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AresX8 wrote:I think it'd be a substantial improvement if and only if WOTC managed the business end. So yes, this means that they don't touch the manufacturing process of the minis, nor do they fire any of the creative staff. Can you imagine if GW reversed the embargo, dropped the prices, hired people to tighten up the rules and playtest, and actually communicated with their consumer base?

I personally agree with this. A change in direction is what GW needs IMO and I reckon WoTC could pull it off.

With WoTC in overseeing things, we’d probably see the return of WD rules and supplement books (not done since third edition). I think overall sales direction and release pattern would change to cover a broader spectrum given how D&D is designed and marketed (rather than the current 14 year old Space Marine sales direction GW is pimping). I could also see a rules adjustment/overhaul taking place as well although I’m not sure how it would be handled given the unique circumstances.

billion or whatever down to 11 ok) Only if they handle business parts. Design, minis, manufacturing, fluff(if they chose to turn the grimdark from 5, paints, and models are GW owned. WoTC designers team up with GW designers when it comes to rules.

Do that and i won't be adverse to the notion.

wilycoyote wrote:Yes you might get tighter tournaments (but those players are the minority)

You say that like it's a fact, but do you have any evidence to back it up? Because no one I've seen that's made a claim like this has been able to prove that tournament players are the minority, it's always anecdotal evidence at best ("Well in MY group/area..."), which is worthless.

Even if it were true, what's your point? Better rules and support are good for ALL players, not just competitive ones. Having a more competitive ruleset does not make casual play impossible or "un-fun" like most people seem to suggest. All it would do is bring more players to the game.

Magic probably has a much larger "casual" fanbase than it does a competitive one, too, but Wizards wants everyone's money and tries to cater to both, instead of trying to turn one group against another and losing out no matter who "wins".

AresX8 wrote:I think it'd be a substantial improvement if and only if WOTC managed the business end. So yes, this means that they don't touch the manufacturing process of the minis, nor do they fire any of the creative staff. Can you imagine if GW reversed the embargo, dropped the prices, hired people to tighten up the rules and playtest, and actually communicated with their consumer base?

Yeah, definitely the best-case scenario there. But for some reason I can't shake that feeling that 40k models would come out in pre-painted plastic, and sold in sets that would rotate out every year, like was mentioned. As much as I hate GW at the moment I don't trust Wizards to get it all right, either.

I wish I didn't have to choose between good models (well, most of the time...*cough*...) and gakky rules, or vice versa.

Also, D&D 4th got off to a bad start, but they did try to fix things at least. I think the problem is just that they pissed people off too much with the initial release (and people had good reasons to be pissed), and now everyone's opinion of it (and probably Wizards as a whole) has been permanently tainted. Personally though I still don't like what they did to the alignment system, and the "powers" thing is kinda goofy and makes me think more of Digimon than anything (where each monster has names for their attacks and yells them out each time, lol), but I don't hate 4th edition and I've actually really been wanting to play it lately, even started collecting some of the books when used copies showed up at the local store. I just don't have anyone to play with and I'd rather not get into an online group if I can help it (I like rolling real dice too much I guess).

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Mastiff wrote:After what they did to Battletech? No, I would not like to see WotC take over. They have differebt ideas on wargaming. Glad it works for them, but keep them away from my 40k, thanks.

When did WotC get ahold of Battletech?

They didn't. I suspect that someone's a little confused between WotC and Wizkids.

Yep. I thought the two were related. Thanks for clarifying.

That'll teach me to post sober.

WotC sucks. I'd never switch to updates from them. They destroyed M:tG for me, and I'd hate to have them wreck warhammer for me too. I also think all of their pre-painted minis were horrible. I haven't liked a single one yet.

-all of this is my opinion, not fact: don't wanna get blasted by WotC lovers

GW being bought out by WotC would destroy their customer service.

Seriously, Hasbro's CS is horrendous.

When I posted this, I was really thinking about how WoTC would affect GW's policy on new releases. Magic players know may weeks in advance what sets are going to be released when. Clsoe to the release date, WoTC allow controlled amounts of information to be released.Spoilers are officially released to sites and magazines. Rather than bluntling anticipation, it fuels it. Something loke this would, IMO, invigorate what is a frustrating time for players. Why is is so bad that we know what the new codex to be released is? Why is it so bad we know WHEN i's going to be released? WoTC do this well, and GW could too.

I'd rather take the evil we have over an incomprehensibly more horrible evil. I just saw in my mind half of the races in 40k getting marginalized into only existing in board games, model quality taking a sharp decline, and 40k rules getting even more simplified than they already are.

daedalus wrote:I'd rather take the evil we have over an incomprehensibly more horrible evil. I just saw in my mind half of the races in 40k getting marginalized into only existing in board games, model quality taking a sharp decline, and 40k rules getting even more simplified than they already are.

I don't see a problem with that necessarily: There's too many marines as it is, and less complicated rules isn't a bad thing.

Well, first off, you assume the Marines are the half they marginalize....

Also, I think the rules are simple enough as is. Far too ambiguous, but certainly simple.

If you guys think GW has evil legal people sending out horrible C&D everywhere, HASBRO's law team is equally as evil and 10 times better at it.

Hasbro is devastating when crushing people who tread near their IP or copyrights in countries who respect international trade. They have basically murdered everyone who is not based out of china. They are slightly better about allowing 3rd parties to license things, but they are much more on top of knockoffs and 3rd parties whoa re within their reach.

nkelsch wrote:If you guys think GW has evil legal people sending out horrible C&D everywhere, HASBRO's law team is equally as evil and 10 times better at it.

Hasbro is devastating when crushing people who tread near their IP or copyrights in countries who respect international trade. They have basically murdered everyone who is not based out of china. They are slightly better about allowing 3rd parties to license things, but they are much more on top of knockoffs and 3rd parties whoa re within their reach.

Fansproject and Maketoy are both based in Japan, not China, and Hastak hasn't made a single move against either of them.

Renderform is based in America and they haven't been touched or even contacted, either.

IIRC, Mastermind Creations is based in Canada.

All of them trade in items based on Hastak IP and none of them are licensed.

They also allow employees of and products from these companies at Botcon. Very telling if the Official Convention(that Hasbro very much has their hands in) is allowing it.

Son_Of _Deddog wrote:by Wizards of the Coast??

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

No.

Son_Of _Deddog wrote:Would GW be improved if they were taken over by Wizards of the Coast Hasbro??

No. And however much our community may whine about Games Workshop's products and policies, it's nothing compared with the grief provoked by 4th Edition Dungeons & Dragons.

It's almost as laughable as the suggestion that GW's fiction would be improved if it were more like Star Wars'.

Son_Of _Deddog wrote:When I posted this, I was really thinking about how WoTC would affect GW's policy on new releases. Magic players know may weeks in advance what sets are going to be released when. Clsoe to the release date, WoTC allow controlled amounts of information to be released.Spoilers are officially released to sites and magazines. Rather than bluntling anticipation, it fuels it. Something loke this would, IMO, invigorate what is a frustrating time for players. Why is is so bad that we know what the new codex to be released is? Why is it so bad we know WHEN i's going to be released? WoTC do this well, and GW could too.

WOTC do this well for THEIR flavour of the month product.

Some of the Star Wars minis previews didn't come out until AFTER the product was released!

WOTC are a joke. Just not a very funny one.

As a previous poster said, I'd rather take the evil we have than the other horrible evil. I'd also like to add that yeah, GW stores seem petty, but for me personally, I have no other FLGS to go to. And I think as a company, GW is going in a much better direction than WotC. And at my local book store, the 40k role-playing games are there more often than the DnD core rulebooks, along with the Black Library novels.

A better title to this topic might be: "Would GW be improved if it was taken over by the same company that makes Hungry, Hungry Hippo?" (Shudder) I hope not.

I don't think so at all!!

JudgeShamgar wrote:A better title to this topic might be: "Would GW be improved if it was taken over by the same company that makes Hungry, Hungry Hippo?" (Shudder) I hope not.

I'm sorry, but if you're too much of a nerd-elitist to want to play a special edition of Hungry, Hungry, Squiggoth then you just hate fun.

JudgeShamgar wrote:A better title to this topic might be: "Would GW be improved if it was taken over by the same company that makes Hungry, Hungry Hippo?" (Shudder) I hope not.

For my dollar Hungry Hungry Hippos is way more fun then any game GW makes...and a tighter ruleset too!

...don't even get me started on Operation.

Yeah, that would be a good idea. Sell a successful system like Warhammer to the people who ruined Dungeons & Dragons...

Hi all.
GW plc would be improved if they were taken over by managment that focused on GAMEPLAY rather than '...selling toy soldiers to children...'

You know, publish books that are properly edited and proof read, providing clearly defined game play that can be enjoyed by a wide range of people

Just like all the sucessful companies in the table top minature game hobby do...

Lanrak wrote: You know, publish books that are properly edited and proof read, providing clearly defined game play that can be enjoyed by a wide range of people

Just like all the sucessful companies in the table top minature game hobby do...

So the guy at the top of the heap isn't counted as one of the successful ones?