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Great stuff, gents !!

I'll be ordering lots of those round celtic shields !!

I'd love to see you develop tank armor panels with the Celtic motif.

Hey Dan, let them worry about that. We don't need another wannabe lawyer chiming in- it seems to creep into these announcements too much. ;-) FWIW they have talked to legal counsel and I don't think alot of GW's IP interpretations hold much water anyway (and I actually am a lawyer, though admittedly not an trademark/patent/IP specialist).

Dan22 wrote:Your doing all this without GW's permission? Theres pages of legal stuff on the GW website saying that you can't produce modification kits for their ranges without their approval. How did you manage to get around this?

It PAINS me everytime I see someone refer to GWs Legal Page. That page is the same as myself going out and saying anything I write on a webpage is Legal and law. That page is a joke, and is GWs attempt to control the market with words, not law.

GW is not a judge, advocate of country that can make law. They have brainwashed so many people into thinking that anything they say is legal law. It is not. I can make ANYTHING I want that isnt a direct copy of a GW Image or model and sell it. How can GW say I cant make a completely new door that fits in a HOLE on their model?

To make it even funnier, Bolter and Chainsword, obviously payed for by GW (yes I think GW pays the owner, how else could they use IP like Bolter and Chainsword in thier title and run the site with no advertising income) pretty much banned my sculptor for showing, not selling, our products in developement. They did not email him or even warn him. Just banned. There was no offer to sell, just a Work in Progress thread to get critiques and show off his skills.

Kids, learn to think for yourself and not let the corporate entities tell you what to think.

Nick

Thats amusing if a little worrying, but GW always made threads dissapear if they weren't made by complete fanboys who thought everything they said was law and couldn't think for themselves.

If I played the chapters you do stuff for I'd be buying those extras from chapterhouse as it is I'm tempted by salamanders now but holding back in case more blood ravens stuff gets done. That and I have a fanatasy army still waiting to get painted after the eldar I'm wading through

Anyone notice that Dan's username is "Dan22" aka incredibly generic, and that is his only post? Can someone say GW spy? I'm not even kidding.

im sure a 'GW spy' would be a little more zealous in his lawyerific ramblings than that, but what ever...

the new land raider stuff looks great...
if i ever get another land raider for the sallies ill definitely get one of those kits when they are out...

So some random dude decides to join just to put that little bit up? Just seems fishy as heck. There are other suspects too. Hmm. Detective Cannerus is on the case...

LOL

Krusty,

You could always buy the kit and just glue on the new bits That is what I plan on doing with my prize-winning Salie-Raider.

stuff looks great, any expected date when the LR kit will be available? and cost?

some one a while back posted saying they wanted you to do a lizard helmet but im sure on one of chapter houses threads a scaly lizard helmet

Chapterhouse wrote:To make it even funnier, Bolter and Chainsword, obviously payed for by GW (yes I think GW pays the owner, how else could they use IP like Bolter and Chainsword in thier title and run the site with no advertising income) pretty much banned my sculptor for showing, not selling, our products in developement. They did not email him or even warn him. Just banned. There was no offer to sell, just a Work in Progress thread to get critiques and show off his skills.

I'm not sure if it's required to postulate that far, certain fansites are excessively terrified of GW and will do whatever it takes to avert their imagined wrath. 40k Online and B&C have always been poster children for this.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:To make it even funnier, Bolter and Chainsword, obviously payed for by GW (yes I think GW pays the owner, how else could they use IP like Bolter and Chainsword in thier title and run the site with no advertising income) pretty much banned my sculptor for showing, not selling, our products in developement. They did not email him or even warn him. Just banned. There was no offer to sell, just a Work in Progress thread to get critiques and show off his skills.

I'm not sure if it's required to postulate that far, certain fansites are excessively terrified of GW and will do whatever it takes to avert their imagined wrath. 40k Online and B&C have always been poster children for this.

At the same time they are allowed to use GW images and IP originated art, seems a double standard, or that they have direct links to Games Workshop (Im more inclined to believe that.)

For your continuing pleasure, some Iron Snake Rhino WiP photos.

Ok. I am pleading you. No, more like begging you. Please make iron hand shoulder pads. I would pay out da wazzoo for some. We are so under appreciated!
-sobs-
I love your work though. The salamander stuff makes me want to play as them! You make a brother proud!
-Hehe, spess muhreens joke-

I like the Celtic wolf theme, it gives a nice point of difference over the GW Nordic wolf theme, but not so different that mixing and matching is impossible.

A couple of posters have suggested dragon/lizard marine helmets - I think that's well worth looking into, GW have proved 'animal head' helmets can look cool with their wolf helmet head on the new SW sprue. The important thing is that they need to look like stylised helmets, _not_ just a straight animal head

Well the issue with Iron Hands is that GW already made pads with the icon on them, and we cant copy the icon. So we would need to create our own that would be accepted by Iron Hands players, otherwise it would be a waste of time and money?

But what would we do that is similiar but not the same?

I think we will do Lizard helmets at some time, but we are busy with a ton of projects at the moment.

To make it even funnier, Bolter and Chainsword, obviously payed for by GW (yes I think GW pays the owner, how else could they use IP like Bolter and Chainsword in thier title and run the site with no advertising income)
Nick

I can tell you that GW does not own, nor does it pay for anything to do with the Bolter and Chainsword. And neither Bolter, or Chainsword, are trademarked by GW.

That Iron Snake front would also be fun for Alpha Legion Players, I'd think. As for Iron Hand Players, I'd think that having cog or tech doors would appeal to both them and also Iron Warriors players.

Games Workshop does not sell any Iron Hands shoulder Pads that I know of. If they do, please send me a link. I have been looking for some time now. I think you might be confusing the Iron Hands with the Iron warriors, ChapterHouse. But, I would be very interested in some Cog shoulder pads, doors or even decals. Adeptus Mechanicus Pads and doors would be very nice as well. I do understand that you are busy at the moment. But if you ever get around to any of these things, please let me know! I would be more than willing to buy.

I'm really liking the celtic work. In fact, I like it so much I'm having to fight the urge to run out and grab the new SW codex just so I can theme an army around it.

The infinity/snake I'm mixed on. Looks great overall, but the head sticks out a bit far for my tastes. Love the doors and hatches though.

For Iron Hands, maybe something with a bit more steampunk or dieselpunk influence.

GW did cast a Iron Hands shoulder pads set a while back. The point is we cant copy a GW Icon detail for detail from an existing model.

On the BnC deal, GW may not run BnC, but the owner of that forum has some definite ties with GW, so much in fact that rather then let me know what rules Im breaking or even PM me (according to his posted rules, I wasnt breaking any), he just banned my account with no warning.

Off topic in any case.

General Fuzzum wrote:Games Workshop does not sell any Iron Hands shoulder Pads that I know of. If they do, please send me a link. I have been looking for some time now.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1150124&prodId=prod1140236

Dan22 wrote:Your doing all this without GW's permission? Theres pages of legal stuff on the GW website saying that you can't produce modification kits for their ranges without their approval. How did you manage to get around this?

Why does this ALWAYS come up...

/headdesk

just out of interest what ever happened to the armored predator front panels you guys were working on a while back?

Wouldn't the GW icon thing have some leeway? Example an omega symbol, winged daggers/swords, bird with a blood drop

That alternate front plate looks great!

Rico wrote:

Dan22 wrote:Your doing all this without GW's permission? Theres pages of legal stuff on the GW website saying that you can't produce modification kits for their ranges without their approval. How did you manage to get around this?

Why does this ALWAYS come up...

/headdesk

Because too many people are lemmings and do not think for themselves, they let big corporations do that for them :(.

Sorry that was a bit harsh, but many people take GWs "Legal Page" as real law and do not realize that it is GW's Policy, not any countries Laws they have posted on that webpage.

Sgt.Roadkill wrote:just out of interest what ever happened to the armored predator front panels you guys were working on a while back?

It is done, but since we are a small company and are investing $5-600 in molds this week, I need to space out the expenses. If more people buy, i can make more products available I am investing a lot of time into seeing if it is feasable for a company our size to have manufacturing done in china.

Vermillion wrote:Wouldn't the GW icon thing have some leeway? Example an omega symbol, winged daggers/swords, bird with a blood drop

Yes, but we have to walk a fine line there. It is hard to predict what people will buy when it comes to existing chapters, how close to the original Iron Hands icon do we have to stay to make some money off it?

well unfortuanetly only doing 2 marine armies and one of them is renegade so can';t invest more. the new snaky frontplate would be great for my marine army but thats about it.

i will have to hold out for the pred front plate then, i have a pre heresy predator which could benefit for a decent front place replacement which isn't bodged together out of the end of a land raider engine.

Chapterhouse wrote:Because too many people are lemmings and do not think for themselves, they let big corporations do that for them :(.

Sorry that was a bit harsh, but many people take GWs "Legal Page" as real law and do not realize that it is GW's Policy, not any countries Laws they have posted on that webpage.

For what it's worth, not everyone gets their information on this solely from GW's legal page. We've had several resident IP lawyers around here over the years, as have other forums... and while they don't tend to give out actual legal counsel, they tend to be listened to when they chime in with their opinion.

Not trying to stir anything up, just offering an alternate viewpoint... although it's possibly worth mentioning that insulting potential customers generally isn't considered a smart business tactic. You might find that some people don't like being referred to as lemmings just because they believe what they've read on a given subject.

I'm just hoping for some Iron Knight iconography... but despite the 'generic-ness' of their Chapter symbol they are still quite an obscure Chapter, so I doubt that'll happen.

insaniak wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:Because too many people are lemmings and do not think for themselves, they let big corporations do that for them :(.

Sorry that was a bit harsh, but many people take GWs "Legal Page" as real law and do not realize that it is GW's Policy, not any countries Laws they have posted on that webpage.

For what it's worth, not everyone gets their information on this solely from GW's legal page. We've had several resident IP lawyers around here over the years, as have other forums... and while they don't tend to give out actual legal counsel, they tend to be listened to when they chime in with their opinion.

Not trying to stir anything up, just offering an alternate viewpoint... although it's possibly worth mentioning that insulting potential customers generally isn't considered a smart business tactic. You might find that some people don't like being referred to as lemmings just because they believe what they've read on a given subject.

I am in total agreement with you, but too many times you have people chime in with no legal experience and they try to force the GW IP page down your throat as legal gospel.

Take the lemming remark as you will, if it insulted anyone, I apologize.