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i have got my youung bloods entery here and i wanted to know if it looked gloden deamon quality. i am open to any tips but no hard critisisim. for pictures look in my gallery please

Looks good (assuming I've got the right picture) but you might wanna tone down the flame's glow on the marine, it just looks like a gilded edge rather than glow.

Also might wanna make the colours more crisp and less murky, like the skulls.

In case you´re wondering about the HF guy, I´d say he´s close at least..

The base needs to be finished better, or preferably get a display base of some sort to put him on.

Also, a bit more work on the OSL would pay off, I realize you´ve probably spent a lot of time on it already, but a smoother blend would look better.

Other than that, I like your choice of model, and the paint job looks very nice as well.

Whether you´ll win or not, of course depends on the amount of people entering this year, and what they bring. But I certainly think you should enter it.

But yeah, the base is what is hurting him at the moment.


(Also, it helps if you at least link to the specific images you want us to comment on, can be difficult for me to guess which one you mean... No biggie, but it will get you more replies.)

thanks these are good stuff

To be honest, no that is not golden demon quality. Things that win golden demon are generally new realeases with some conversions painted pretty nicely. Keep in mind, golden demon is a marketing scam and they want to showcase the winners so people will buy them. This has been been shown by last years winner at Baltimore, the kid painted a unit of chaos warriors (new at the time), with a lot of washes (also new) and ended up beating a beautifully painted eldar falcon. I'm entering this year and have painted some sort of forgeworld for each category, hoping to win FW best in show.

Just so you can see what i mean. The eldar lost to the chaos.

Ouch bet that Eldar owner was majorly gutted
I'd vote that Falcon any day of the week

Unless I was having Chaos pangs lol

WOW the eldar tank is amasing but those chaos arn't as good by a long way

Are they Youngbloods entries?

I'm sure that there are different judging guidelines for the Youngbloods competition, which the OP is entering his model in.

Dont get me wrong, the Chaos are painted well.

But the Falcon pwns them. The time it must have taken to paint that... and what was he using to paint with? A needle? A single strand of hair? A micron? XD

You ask for tips rather than hard criticism but its Golden Demon standard you're aiming for, the standard has really gone up in the last 10 years, just look at old White Dwarfs and compare the difference. I'll be straight and say it isn't GD quality but you can make improvements.

You need to remove the mould lines, bit late for this model unless you want to strip the paint. GD is about modelling as well as painting, the lines detract and you don't get GD winners with obvious cast lines on them.

The glow effect is rather harsh so you'd need to tone it down a little and blend it more. It's not a technique I use because it's quite difficult to achieve. The paint finish in places looks a bit rough or patchy, the shield and flagpoles look either dry brushed or like paint has actually come off, the eagles should be well defined even if they are going to be fairly dark.

My tip would be to choose a different figure. It might be better to paint something more colourful, it gives more scope for highlighting and shading and you don't lose so much of the detail to a dark paint finish. Your miniature here is almost entirely black, apart from the orange, and black is a difficult colour to do really well. You want to show off some painting technique and I don't think this figure being so dark gives you the opportunity.

If I may ask, how long have you been painting? I don't think its GD material, but it is certainly tabletop quality. Personally if you showed up to play a game with me I would be a helluva lot more impressed it you had a fully painted army than some dumb corporate award.

It also depends on WHERE you are entering.

I've seen some of the European (like Spain or France) young-blood entries that were soo much better than say some of the adult entries in like Maryland USA.

Check out this site for reference and perspective:
http://demonwinner.free.fr/

You definitly need to tone down the OSL try although it is still done ok...

I would say no, you wouldn't place. The model you're showing has little attention to the bread and butter of the model the actual armor the focus you have is on the OSL and gold

you need to focus on the little things you have no highlights on the armor and no highlights on the deep red on the banner on the shield....you can't win a golden daemon only focusing on the little details you have to get the basics first

A nitpick, but your pilot light doesn't really look lit, yet you have flame shooting out of the barrel. When I zoom in way forward it does look like it might be lit, but the over the top lighting effects on the nozzle of the flamer make it hard to tell for me. I agree that the lighting is waaaay too intense.

In the case of the osl less is better I over did it with one of the first crisis suits I ever painted, and if you are going to games day I would not worry about how well your model is painted just do your best and check out others models while your there. In the future I would thin down your paints and pick up a plastic palet for like 10 cents so you can mix paints and add water to them. I wouldn't worry about a display base for young bloods just base the model well, and ask older peoples for advice (even people who might not paint can help) its alot easier when you can actually hold the model and observe it.

not good enough. to put it simply

Irkjoe wrote: This has been been shown by last years winner at Baltimore, the kid painted a unit of chaos warriors (new at the time), with a lot of washes (also new) and ended up beating a beautifully painted eldar falcon.

those minis were entered in different categories.

and the "warrior" unit is a unit of nurgle mutants that are a huge kitbash/gs job.

madman12367 wrote:i have got my youung bloods entery here and i wanted to know if it looked gloden deamon quality. i am open to any tips but no hard critisisim. for pictures look in my gallery please

In short. No.

You need to work on thinning your paints & keeping your highlights out of the recesses. And IMO the OSL is kinda over the top.

http://demonwinner.free.fr/uk/2009/golden_demon_winner.php?categorie=12 <- This is your competition. Notice the smooth highlihting and attention to contrast.

They were in different categories but the nurgle unit won the sword over the eldar. Reguardless of the amount of converting, I just think that the falcon demonstrated a much more skilled artist who put more time into his work.

although the eldar falcon surpasses the nurgle guys I still feel that the nurgle unit is very good quality, beating anything in my own collection

Cant see marine :(

I bet if you actually posted pictures instead of telling people to click through your gallery until they find it, you would get a lot more feedback.

And in my honest opinion, no, but it looks good.

It's a decent paintjob, definetly good tabletop quality, but it won't be winning any awards any time soon. Still, it shows that you definetly have the beginnings of good technique in you, and it's all about practice.

It looks good, but too repeat what has been said thinning the paint and making some of the other lines more crisp would help.

MAY make the first cut, but I'd personally doubt it. Adding my voice to the choir to say that thinner paint and crisper highlights would help, but I'd say it also needs an eye towards zenithal highlighting. Simple edge highlights like you're using don't quite cut it.

Oh, and regarding the Falcon: it's certainly technically impressive, but as a composition it just comes off as really, really busy. Almost painful to look at. The Marauders come together much more nicely, and manage to avoid being the visual equivalent of a kindergarten class that hasn't been fed for twelve hours.

Zydragon wrote:Dont get me wrong, the Chaos are painted well.

But the Falcon pwns them. The time it must have taken to paint that... and what was he using to paint with? A needle? A single strand of hair? A micron? XD

I'd vote the chaos tbh. That base for those warriors is so very very nice, I really want a top down shot of it. The shiny-ness of the "water" (presuming swamp) with the wooden tray with the lichen growing over the sides and through guys bases is some amazing work.

The other thing is character. Whilst it is meticulously painted and would look awesome as a display piece, i feel that the chaos warriors have more character than the falcon. Look at the guy at the back left- he looks about half a gift away from becoming a spawn!

For a Young Bloods category submission, I would say that it is good enough to enter.

ATTENTION: See that pic below? Vincent Hudon painted it. It was his FIRST mini. His goal? To win a GD. He did it too. A must read for those who want to win a GD. Hope Dakka dont mind me posting up the link.

Some notes on winning a GD - Free hand painting is a must. Do some metal effects. I think its called NMM? Learn to do blending and properly use your inks\washes. Also a note, some people spend a whole year on their entries so doing something over a weekend is unlikely to get you a medal.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=105449

pixelpusher wrote:

madman12367 wrote:i have got my youung bloods entery here and i wanted to know if it looked gloden deamon quality. i am open to any tips but no hard critisisim. for pictures look in my gallery please

In short. No.

You need to work on thinning your paints & keeping your highlights out of the recesses. And IMO the OSL is kinda over the top.

http://demonwinner.free.fr/uk/2009/golden_demon_winner.php?categorie=12 <- This is your competition. Notice the smooth highlihting and attention to contrast.

Im sorry, but unless I met those "kids" in person and actually saw them paint those, I dont believe a kid painted those, no way. Id bet more on an older sibling wanted to win something. and so had his little brother enter it.

But I have to agree with most the others on here, you need to work more on your skills if you really want to have a chance at winning. Yours looks good enough for a normal game or so, but it looks like you painted it in a few hours. How long did you spend on it?

I dont want to discourage you, but Id suggest going to the tutorial section and practicing some of those finer techniques over and over and try again. Good luck though mate