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So, seeing as it's my 666th post, I decided to ask about Daemons. Specifically, Daemon Princes: What's a favorite loadout for a Daemon Prince? How do you field them and what do you use them for?

Well, that depends. CSM or CD daemon princes?

Wings, Mark of Tzeentch, Warptime. If I have the points, I like to throw Gift of Chaos on there.

Turning things into Spawn is funny.

Any more I've just been going with a naked prince with wings. It's still a durable fast threat but it saves me points on what is essentially a distraction.

CSM DP I give wings, Warptime, wind of chaos, and let him bring out trouble.

CSM: MoN Warptime Wings

Daemons: MoT Bolt Breathe Iron Hide

Well, I play an EC army.
So I take 2 winged DPs with MoS, lash.

CSM:
Spartan Prince: Prince with Wings x 2.
If I feel spendy I throw in Mark of Nurgle.

For CSM, mark of khorne, wings, bloodfeeder (daemon weapon)
+2D6 attacks at S6 monstrous creature is incredibly powerful.

What are you talking about Lokirfellheart?
A Deamon Prince can not purchase daemon weapons that are only available to Lords...

2x Wings and MoN. Warptime as well if I have spare points.

CD: MoN, Iron Hide, Noxious Touch, Cloud of Flies. Wings if I have the points.

CSM: MOS, lash, wings Nasty, nasty beasty!

CSM: MoT, Wings, Warptime, Winds

little pricey, though.

Maenus_Rajhana wrote:CSM: MoT, Wings, Warptime, Winds.

^What I do with mine, except Warptime instead of Wind

This DP has eaten my chops many times.
MoN : Warptime : Wings

Basic prince with wings or MoT with wings, WT, WoC.

Wings + warptime for mine. If I have extra points Ill add either MoT or MoN. My princes often get heavily targeted in my games, so just the bare bones loadout for one crucial assault, then they usually get shot up right after and die.

Depends on the list I'm using.

Wings and warptime are the must haves.

Lately I've been working on a 1k sons list so the DP would have wings MoT, warptime and if I have spare points GoC (Spawn spam FTW!) =P

Nurgle/Wings/WT or if I'm feeling pricey Wings/Tzeentch/WT/Wind. Not a big fan of lash due to the local meta being so mech heavy and I hate not having one of the defensive options since T5 dies way too easily.

For Daemons I nurgle them up with wings, iron hide, cloud of flies and noxious touch. Expensive but they help a Nurgle Daemon army :p

@Krauser: Wind + Warptime is really, really mean though.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Nurgle/Wings/WT

@Krauser: Wind + Warptime is really, really mean though.

Nurgle + wings + WT is nasty, seen a game this weekend nurgle vs BA and the DP was unstoppable. if was finally brought down on turn 5 or 6 by focused lascan and asscan fire after annihilating 3 squads + sanguinary priest and a couple of vehicles.

I go for TZ + wing + GoC simple because its my chaos fun list. its the 1850 spawn spam list, so all that can take GoC take. Funny to see the faces of some people when suddently a sorceror does a rhino drive by and suddenly their squad holding an objective is in combat with 1 or 2 spawns (and one or two man short) =P

Be careful.
The timing of Gift is at the beginning of the turn. There is no such thing as 'drive by' and Gift in the same sentance.

Tz is the changer of ways he does as he pleases. xD

Jokes aside, drive by as cast GoC then drive away (still a driveby) so GoC and driveby can go in the same sentence.

I take 2 x Daemon Princes with warp time and MoT. I used to take MoN but I found things going after my Princes are lascannons, missile launchers, plasma guns, meltaguns, power fists, thunder hammers and all those wound on a 2+ (except plasma) and punch through the Princes 3+ armour save and force invulnerable, all except plasma guns, none those care about MoN they still wound on a 2+ whether T5 or T6.

I now take MoT which has better invulnerable save, ok not as immune to small arms fire, but if they Prince survives getting shot at my small arms it's going to assault them afterwards.

Literally, a drive by can not happen. It involves moving, shooting, then moving again, something the Rhino can not do It's more in the territory of Eldar and Tau

Seriously, I'm sure you know what I had meant.
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As for GoC and then driving away... only a desprate and foolish player would be in a position like that.
That 6" in the beginning of the phase is so limiting and I've seen it played as a shooting attack many times, just a note of caution.


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As for MoT, my DP's will likely have cover saves, so the ony things to care about are fists/hammers, makes MoT not as likely to show up in my lists.

If the DP is taking shots from meltas/plasma/ML/LC.... he is doing his job. Throwing MoT on him is somewhat of a detrement to that role of bullet magnet, for me that is.

Mark of Slaanesh
Iron Hide
Unholy Might
Aura of Acquiescence
Soporific Musk
Total: 165

This is my way of getting around how over-costed Wings are in Codex Daemons. Offensive grenades and a good armor save are rarities in daemon armies. The inclusion of Soporific Musk makes up for the lack of wings at a much cheaper price. Which allows me to splurge on other upgrades.

It's more for close combat and if cover isn't available, we've had this discussion before and cover won't always be available.

Though, as you said taking pain from those weapons leaves the rest of your army unmolesterd, but the Prince is still there next turn ready to be polished off.

For Chaos Daemons, I bring MoT, and bolt. If points allow either breath or gaze. I skip iron hide since a Tzeentch DP has a 4+ invul. The 3+ from the iron hide gets negated too often considering the type of weapons fired at a DP, and its too expensive for a slightly better save part of the time.

I would almost go for a Slaanesh DP, except it still can't catch anything without wings. It doesn't have fleet. So the chances of actually using its H&R is pretty low. If I want a MC in CD that has fleet, a KoS does the job better.

As for CSM I would say the MoN wings warptime is the most effective one available. The MoS with lash has its fans, but I'm personally not impressed. Why not just take a sorcerer and stick him in rhino with a squad?

Sanctjud wrote:Literally, a drive by can not happen. It involves moving, shooting, then moving again, something the Rhino can not do It's more in the territory of Eldar and Tau

Seriously, I'm sure you know what I had meant.
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As for GoC and then driving away... only a desprate and foolish player would be in a position like that.
That 6" in the beginning of the phase is so limiting and I've seen it played as a shooting attack many times, just a note of caution.

I know what you meant, still fun to try to get around it when one is bored xD

Ty for the heads up I rarely play chaos, so that mistake could happen (it never did so far, but never too careful)

Although it is actually possible to

Prince A lashes enemy to 5" away from Noise Marines.

Noise Marines then S5 AP3 flame smash them in the face.

Prince B lashes enemy 2d6", rolls like 11" and moves the unit so it's now 16" away from the Noise Marines (too far to assault them.)

Lash has such an excellent 24" range and combined with the 12" wings move, it's very versatile. Last game Slaanesh + Tyranids vs. Orks + Blood Angels, I flew over and Lashed 2 of his Deffkoptas like 10" over within 12" of some ripper swarms.

Those pathetic ripper swarms killed like 3 helicopters that game due to my one Lash prince, and only suffered like 1 or 2 wounds.

Lash helps with
- assault troops getting into assault (2d6" extra charge range basically, cuz enemy moved 2d6" towards you.)
- getting enemy off an objective (2d6" off it)
- maximizing templates (can get 10-12 hits with flamers instead of 3-4.)
- keeping assaulters from assaulting you. (Enemy trygon, super killing machine with 6" move and fleet, 7 S6-S7 attacks on charge and re-roll all misses. Two princes can juggle him 4d6" away each turn (average 14" moving him backwards and he moves towards you only 9.5" each turn)

If going combat:
Nurgle prince, wings, warptime. S6 T6 with re-rolls to hit and wound, he'd still get utterly massacred if that big Trygon jumped on him.

Lash princes become a liability at large points value games because T5 and enemy will gun them down. In low points value games I lose them 0% of the time unless I'm specifically sending them on a suicide mission to distract enemy and win me the game. In huge games, you'll want something like a lash sorc. in a big terminator unit because it takes much more gunfire to kill him.

At small levels, you can't really afford a bling bodyguard for a sorcerer so the cheap 155 point monstrous creature prince does it so much better, it lashes just as well plus it's got good stats.