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I'd love to see Sanctum Reach expanded into an actual campaign instead of a backdrop for the current releases. But that said, more box sets similar to Stormclaw I think would be well received especially for new players.

Another thing people don't seem to realize. Is that while they've been shoveling HEAPS of 40k material out there, they've actually been pretty slow at releasing for Fantasy while this has been going on. So once this is done, they could give WHFB the same treatment with a new rules edition.

Solis Luna Astrum wrote:

Poly Ranger wrote:
They've shot themselves in the foot releasing Imperial Knights, AM, MT, Orks, SWs, and GKs codicies so close together. 6 in about 4 months. If they had taken their time they could have made IKs and MTs into actual armies (because lets face it - they aren't atm) and padded put GKs somewhat.

You're right, and you're wrong. IK and MT are most certainly not complete armies, yet GW released them so you could play them as such if you wanted to. I think the real intent is to divide the IoM up into as many pieces as possible and let the player pick what pieces he wants to use. What Games Workshop has done makes sense if looked at in this fashion. Codex Space Marines, Space Wolves, Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Grey Knights, Imperial Guard, Sisters, Storm Troopers, Imperial Knights, Inquisition and Assassins are all one army, the Imperiam of Man. What you then do is pick what pieces of this army you want to build into your army.

Totally agree the IoM is indeed really one army of many different factions. They could have still been patient and released more for IK and MT. Maybe take some cybernetica units from 30k for IK and add in things such as drop pods, spec weapons teams, airstrike controllers, drones, exo-suits etc for MT.


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 Tyran wrote:

Poly Ranger wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
Actually bothering to hear their gaming community and balancing the game would be a good move.

This would definitely be the best move! Not going to happen mind, since they litrally said so themselves (wellthe CEO did anyhow)

Wasn't it the same CEO that resigned a month ago?

Thought he was stepping down in january?

Poly Ranger wrote:


Whereas if they had left it 2 1/2 months or so between releases (alternate a fantasy release with a 40k release), people would have had time to start collecting a small force or even just a few units from each dex. And then numerous players interst would have been split between various armies. As it is, im probably going to buy 1 or 2 new units max + dex for each my current armies. Then sit back with what I have. If they'd been just a little more patient in the short run they would have got a whole 3000+ guard or ork army out of me in the long run. Whilst this doesn't apply to all players it will definitely apply to enough to make a difference on revenue.

Poly,
Because it doesn't matter to GW how you buy the product, only that you do, and I'm not saying that as a bad thing, GW is in the business to make money. If they are smart they cater to all customers. Customers like you who get excited about new things and buy a small amount of each new offering, and customers like me, who only buy things that fit the army or armies they play. If customer A buys a new codex and 3,000 points of Orks GW is happy. If customer B buys three codexies and 500 points of three different armies GW is happy. If anything customer B (you) is better for GW because you provide a steady stream of income wile customer A (me) may spend a lot at first, they get much less later. Still, to be successful both types of customers are needed.

Maybe when they catch up re-releasing all of the old codexes, they could take a few minutes to update the FAQ's. For me, releasing unbalanced, bad or confusing rules is not the greatest sin of GW. It is a refusal to fix or clarify those rules. FAQ's take so little time. The fact that GW can't be bothered to do them is a customer relations failure that is absolutely insane. Good quality FAQ's that actually answer real player questions would do so much to improve their respect among gamers and customers.

It is like going to a restaurant where they serve you food, but don't offer utensils to eat it with. When you complain, they say, "We're not an eating company, we are a food company", and then shut down their facebook page.

But what im saying is I would have bought what both A and B bought if they'd given me time. However, my interest in orks and AM will have waned by the time I update my main 3 and they will therefore only get the income of a B customer from me rather than an A+B customer.

I agree with the people who say the Codexes will get their update but GW will switch to the new "dataslate" format.

Solis Luna Astrum wrote:

ShaneTB wrote:
We were talking about this at the weekend. There's an internal reason for this quick release scale. It's clear they want everything to be done and on a level to make way for...whatever their new strategy is.

I agree 100%. We don't know their reason for the drive to get everything up to date, but there is a reason and a plan.

The reason for the release schedule is to drive sales. New edition, new books, new models. Its not part of some big plan to surprise us with something great. Its an attempt to boost their plummeting sales. Why do you think kits from the same codex are released over a 2-3 week period? Because its a lot easier to get people to spend $100 a week for three weeks in a row, than it is to get them to spend $300 in one purchase.

Dont kid yourselves, the release schedule is a marketing strategy, nothing more. The fact that it will result in all armies being up to date is inconsequential to GW management.

I'm surprised no one's said the obvious.

They'll update the 6th edition codices to 7th edition. They've shown with the GK codex they don't care anymore if the releases have any new models.

Add some detachments, formations, change some numbers, throw in some cards and a supplement. There we go, new release.

Solis Luna Astrum wrote:
All army codexies will now be current to the current rule book. As an aside, I also believe that the long rumored release of models and codex for Sisters of Battle.

I wouldn't bet on it. Last time there was just one codex book outstanding it was Squats, and we all know what happened to them.

Although on that note, that was also when GW introduced new armies namely Sisters, and Necrons. So perhaps they will do the same again and start expanding other parts of the background. People have been yammering on about an Ad Mec force for a while, and of course they could always "Bring back Squats!".

Dreadfleet 2: This time you will buy it.

Or 40k 8th edition.

They'll just start rolling them over again to the new photos and formations format.

 Thairne wrote:
Suplements and Dataslates. You can introduce new models with dataslates providing the appropriate rules.

Besides that, I'm sure they will come up with new "stuff everyone has to have", the likes of Lords of War, using power creep to sell models.

Well, I hope they bring back Fantasy: new ruleset and new release of each faction.

As desperate as they are for more material, they probably still won't give us chaos legions or plastic SOB.

 MWHistorian wrote:
As desperate as they are for more material, they probably still won't give us chaos legions or plastic SOB.

After all codex updates (GK; Necrons, BA, DE), I guess we'll see dataslates and supplements on a random basis.

After 40k, we start seeing fantasy on the same fast track release. 40k news dies down to maybe a supplement or dataslate or formation. When all fantasy is done, guess what? 8th edition and we get to play this all over again!

sand.zzz wrote:

Solis Luna Astrum wrote:

ShaneTB wrote:
We were talking about this at the weekend. There's an internal reason for this quick release scale. It's clear they want everything to be done and on a level to make way for...whatever their new strategy is.

I agree 100%. We don't know their reason for the drive to get everything up to date, but there is a reason and a plan.

The reason for the release schedule is to drive sales. New edition, new books, new models. Its not part of some big plan to surprise us with something great. Its an attempt to boost their plummeting sales. Why do you think kits from the same codex are released over a 2-3 week period? Because its a lot easier to get people to spend $100 a week for three weeks in a row, than it is to get them to spend $300 in one purchase.

Dont kid yourselves, the release schedule is a marketing strategy, nothing more. The fact that it will result in all armies being up to date is inconsequential to GW management.

If their sole motivation is to drive sales then why no new Grey Knights models? GKs are lacking in fast attack. Fluff or not they would have sold a ton of Grey Knights on bikes with Nemesis Lances. Three Grey Knights on bikes for $60 - $75? People would have bitched about the price and bought every one GW could crank out. Grey Knights lack long range anti tank. Why no new Dreadnaught with dual twin-linked lascannons and a missle pod, again they would have sold a lot of them.

The fact that no models were released when they could have sold a lot of them weakens your argument. As far as models go, I predict that Necrons, also an army with a very current model range, will get no more than two new units, but I'd bet it's only one new model. Dark Eldar are the same, two, maybe three new models at best. I think Blood Angels stand to get the most in terms of new models, along the lines of the Dark Angels release. New Death Company Terminators, new fliers, maybe a new Predator kit.

Solis Luna Astrum wrote:

sand.zzz wrote:

Solis Luna Astrum wrote:

ShaneTB wrote:
We were talking about this at the weekend. There's an internal reason for this quick release scale. It's clear they want everything to be done and on a level to make way for...whatever their new strategy is.

I agree 100%. We don't know their reason for the drive to get everything up to date, but there is a reason and a plan.

The reason for the release schedule is to drive sales. New edition, new books, new models. Its not part of some big plan to surprise us with something great. Its an attempt to boost their plummeting sales. Why do you think kits from the same codex are released over a 2-3 week period? Because its a lot easier to get people to spend $100 a week for three weeks in a row, than it is to get them to spend $300 in one purchase.

Dont kid yourselves, the release schedule is a marketing strategy, nothing more. The fact that it will result in all armies being up to date is inconsequential to GW management.

If their sole motivation is to drive sales than why no new Grey Knights models? GKs are lacking in fast attack. Fluff or not they would have sold a ton of Grey Knights on bikes with Nemesis Lances. Three Grey Knights on bikes for $60 - $75? People would have bitched about the price and bought every one GW could crank out. Grey Knights lack long range anti tank. Why no new Dreadnaught with dual twin-linked lascannons and a missle pod, again they would have sold a lot of them.

The fact that no models were released when they could have sold a lot of them weakens your argument. As far as models go, I predict that Necrons, also an army with a very current model range, will get no more than two new units, but I'd bet it's only one new model. Dark Eldar are the same, two, maybe three new models at best. I think Blood Angels stand to get the most in terms of new models, along the lines of the Dark Angels release. New Death Company Terminators, new fliers, maybe a new Predator kit.

It's fast money with minimal effort. That's the point he was getting at. Crank out a GK book with half the content, raise the price. Boom. Done. What about new models? No time and it would cost money to make them. They just want the quick easy buck right now.

I expect WFB to get the same rapid release treatment 40K has gotten once all of the softcover 40K codexes are updated. Fantasy has really fallen behind, so it makes sense that GW would to try to rejuvinate the line.

Being able to focus on only one set of rules updates will also allow GW to be more of the model company they claim to be and focus on producing new plastics to replace those outdated finecast models.

 MWHistorian wrote:


It's fast money with minimal effort. That's the point he was getting at. Crank out a GK book with half the content, raise the price. Boom. Done. What about new models? No time and it would cost money to make them. They just want the quick easy buck right now.

Sorry, that fails to explain anything. Orks and Space Wolves were both released with a large quantity of new models. Nothing prevented them from doing the same with Grey Knights. A new book with new models would generate far more revenue than just the book alone. Fast sales cannot be the reason one army gets lots of new models, then the same reason another army gets none. If your "new book, raise price, boom, done" theory were correct they would have done the same thing with Orks and Wolves, after all, no one was screaming for new models for those armies.

I think there is no way that GW will moveon to fantasy and dedicate as much time to WHFB as they currently are to 40k, simply because WHFB takes a pittance in comparison to 40K and always has.

Solis Luna Astrum wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:


It's fast money with minimal effort. That's the point he was getting at. Crank out a GK book with half the content, raise the price. Boom. Done. What about new models? No time and it would cost money to make them. They just want the quick easy buck right now.

Sorry, that fails to explain anything. Orks and Space Wolves were both released with a large quantity of new models. Nothing prevented them from doing the same with Grey Knights. A new book with new models would generate far more revenue than just the book alone. Fast sales cannot be the reason one army gets lots of new models, then the same reason another army gets none. If your "new book, raise price, boom, done" theory were correct they would have done the same thing with Orks and Wolves, after all, no one was screaming for new models for those armies.

I'm not dealing in absolutes. I'm just saying that this time they were super lazy. I never mentioned it was for all releases. That was your conjecture.

 SilverDevilfish wrote:
I'm surprised no one's said the obvious.

They'll update the 6th edition codices to 7th edition. They've shown with the GK codex they don't care anymore if the releases have any new models.

Add some detachments, formations, change some numbers, throw in some cards and a supplement. There we go, new release.

Aye, this. They didn't baulk at giving the core ruleset a lifespan of just 23 months between editions, they won't think twice about invalidating codexes of a similar age. Their entire business model seems to work on the assumption that all of us will buy new books whenever they print them, rather than just saying 'no' and sticking with the current books (which work perfectly fine and do not need updating for the most part)

You know what I think?

When they have made them all hardback books, they will simply re-start again in a similar order, churning the "old" hardback codex's out in the new format..

After that it will be 40k 8th ed imo..

Given the state of the release of the Grey Knights codex, I don't know what we couldn't put past GW releasing.

I mean, they released the Stormclaw set, which, while it was limited, was actually a good value (for them).

Then they released a hardcover Codex with no new models at all, and markedly reduced choices from the previous, less expensive Codex.

While they might have 'a plan', I don't see any evidence from their last six months or so of that plan being coherent or consistent.

The only thing that seems consistent is that GW seems determined to release rules and updates piecemeal and scattered over many different publications (if you thought Chapter Approved used to be bad...). Beyond that, you could see blatant cash grabs, massive price hikes, rules nerfs, or actually discounted product (if you snaffle it up fast enough). You could see amazingly good models (Flash Gits) or (at best) extremely polarizing ones (Grimnar on doglsed). Who knows?

Box sets, giving different battle scenarios. Something along the lines of imerial armour. It would be easy sells can be marketed well and expands people's interest in different armies.

That's what I would do. But I'm not pretending to be able to read the GW hive mind.

Personally I wouldn't object to the above strategy as it give access to cheaper models and maybe scenery.

And just to correct the OP a little, lots of people were asking this question in this thread here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/607499.page

WHFB and the 6th Ed 40k Codices (though probably at a reduced pace from what we are seeing now). Maybe adding more things like Imperial Knights.

It's funny, a completely updated edition has been something the community has been asking for for years and now that it's almost a reality people are freaking out.

All army codexies will now be current to the current rule book.

There are rumours the Chaos codex is being reworked/rewritten and if thats the case who knows what others might get a redo next year whilst 7th is still alive.
I wouldnt hold my breath for the end of 40k or releases.
As mentioned earlier suppliments too provide almost unlimited potential.

 Las wrote:
It's funny, a completely updated edition has been something the community has been asking for for years and now that it's almost a reality people are freaking out.

The problem isn't about complaining about having everything updated, its a question on what will GW do now and will it be enough to save them financially. They already fired their big guns and they have no big things left. So, what now?