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 Fezman wrote:
Does anyone else think the grav weapons sound a bit gimmicky rather than good? A gun that makes Terminators as fragile as a breadstick but turns Ork Boyz and Guardsmen into powerhouses...far too situational when we already have low-AP, high-STR gear. I just can't see, unless they have some ridiculous new traits yet to be revealed, why I'd choose them over plasma or melta.

My stance on the matter exactly.

The problems with BT might be a self-fulfilling prophecy on GW's part. They haven't updated the codex since '05. The only other 4th edition codex still kicking around is Orks, but that was released in early '08.

Obviously, when you leave one codex hanging out there for 8 years, while releasing books like SW, BA, GK, and DA, it's unlikely that BT keeps up, and especially unlikely that a newer player is going to pick up BT. Hopefully they at least give BT their own supplement or something to set them apart.

The other thing I'm really hoping for is some cost adjustment on Vanguard veterans, down to 25 pts for the base guy + jump pack, instead of requiring 30 pts for that. I'd always wanted to build a cool army with these guys, jumping straight into CC and causing all sorts of havoc (and with slightly increased average charge ranges they are even more deadly), but jeez, their cost is very prohibitive at present, especially considering they can be shot up like no one's business.

 Fezman wrote:
Does anyone else think the grav weapons sound a bit gimmicky rather than good? A gun that makes Terminators as fragile as a breadstick but turns Ork Boyz and Guardsmen into powerhouses...far too situational when we already have low-AP, high-STR gear. I just can't see, unless they have some ridiculous new traits yet to be revealed, why I'd choose them over plasma or melta.

As we have not seen rules or point costs, it's hard to say how good it will be. However, if I understood the rumour correctly, it makes a good armour detriment. I hate this sort of crap. Heavily armoured models in this game pay points for that protection, it is one thing to have some weapons that bypass that protection, and quite another to have weapons that turn that investment into a weakness.

Situational, certainly, but wounding Riptides/Wraithknights/TMC's and the like on a 3+ could be interesting.

I'm hoping/wishlisting it may have a grounding effect too for those pesky flying Daemon Princes and Hive tryants...!

Yes, that's why I say they may yet have some unique traits. To be honest when I saw the "grav" prefix my first thought was that they would have some effect on the target's movement. Maybe they will make the target treat all terrain as difficult?

 Ouze wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Are BT really that unpopular? I seem to find a lot of people who love them.

If you look on the Internet, you can find anything you imagine. Yes, even that.

Truly inexplicable, if you ask me. I'm not really a marine player but BT seem ideal.

 Breotan wrote:
Yes, Ouze, some people like BT. I'm guessing not enough buy BT to make it worth GW's time and effort.

Kronk Kronkington loves the Black Templars. The Black Templars were Kronk Kronkington's starter army and he can drop down a fully painted 10k Apoc army (although it's all packed for the big move right now).

Kronk Kronkington has his credit card standing by for the LE Black Templar codex and the LE Black Templar Supplemental (if there is one) and whatever new Black Templar vehicle, character, whatever they make.

Go, go Sons of Dorn!

 Traceoftoxin wrote:

 ace101 wrote:
Does anyone have rumors about how Chapter tactics work with generic characters? Will it be similar to the 4th edition ones or predefined like 5th? I'm very interested, as to the replicability of Blood Ravens, BLUUD REHVENS!!!

You want lots of librarians and to steal things from other chapters?

More along the lines of divination and infiltrate/counter attack. Divination definately is integral to how the Blood Ravens operate, as to predict the enemy movements and act accordingly (RTS style ala DoW).

 kronk wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Are BT really that unpopular? I seem to find a lot of people who love them.

If you look on the Internet, you can find anything you imagine. Yes, even that.

Truly inexplicable, if you ask me. I'm not really a marine player but BT seem ideal.

 Breotan wrote:
Yes, Ouze, some people like BT. I'm guessing not enough buy BT to make it worth GW's time and effort.

Kronk Kronkington loves the Black Templars. The Black Templars were Kronk Kronkington's starter army and he can drop down a fully painted 10k Apoc army (although it's all packed for the big move right now).

Kronk Kronkington has his credit card standing by for the LE Black Templar codex and the LE Black Templar Supplemental (if there is one) and whatever new Black Templar vehicle, character, whatever they make.

Go, go Sons of Dorn!

May the eternal crusaders march forever foward against the enemies of man, may they smite them with rightoeus fury, may their steel and faith drive them through the darkest of times, to emerge from the pit as a shining beacon of light, to which all men will rally to. They shall deliver the Emperors message to all. FOR DORN AND THE EMPEROR!

Beat that any other chapter, no one tries harder than the Templars, have at it.

Fiiine, hmmm something on topic, why dont GW do LE covers like this for all armies, such as guardians of the covenant, tzeentch, emperors children. Pretty sure more people would go for them.

 unmercifulconker wrote:



Beat that any other chapter, no one tries harder than the Templars, have at it.

*cough* Ophidium Gulf *cough*

Templars beaten!


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 unmercifulconker wrote:
Fiiine, hmmm something on topic, why dont GW do LE covers like this for all armies, such as guardians of the covenant, tzeentch, emperors children. Pretty sure more people would go for them.

Assuming they will do it for Space Marines you mean? Hard to extrapolate a trend from something that hasn't happened yet

 Zweischneid wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:



Beat that any other chapter, no one tries harder than the Templars, have at it.

*cough* Ophidium Gulf *cough*

Templars beaten!


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 unmercifulconker wrote:
Fiiine, hmmm something on topic, why dont GW do LE covers like this for all armies, such as guardians of the covenant, tzeentch, emperors children. Pretty sure more people would go for them.

Assuming they will do it for Space Marines you mean? Hard to extrapolate a trend from something that hasn't happened yet

Damn thats a cool story.

Oh yeah assuming these rumours are correct of course.



Huh, has anyone seen these yet, they are sketches of the new armour from gamesday. http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/september-white-dwarf-cover-and-old.html

edit: Duuuuh silly me, its old concept.

I would have bought a LE Chaos codex if it had an Iron Warrior cover. DA's are the only other "Faction" to have an equal place in my heart and they have their own book so that wasn't needed

But yeah, they missed the boat on an IW, WB, AL, and NL covers for the Chaos book when it released.

Prediction / Doomsaying mode on.

Following GW's track record, we'll have something like:

Terminators are now very expensive points wise, probably matching Deathwing, without their extra rules.

Land Raiders discouraged. (Points, rules, whatever)
Storm Ravens encouraged. (Cheaper points)

Dreadmarines being encouraged to be used as the replacement for Terminators in most lists.

Storm Talons increased in points cost, more to the White Dwarf article again.

The new 'hot' unit will probably be Vanguard Veterans 'Heroic Intervention'-ing out of a Storm Raven.

Prediction mode off.

Yeup, no faith in GW anymore whatsoever...

 BryllCream wrote:
There is nothing in that post that I do not like.

Except the new, weird terminator-ish suit. That just sounds like Oblits/Mutilators BUT FOR SPEHSS MEHRENS. Are C:CSM not allowed anything unique??

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 BryllCream wrote:
There is nothing in that post that I do not like.

Except the new, weird terminator-ish suit. That just sounds like Oblits/Mutilators BUT FOR SPEHSS MEHRENS. Are C:CSM not allowed anything unique??

C:CSM players are only allowed to cry when Codex: Space Marines gets a flyer that can vector strike a transport and then burn what's inside with a S6 AP3 turret + torrent flamer.

And if the suits come with one of every good weapon in the game.

please note, this a literal copypasta off of facebook, apparently an american 40k podcast "40kradio" is responsible for this, so all credit goesto them, and the hapless soul i copied this off of (hes a friend, im sure he wont mind =p


"Centurions:
The guys are a heavy support choice. They're a marine cased in heavy armor with powerfist with lascannons under slung on one pic and heavy bolters on the other. Think of a heavier terminator armor that a marine straps into. I think this is where Chaos Oblits came from. They look to be on 40mm and I'm really starting to dig these models.

Plastic Chaplain:
Like other plastic HQ's that have come out. He is armed with a Crozius and bolt pistol. He has ornate armor and he is in a dynamic pose.

Plastic Librarian:
Same as above regarding previous HQ releases. He is helmetless and he's armed with a staff. He also has a wicked cherub flying off his pack pack. I really like this model.

The Hunter:
I believe this will be anti-air rhino. Its a cross between Vindicator Heavy Armor and a whirlwind style weapon mounted on the back. It comes with two cannons that have three barrels.

Vanguard Plastic:
I saw two separate pics one armed with TH/SS and one with a pair of Lighting claws, finally. Same Marine bodies just with some new iconography to freshen up the models.

From what I have seen so far the Marine release is going to be huge for GW. Sorry about no pics but I promised."

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 BryllCream wrote:
There is nothing in that post that I do not like.

Except the new, weird terminator-ish suit. That just sounds like Oblits/Mutilators BUT FOR SPEHSS MEHRENS. Are C:CSM not allowed anything unique??

EXACTLY like Obliterators/Mutilators, except:
-It's bigger,
-It doesn't get to swap weapon options around every turn,
-It doesn't only use energy based weapons,
-It's a frikkin' exosuit of some kind strapped to the armor of a Marine, not a mutant creature who absorbs weapons into it's body.

Seriously, it's not THAT close.

That sounds freaking awesome. It will be interesting to see how they did the centurions. Really like the concept, however it will be interesting to see the level of encasement they go for, as well as positioning.

I think it would be cool to see a Gears of War Style Mech, however a smaller strap in armor would also be pretty cool, and it sounds like that is what it is.

"Loyalist obliterator". Hate it.

Do we suspect multiple waves of releases for SM this year or should it be an all out release in September?

 Zweischneid wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Fiiine, hmmm something on topic, why dont GW do LE covers like this for all armies, such as guardians of the covenant, tzeentch, emperors children. Pretty sure more people would go for them.

Assuming they will do it for Space Marines you mean? Hard to extrapolate a trend from something that hasn't happened yet

They did this exact thing with the Chaos Daemons (LE Khorne, Slaanesh, Nurgle, and Tzeentch). Maybe that's where/when they first had the idea. Sucks that they missed the boat for C: CSM. Sounds cools for C: SM, though.

LegioX217 wrote:
Do we suspect multiple waves of releases for SM this year or should it be an all out release in September?

GW doesn't do wave releases anymore.

ClockworkZion wrote:

LegioX217 wrote:
Do we suspect multiple waves of releases for SM this year or should it be an all out release in September?

GW doesn't do wave releases anymore.

Okay thanks. I was wondering because I saw there were land speeders and other things on the "leaked release schedule" and haven't heard anything else about them yet.

LegioX217 wrote:
Okay thanks. I was wondering because I saw there were land speeders and other things on the "leaked release schedule" and haven't heard anything else about them yet.

That schedule is a fake.

That "release leak" has been debunked rather spectacularly at this point.

I'm trusting these pre-release rumors more than I have in a while. Best Pone usually seems to be on target, and his and these new rumors are jibing with Hasting's rumors from a while back.

Everyone Listen to this man

 Compel wrote:
Prediction / Doomsaying mode on.

Following GW's track record, we'll have something like:

Terminators are now very expensive points wise, probably matching Deathwing, without their extra rules.

Land Raiders discouraged. (Points, rules, whatever)
Storm Ravens encouraged. (Cheaper points)

Dreadmarines being encouraged to be used as the replacement for Terminators in most lists.

Storm Talons increased in points cost, more to the White Dwarf article again.

The new 'hot' unit will probably be Vanguard Veterans 'Heroic Intervention'-ing out of a Storm Raven.

Prediction mode off.

Yeup, no faith in GW anymore whatsoever...

When I talk About Knowing GWs game… This is what I’m talking about. Read his prediction and see it become the truth.
Push the models that need to sell, fudge the models that have more than paid for themselves, when you buy an all whatever army this codex allows… and then it is null and void in 7th… you were warned.
I’m not even Anti-GW. I still buy a box set every year or Bits (when it was ok)
But when it comes to buying the latest greatest army variant, keeping up with the newest toy, or getting the newest Wining game piece. I refuse.
Compel +1 and you know your GW business model quite well. Hats off.

 Compel wrote:
Prediction / Doomsaying mode on.

Following GW's track record, we'll have something like:

Terminators are now very expensive points wise, probably matching Deathwing, without their extra rules.

Land Raiders discouraged. (Points, rules, whatever)
Storm Ravens encouraged. (Cheaper points)

Dreadmarines being encouraged to be used as the replacement for Terminators in most lists.

Storm Talons increased in points cost, more to the White Dwarf article again.

The new 'hot' unit will probably be Vanguard Veterans 'Heroic Intervention'-ing out of a Storm Raven.

Prediction mode off.

Yeup, no faith in GW anymore whatsoever...

Why do you do this? What does this accomplish at all? You know what you could do instead of this? Wait 30 days and see. If things turn out lousy, then good for you. You get a gold star, a cookie, or what have you. Until then, this is just baseless whining.

Also if you have a generalist collection instead of a specialized collection then you handle the edition changes with much less purchases being required.

For example for my space marines I have a decent sized motor pool, a couple of every heavy weapon, a bunch of veterans of different stripes and a bunch of different HQs which will be magnetized for different configurations. When the new codex comes out I am looking at MAYBE 200 worth of additions(including codex), depending on how expensive the new armor guys are(if they even look good).

But then again I like to have a large diversity of stuff I can bring to the field instead of one uber build that never lasts more than a few codexes much less an edition.

It also follows that things that become good wont even get a new kit. Look at warp spiders, guardians, wave serpents, and a bunch of other things from codex eldar that are good but without a new kit? Tau there was nothing mandatory in their new models to make a good list, are riptides good? damn right but are not mandatory.

 Compel wrote:

Land Raiders discouraged. (Points, rules, whatever)
Storm Ravens encouraged. (Cheaper points)

I agree about the Storm Raven, but as for the Land Raider, I think they'll try just as hard to encourage use of that. It's an expensive kit, only £5 less than the Storm Raven and thus in the interests of GW to shift as many as possible, and I reckon its status as an assault vehicle will be made attractive in this Codex as a means to get the new type of CC-focused armour into combat.

 protomane0 wrote:
please note, this a literal copypasta off of facebook, apparently an american 40k podcast "40kradio" is responsible for this, so all credit goesto them, and the hapless soul i copied this off of (hes a friend, im sure he wont mind =p


"Centurions:
The guys are a heavy support choice. They're a marine cased in heavy armor with powerfist with lascannons under slung on one pic and heavy bolters on the other. Think of a heavier terminator armor that a marine straps into. I think this is where Chaos Oblits came from. They look to be on 40mm and I'm really starting to dig these models.

Plastic Chaplain:
Like other plastic HQ's that have come out. He is armed with a Crozius and bolt pistol. He has ornate armor and he is in a dynamic pose.

Plastic Librarian:
Same as above regarding previous HQ releases. He is helmetless and he's armed with a staff. He also has a wicked cherub flying off his pack pack. I really like this model.

The Hunter:
I believe this will be anti-air rhino. Its a cross between Vindicator Heavy Armor and a whirlwind style weapon mounted on the back. It comes with two cannons that have three barrels.

Vanguard Plastic:
I saw two separate pics one armed with TH/SS and one with a pair of Lighting claws, finally. Same Marine bodies just with some new iconography to freshen up the models.

From what I have seen so far the Marine release is going to be huge for GW. Sorry about no pics but I promised."

Heavy support: Predators, Vindicators, Whirlwind, Land Raiders, thunderfire cannon, devastators, and on top of that a 'hunter' and 'centurions' ? Seems a bit crowded.....