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Cyel wrote: And yet, both Oxford and Cambridge dictionaries disagree with you, listing "pet" in its sexual context as informal and using the default definition of
Many dictionaries also list things like 'irregardless' as words these days. Common usage changes meanings. That's not really the point of the thread, though... something can be both commonly accepted usage and also really irritating to people who grew up with different usage.
While true, I think going straight to OED to illustrate that the oldest/most proper use of a word is different than how one is accustomed to it being used is good.
Earlier, someone mentioned "for some strange reason" . . . I use this one a few times a week at work. But, not because I'm lying, but rather, because the internal system that the company uses is hot garbage. so usually, in an email it will be "for some strange reason, [company system] did X thing, can you do Y to fix the situation?" because 1. I don't want to point fingers at anyone and suggest they can't do their job. 2. there are times where people who've been in this system since day 1 will go "that's weird. Why did it do that? It's supposed to do this when I do the thing"
For an addition to the thread: not so much words, but rather how they are used. . . In truck advertising, why does everything need to be BIGGER, BADDER, MOAR CAPABLE. . . when the vast, VAST majority of morons buying those trucks will never actually need big, bad, or capable, much less bigger, badder, or more capability.
Or. . . advertising in general. I hear the new iPhone ad. . . there hasn't been a single one on the current gen phone where they DON'T tack on "with Titanium" as if that's supposed to actually do something meaningful for the consumer
Cyel wrote: And yet, both Oxford and Cambridge dictionaries disagree with you, listing "pet" in its sexual context as informal and using the default definition of
Many dictionaries also list things like 'irregardless' as words these days. Common usage changes meanings. That's not really the point of the thread, though... something can be both commonly accepted usage and also really irritating to people who grew up with different usage.
While true, I think going straight to OED to illustrate that the oldest/most proper use of a word is different than how one is accustomed to it being used is good.
To "pet" an animal isn't some arcane use of the word but incredibly common and other dictionaries do list it so now we're devolving into "my dictionary can beat up your dictionary" foolishness.
But since were on the OED one of the fourteen definitions given was "To make a pet of, treat as a pet; to indulge; to fondle, to stroke" and originating about 1629. It also has "Originally U.S. To engage in sexually stimulating kissing, caressing, and touching." originating about 1921. I'm no chronoligist but I do believe 1629 is further back in time than 1921.
OED also lists one meaning of "pet" as "An act of breaking wind; a fart."
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
When hip young things use newspeak to try to insult you. The whole point of looking to insult someone is to…insult them. And let them know you’ve insulted them.
But when you use mindless TikTok drivel or what have you? I’m left entirely non-plussed, because I’ve absolutely no idea what you’re on about, and as a result, I don’t care.
I don’t know what a Mandem is. If you tell I’m Rizz, or Spackhandychoptubes? I’ll just revert to the classics. Including some largely banned ones. Because what we have here, is a failure, on your part, to communicate.
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I am rarely bothered by different dialects and evolving slang, but that may be a product of my career as much as anything. I work in healthcare, which has a different and sometimes contradictory jargon for each specialty as well as being exposed to a wide manner of different ways of speaking expressed by patients. I've also worked in 3 distinct regions to add to that, and currently work in a clinic with national coverage. You kind of get used to people using all kinds of terms and switching between them.
I do get annoyed by incorrectly-used phrases though, some have already been mentioned in this thread.
ChargerIIC wrote: If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is.
To "pet" an animal isn't some arcane use of the word but incredibly common and other dictionaries do list it so now we're devolving into "my dictionary can beat up your dictionary" foolishness.
But since were on the OED one of the fourteen definitions given was "To make a pet of, treat as a pet; to indulge; to fondle, to stroke" and originating about 1629. It also has "Originally U.S. To engage in sexually stimulating kissing, caressing, and touching." originating about 1921. I'm no chronoligist but I do believe 1629 is further back in time than 1921.
OED also lists one meaning of "pet" as "An act of breaking wind; a fart."
To note. . . I'm firmly on the side of "you pet a dog", being completely non-sexual, as it is the most common way of expressing that act. I'm fully in agreement that it isn't, as you say, some arcane use of the word. that someone SOLELY associates that word with the sexual act of petting, is telling on them, not on the thousands, if not millions of people who use the word in other contexts.
And, I only pointed out that OED is perhaps one of the best sources for what words and terms mean. It isn't exactly "hey google, what does this word mean?" I never intended to come across as "my dictionary can beat up yours".
2024/02/11 02:53:40
Subject: Re:No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition
You're not petting an animal. You're patting it. You're giving it a pat, not a pet. Petting is light sexual contact (hopefully between two humans). If you're petting an animal then I am not only concerned, but have some serious questions for you.
So you pat a pet and pet a Pat?
CHAOS! PANIC! DISORDER!
My job here is done.
2024/02/11 05:51:43
Subject: Re:No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition
You're not petting an animal. You're patting it. You're giving it a pat, not a pet. Petting is light sexual contact (hopefully between two humans). If you're petting an animal then I am not only concerned, but have some serious questions for you.
So you pat a pet and pet a Pat?
If you ask nicely, sure.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
And unless you're quoting an American, there's no reason for you to be saying "y'all".
Other than the fact that English is a terrible language with no 2nd person plural pronoun?
You can either use the plural "you", and pick it up from context (and it can work like that in plenty of languages) or do like they do in my hometown and say "ye".
I've been an English speaker my entire life and have never once been misunderstood and therefore required the use of "y'all". I mean if you're from the US where it's a natural part of speech, knock yourselves out, but I find it incredibly embarrassing when Irish or British people do it, or when non-native speakers living outside the US do it.
Da Boss wrote: If you're not American, and you're not talking about your parents, I don't want to hear you saying "folks".
And unless you're quoting an American, there's no reason for you to be saying "y'all".
And as a high school teacher, "bro, bruh, bro, bro"
Please, stop.
To some extent I get y'all, but folk/folks meaning people is pretty common in a UK context too. It's a word that goes back to before old English* and pops up in multiple contexts, like folk music or folk ways.
*Cognate with volk in German.
ChargerIIC wrote: If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is.
Olthannon wrote: The company I work for now is full of awful corpo speak.
"Sense checking" is a loathsome phrase.
While(most) of my local branch is sane, every time we have a (mandatory) fireside chat, meet the leadership, quarterly update thing it flys thick and heavy.
Which is hilarious. It’s like they are speaking another language, on a few different levels. They are all synergistically fast-failing new paradigms to leverage innovation in the market space, and I’m just spinning like a little working cog, following the pathways and trying not to violate HIPPA laws. We’ve merged/been bought/been sold 3 times since I’ve been there, with different upper management. They all say the same things, tell us we are going to to do new things, with the latest buzzwords, but I still do my value-add one bit at a time at the bottom like I’ve been doing unchanged for years.
Most of the buzzwords actually make common sense if you think about them, but are so rizzed up (did I use that right?) that they become incomprehensible. Probably because someone paid a few million to a consultant and he needed to tell them something to justify his bill, and the “savings" get passed on to us...
'Best life' as in 'living my best life'
Its your best life, worst life and only life and you can't ever tell if its the best it could be so stop it. Say you are enjoying you life - its what you actually mean.
I also hate the number of americanisms sipping in to the UK. I dont mind americans using them - its their dialect they can sound as odd as they want, but why copy when we have our own everchanging slang without theirs?
Business jargon/buzzwords in non business situations I work in a college and the amount of bussiness jargon comming out of senior management is horrific.
Unnessecary acronyms - I already have to code switch between science, education and managment do we need so many highly specific acronyms that get changed so often?
You get an email informing you of what we are to do half in randon letter groups like its only half de-encrypted, then you have to make an equiry a few months latter about it and half have changed meanings, some no longer exist and the rest no one bothered to let you know what they mean becaus everyone knows them right? No - I have a science back ground not social services, not degree level education or bussiness management. I explain my acronyms when I use them and they don't change (DNA is DNA, FISH is FISH etc) we gain more but I explain the first time i use them in an email/essay/anwser every time why can they?
And unless you're quoting an American, there's no reason for you to be saying "y'all".
Other than the fact that English is a terrible language with no 2nd person plural pronoun?
You can either use the plural "you", and pick it up from context (and it can work like that in plenty of languages) or do like they do in my hometown and say "ye".
I've been an English speaker my entire life and have never once been misunderstood and therefore required the use of "y'all". I mean if you're from the US where it's a natural part of speech, knock yourselves out, but I find it incredibly embarrassing when Irish or British people do it, or when non-native speakers living outside the US do it.
Y'all possibly has it's origin in Scots-Irish contraction. I'm an English-speaking Irish man, and it's a phrase I use, interchangeably with 'ye', depending on with whom I'm communicating.
And unless you're quoting an American, there's no reason for you to be saying "y'all".
Other than the fact that English is a terrible language with no 2nd person plural pronoun?
You can either use the plural "you", and pick it up from context (and it can work like that in plenty of languages) or do like they do in my hometown and say "ye".
I've been an English speaker my entire life and have never once been misunderstood and therefore required the use of "y'all". I mean if you're from the US where it's a natural part of speech, knock yourselves out, but I find it incredibly embarrassing when Irish or British people do it, or when non-native speakers living outside the US do it.
Y'all possibly has it's origin in Scots-Irish contraction. I'm an English-speaking Irish man, and it's a phrase I use, interchangeably with 'ye', depending on with whom I'm communicating.
Mad. Where in Ireland are you from? I'm from Wexford, lived in Dublin and the Midlands, never heard anyone say "y'all" unless they were imitating an american for a joke.
Olthannon wrote: The company I work for now is full of awful corpo speak.
"Sense checking" is a loathsome phrase.
While(most) of my local branch is sane, every time we have a (mandatory) fireside chat, meet the leadership, quarterly update thing it flys thick and heavy.
Which is hilarious. It’s like they are speaking another language, on a few different levels. They are all synergistically fast-failing new paradigms to leverage innovation in the market space, and I’m just spinning like a little working cog, following the pathways and trying not to violate HIPPA laws. We’ve merged/been bought/been sold 3 times since I’ve been there, with different upper management. They all say the same things, tell us we are going to to do new things, with the latest buzzwords, but I still do my value-add one bit at a time at the bottom like I’ve been doing unchanged for years.
Most of the buzzwords actually make common sense if you think about them, but are so rizzed up (did I use that right?) that they become incomprehensible. Probably because someone paid a few million to a consultant and he needed to tell them something to justify his bill, and the “savings" get passed on to us...
"Thought leadership" is a phrase that gets used in place of "ideas" when said organization is out of ideas.
Enthused. That word really irks me. You can be enthusiastic about something, but enthused is a made-up word spoken by idiots if you ask me.
You know what else grinds my gears? People typing loose when they mean lose. You don't loose a game if you don't win, you lose it. I see it all the time on facebook and plenty of posters HERE ON DAKKA do it regularly like a bunch of monkeys (you know who you are). It drives me absolutely flying rodent gak crazy!
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2024/02/13 02:13:06
Subject: Re:No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition
You know what else grinds my gears? People typing loose when they mean lose. You don't loose a game if you don't win, you lose it. I see it all the time on facebook and plenty of posters HERE ON DAKKA do it regularly like a bunch of monkeys (you know who you are). It drives me absolutely flying rodent gak crazy!
To be fair things like that are because English is honestly horribly messy - even half the "rules" we learn have so many exceptions that they aren't even rules.
Apparently the whole "i before e except after c" isn't even taught any more as there are so many exceptions it makes the rule almost pointless to learn in the first place.
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