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Rumours of apparent substance from Warseer (i.e. Harry hints that they're accurate). They've been kicking around for a while, but not seen them here.

Book will be written by Jeremy Vetock and is scheduled for a February/March Release (I would think March as February would mean two big Fantasy releases in two months with Skaven Wave 2 in January - Woo Hoo!)

All current SCs will be kept with a few additions... Wurzzag will be back (makes sense as a model exists already) and the suggestion is two new goblin special characters

The big new army list entry is rumoured to be a giant spider known as an Arachnarok. Much like a Stegadon, it can be used either as a mount for a character or some kind of war machine (rare choice)

Not much else apart from a cryptic comment from Harry...

In 8th edition, and starting with Orcs and Goblins we can expect a whole different kind of army book. Obviously many of the same sections will be there but expect something a bit different.

sooooo.... a new format for army books? sounds cool.

Lord of battles wrote:sooooo.... a new format for army books? sounds cool.

Cooler than a big arse spider?

I shall wait and see.

Flashman wrote:

Lord of battles wrote:sooooo.... a new format for army books? sounds cool.

Cooler than a big arse spider?

Touche

would love to see rumors!

Wut? New O&G book? Not Tomb Kings/Wood Elves/Ogre Kingdoms? Quite confusing, I'd say... I mean, the orc book works pretty well with the 8th ed, doesn't it?

Saintspirit wrote:Wut? New O&G book? Not Tomb Kings/Wood Elves/Ogre Kingdoms? Quite confusing, I'd say... I mean, the orc book works pretty well with the 8th ed, doesn't it?

O&G has been mooted as the first 8th Ed army book for a while. GW do occassionally jump the army book cycle, although not very often.

Yes I originally heard TK were due but then they were slotted for after O&G. I hope they can fix boar boyz since they got new models. Give some reasons to choose common goblins too

If they don't do something about animosity, O&G will still be a frustrating army to play, which would be a shame. Any rumours on that?

To be honest, a lot of people complaining about animosity seem to be treating it like a brand new rule, and not a defining characteristic of Orcs and Gobbos for years and years!

Animosity is what makes the O&G just that. One thing that might not make it as much of a pain but give it more character is making it a 2d6 roll with each roll leading to something different.

It might be a defining characteristic, but it does make them frustrating to play against more reliable armies.
I'd like to see it stay in, but SIGNIFICANTLY altered. Make it into a random number of causulties on a 1, and possibly leadership bumps as orcs close with the foe, or something, instead of forced movement/immobility. Warhammer is a game of movement, and an army that can't control it is always going to be sub par.

I'm still shaking my head at the idea that GW is going to let half a year (at the least!) pass without releasing an 8th edition army book. Did they actually want to wait and see how the rules would play out before making design decisions?

Lord of battles wrote:

Flashman wrote:

Lord of battles wrote:sooooo.... a new format for army books? sounds cool.

Cooler than a big arse spider?

Touche

That would be an awesome kit.

Not rumors, but speculation from a five / six year O&G player:

#1: Harsher Miscast table. Come on, Orcs & Goblins get it with each new Edition. BRB gives a nasty Miscast Table, O&G get one worse. BRB one-ups it again (ex: 7th Edition), O&G once more get it worse (7th Edition O&G). BRB is now to the point you drop S10 Large Blasts on your wizard's head, either O&G is about to lose its miscast table or we're looking at something like "3-4: normal miscast table. 2: Normal miscast table, but apply 5-6 result to all O&G Wizards!".

#2: Animosity remains roughly unchanged. It's Animosity, GW isn't going to up and remove it or turn it into something such as Primal Fury. However, they might modify the dice roll schtick again: Perhaps we'll return to the old table, perhaps there might be some clauss for when rolling a 1 for Animosity, something is probably going to be changed.

#3: Panic Tier will probably be cut out from general rules and put in general ones. Goblins will get a "Only cause panic in other Goblins" rule, Black Orcs will get a "ignore panic from non-Black Orc Orcs and Goblins" rule or somesuch.

#4: Choppas will get changed, probably back to old version (bonus only on charge).

#5: Odd unit price hikes with either stats remaining unchanging, slight improvement, or notable decrease. Again, a commonality (such as with the Miscast Table) amongst O&G. I especially expect such to be true with things such as Goblin Characters, with standard Heroes going up to 40's-50's in points and Lords easily into 70's-80's.


Of course, all this is speculation. The only one I'm practically willing to put money down on for certain is the Miscast Table bit. I feel something akin to the others will happen, but not sure enough of myself to say so for certain. If there's absolutely zero change to the miscast table, same results and effects and everything, I'll write an essay next semester in GW's honor.

There are good ways to keep animosity while toning it down a bit. Use 2d6 with 2/3 being animosity and 11/12 being Waaaagh!. In one swoop you've halved the occurance.

1/3 chance of either as it currently stands is a bit dominating -- especially with the numbers they tend to run in.

my $.02.

<EDIT>
Need to add that I've always been a fan of using the bell curve. I've never liked use of 1d6 for results tables.

ZF-

O&G, along with Empire, are the biggest fantasy army, sales wise.

Clue right there - and out of the two, O&G need the update more.

Flashman wrote:

Saintspirit wrote:Wut? New O&G book? Not Tomb Kings/Wood Elves/Ogre Kingdoms? Quite confusing, I'd say... I mean, the orc book works pretty well with the 8th ed, doesn't it?

O&G has been mooted as the first 8th Ed army book for a while. GW do occassionally jump the army book cycle, although not very often.

Orcs and Goblins have been first the last few editions. Why stop now?

They're back for another go!

Kurgash wrote:They're back for another go!

Kurgash is making a obscure reference to Ork dialogue in the Dawn of War games here folks.

EDIT - Just realised who my audience was and that it probably wasn't remotely obscure to 99.9% of you

Flashman wrote:

Kurgash wrote:They're back for another go!

Kurgash is making a obscure reference to Ork dialogue in the Dawn of War games here folks.

EDIT - Just realised who my audience was and that it probably wasn't remotely obscure to 99.9% of you

As someone who has never played Dawn of War, however, I thank you. Hey, I'm in the .1 percent!

Sarrazon wrote:

Flashman wrote:

Kurgash wrote:They're back for another go!

Kurgash is making a obscure reference to Ork dialogue in the Dawn of War games here folks.

EDIT - Just realised who my audience was and that it probably wasn't remotely obscure to 99.9% of you

As someone who has never played Dawn of War, however, I thank you. Hey, I'm in the .1 percent!

Sweet, I'm part of a select few as well!

The Crippler wrote:I'm still shaking my head at the idea that GW is going to let half a year (at the least!) pass without releasing an 8th edition army book. Did they actually want to wait and see how the rules would play out before making design decisions?

Dont forget the 7 month time between 40k books also. This happened with 5th edition 40k with a 8-9 month wait between SM and IG, pretty absurd imo

If it wasn't for the fact both systems (40k and fantasy) have books which desperately need an update (necrons, grey knights, tomb kings, wood elves) then I wouldn't have too much of an issue, but to go over half a year without a new book for either is pretty frustrating. I get it, fantasy got a new rulebook, which was on preorder back in the end of may I think...it's now november, and the next book (fantasy) won't be out till next march? That's just crap.

EDIT: And Orcs and Goblins arguably don't really need a new book before tomb kings and wood elves, I know animosity sucks, it's lost me dozens of games. Wood elves are borderline unplayable, and tomb kings is forced into a single build. Who knows when their books will be released? Could be over a year (from main rulebook release).

Flashman wrote:

Kurgash wrote:They're back for another go!

Kurgash is making a obscure reference to Ork dialogue in the Dawn of War games here folks.

EDIT - Just realised who my audience was and that it probably wasn't remotely obscure to 99.9% of you

Thought I read that same mentality in one of the fantasy army books too. Huh.

greenbay - excpet, again, O&G are one of the 2 big sellers in fantasy. From a business perspective, which GW need to be mindful of, keeping O&G going is a good thing to do.

greenbay924 wrote:EDIT: And Orcs and Goblins arguably don't really need a new book before tomb kings and wood elves, I know animosity sucks, it's lost me dozens of games. Wood elves are borderline unplayable, and tomb kings is forced into a single build. Who knows when their books will be released? Could be over a year (from main rulebook release).

The problem is, wood elves were just fine until very recently (when 8th edition was released) and we all know GW doesn't really plan ahead

O&G had tons of trouble in 7th, and although they're OK at the moment, they deserve an update. Us WE players have just started our waiting game!!

I do hope TK is next after them... more than anything for the models! Please let them replace those silly-looking skeleton horses...

I'm surprised nobody is jumping on that cryptic comment from Harry about a new section in each army book-I'm thinking a "super heavy" addition slot-you know, the dwarf zeppelin, the chaos mammoth (from forgeworld), this giant arachnarok...all going in a new section that exists within the points limit of the game, but you can take one model from this section-kind of like an ultra rare or something. Just my thoughts

Agreed.. Orcs and Empire will always get a new book in every edition. Period.

Same with space marines in 40k