 80% of the sculpting work would be done by KS end, (and that the community is in effect giving them a giant, no interest loan) asking to see them is not outside the realm of reason.

Asking nicely is one thing, pretending or implying that RH somehow hides them from us is outright bizarre and still encountered way too often in this very thread. I too would like to see more renderings and i am sure we'll see more. But i don't think it'll help to constantly nag about it, especially in an accusing manner.

The problem is though, we're running out of time and there's still lots for RH to actually do in that time.

Paid Unlocks

There's still 8 unlocks, six bikes, a mecha and a heroine, to have everything unlocked. This is still within their 1-3 a day range, but pushes it to the last 24 hours.

Freebie unlocks

One of which was posted earlier and as a minimum we can probably expect at least one more (final freedom fighter)

Renders / prints to reveal.

Even if we take the 80% done to mean the 16 options available at launch, we're still to see quite a few renders. ~13 out of the 16 options should, in theory, be available to show off. Given that 6 of these were troop / command boxes and another 3 were artillery that's still a lot of figures. Whilst we have seen a small number of renders, and prints, not all of those are what could be grouped under the 'first wave' heading based on the original target. This suggests that they're potentially aiming to get 80% of everything done, excluding maybe freebies.

Updates / Communication

This is one thing that they need to be on top of for the last couple of days. I've been critical of their communication for much of the KS, as have others at times. They simply need to step their game up and be involved. Yes, not everything posted is going to be positive or something they can answer, but a presence is needed rather popping in to post an update and maybe answering a couple of questions that they spot before going away again.

**BrookM**

Their latest update is hilarious, when you look at what they still want to get unlocked.

**Buzzsaw**

A rather interesting update, sorta, I guess...

Road Map for the end of the KS + unlock of the Kurganovas' Mecha
Update #54 · Jul 4, 2013 · comment

As we are nearing the end of the Kickstarter, we'd like to share with you what we've planned for its last remaining days.

First of all, we want you to know that, thanks to you, this Kickstarter has already been far more successful than we anticipated! You made the Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter one of the most successful miniature-only Kickstarter ever. (In fact, we haven't had the time to check, but we just might be the second largest one behind the famous Reaper Kickstarter… )

And while you may not have noticed, in the presentation video of the Kickstarter, we talk about a total of around 25 heroines. In the end, we will probably double that! That's because during this Kickstarter, we continued designing new minis like mad to bring you even more choices.
For us, this is what this Kickstarter is about: allowing us to bring you in one fell swoop an ever larger range of quality miniatures to choose from.

With this in mind, the road map below is what we know that we, as a boutique manufacturer, can manage and deliver at the same level of quality you expect from Raging Heroes.
We created the uber-stretch goals described below off previously undisclosed projects based on your comments and things we read from you on various forums, Facebook, etc.

We hope you like them

Note: You'll have noticed that there are still a few minis that have not yet been unlocked yet. This will be happening over the next 24 hours.

$530,000 Freebie: Charlie

$535,000 Free upgrade

$540,000 Freebie: Freedom Fighter Iron Empire

$545,000 Free upgrade

$555,000 Uber-stretchgoal: Jet Girls - unit of 5

$560,000 Free upgrade

$565,000 Freebie: Jailbird Spotter

$570,000 Free upgrade

$580,000 Uber-stretchgoal: Kurganovas Trike

$585,000 Free upgrade

$590,000 Freebie: Cyberzombie

$595,000 Free upgrade

$605,000 Uber-stretchgoal: Jailbird's Trike

$610,000 Free Upgrade

$615,000 Freebie: Kurganova nurse

$620,000 Free Upgrade

$630,000 Uber-stretchgoal: Iron Empire Trike

$635,000 Free Upgrade

$640,000 Freebie: 1 new Lulu

$645,000 Free Upgrade

$665,000 Uber-stretchgoal: 3 Kurganova Werewolves

$670,000 Free Upgrade

$675,000 Freebie: Kurganova Radio Technician

$680,000 Free Upgrade

$700,000 Unit of Cyberzombies

$705,000 Free Upgrade

$710,000 Freebie: Iron Empire Officer

$715,000 Free Upgrade

$720,000 Freebie Hacker Upgrade

PS/ The Free Upgrades are listed as place holders, as we have are still compiling the final list. This means that all Free upgrades will be unlocked before getting to the end of the road map.

PPS/ Also, Freebies will become purchasable as add-ons. More on this in an upcoming update.
The KST Mecha

Here is the last Mecha of this Kickstarter.
For the Kurganovas' Mecha, we decided to stay with a more regular walker style.

We felt that it better matched the technical swiftness of the Kurganovas' machinery. We also wanted to include an art deco/diesel punk vibe which is one of the visual theme we'll continue to explore for this army.

Fiiiiiinally, a mech that actually looks like it might have some function.

**prankster**

Well, $720k is very close to what we were aiming for before we switched to auto-unlocks. Now all we need is for the rush to come through in the last couple of days and we can blast through those.

Kind of amuses me that it was posted just as I was talking about their communication during the KS (see a few posts up)

**Buzzsaw**

prankster wrote:
Minx wrote:
Taarnak 530736 5811908 wrote:Considering that they said that 80% of the sculpting work would be done by KS end, (and that the community is in effect giving them a giant, no interest loan) asking to see them is not outside the realm of reason.

Asking nicely is one thing, pretending or implying that RH somehow hides them from us is outright bizarre and still encountered way too often in this very thread. I too would like to see more renderings and i am sure we'll see more. But i don't think it'll help to constantly nag about it, especially in an accusing manner.

The problem is though, we're running out of time and there's still lots for RH to actually do in that time.

Paid Unlocks
There's still 8 unlocks, six bikes, a mecha and a heroine, to have everything unlocked. This is still within their 1-3 a day range, but pushes it to the last 24 hours.

Freebie unlocks
One of which was posted earlier and as a minimum we can probably expect at least one more (final freedom fighter)

Renders / prints to reveal.
Even if we take the 80% done to mean the 16 options available at launch, we're still to see quite a few renders. ~13 out of the 16 options should, in theory, be available to show off. Given that 6 of these were troop / command boxes and another 3 were artillery that's still a lot of figures. Whilst we have seen a small number of renders, and prints, not all of those are what could be grouped under the 'first wave' heading based on the original target. This suggests that they're potentially aiming to get 80% of everything done, excluding maybe freebies.

Updates / Communication
This is one thing that they need to be on top of for the last couple of days. I've been critical of their communication for much of the KS, as have others at times. They simply need to step their game up and be involved. Yes, not everything posted is going to be positive or something they can answer, but a presence is needed rather popping in to post an update and maybe answering a couple of questions that they spot before going away again.

To add to this list, one thing that has been promised (or so I am under the impression) but not yet provided is the grouping for shipping: people who only wanted to confine themselves to a single wave of shipping asked to know what was in which wave.

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prankster wrote:
Well, $720k is very close to what we were aiming for before we switched to auto-unlocks. Now all we need is for the rush to come through in the last couple of days and we can blast through those.

Kind of amuses me that it was posted just as I was talking about their communication during the KS (see a few posts up)

An amusing co-incidence, but it does not materially alter the fact that they can be remarkably unresponsive in terms of communications.

In this, if nothing else, Mantic is head and shoulders above RH (Mantic has fantastic customer service).

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One thing;

First of all, we want you to know that, thanks to you, this Kickstarter has already been far more successful than we anticipated! You made the Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter one of the most successful miniature-only Kickstarter ever. (In fact, we haven't had the time to check, but we just might be the second largest one behind the famous Reaper Kickstarter… )

That's... an interesting way of looking at things.

**Alyanumbers**

If they had posted this update two weeks ago, or even last week, I believe they'd be past 700k by now.