6th edition rumour and news summary (1st post updated daily with new info!)

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**Mandor**

Therion wrote:
This is was in the GW video.

Also, this would mean the end of suicide melta vets I guess, as the Valkyrie/Vendetta must start in reserve.

I'm wondering why you came to that conclusion? Reserves are 3+ on turn two so that's 2+ with an Astropath. What you would do is zoom on the board, moving pretty much as fast as you need to get to the optimal firing position, and shooting with four heavy weapons. In the enemy's turn your Vendetta would be very hard to hit and has the option to also evade so it gets a 5+ cover save. In the Guard turn, if he wanted, he could now hover the Vendetta and drop down the cargo after moving 6", while still naturally also maintaining a strong shooting capability, but losing the 6's to hit protection.

And if your opponent manages to shoot your Vendetta down (with AA/interceptor if needed), you meltavets will suffer a fiery STR10 AP1 death. It's hardly the free-scout (with or without flatout), free-deploy move it is now.

**Drunkspleen**

streamdragon wrote:Ouch... double whammy for Orks unless trukks get a special exemption from the "No assaulting out of moving vehicles, even open topped ones". Dark Eldar too, I would imagine.

Open Topped vehicles can be assaulted out of, they have a special rule shared with the likes of Land Raiders and Stormravens

**Anpu42**

I have seen what happens to passangers when a flyer goes kaboom, what about normal transports like rhinos?

**Ovion**

Thunderfrog wrote:Eldar question (hypothetical of course.):

Do you think a Farseer + Seer Council will count as one choice as far as allies are concerned?

I'l love to bring in the above mentioned and 1 or 2 squads of pathfinders as an Eldar / Tau alliance.

The Eldar book specifies quite explicitly they count as a single HQ choice.

For Rattman on his return:
Can you please confirm is this:

Spoiler:

is accurate or not?

**streamdragon**

Drunkspleen wrote:
streamdragon wrote:Ouch... double whammy for Orks unless trukks get a special exemption from the "No assaulting out of moving vehicles, even open topped ones". Dark Eldar too, I would imagine.

Open Topped vehicles can be assaulted out of, they have a special rule shared with the likes of Land Raiders and Stormravens

Ah, I must have missed that point somewhere. Just saw this:

Are Fast, open-topped Transports still the exception to the 6" disembark rule?

[–]Rixitotal[S] 2 points 7 hours ago
nope

And figured I wouldn't be getting out of any trukk that had gone farther than a Boy could walk.

**Therion**

I think he means suicide demo vets for scout > first turn assault with MB.

I see, well, the alpha strike leafblowing has only changed a little. It's still very potent, if not even more so. Flyers always get their optimal shots off before anyone has a chance to react and in turn are very hard to drop down. No more worrying that your Vendettas are killed before they get to shoot, or that they can only shoot only one lascannon when they enter play because of the model being so big.

**Maelstrom808**

BarBoBot wrote:
Maelstrom808 wrote:Pretty sure rending is just a regurgitation of the 5th ed rules:

Ignores armor (AP2) - check
+D3 to armor penetration - check
auto-wounds regardless of toughness - check

I believe the rumor is that the auto wound occurs on the hit roll now

That rumor came from him saying that 6s auto-wound. You could take a logical leap and assume that this means to hit rolls of 6 will cause auto-wounds, or you can tie that into the current rules. I think the latter is more likely.

**Alpharius**

Anpu42 wrote:I have seen what happens to passangers when a flyer goes kaboom, what about normal transports like rhinos?

I was wondering the same thing.

I'm sure it has been mentioned already, I just can't find it now.

If it is S10 AP1 for them too - ouch.

**buddha**

If I remember correctly from the reddit guy normal vehicle explosions were the same as 5th; IE Str.4 AP-.

I'm wondering still if the fluff nonsense about the Tau being under the Emperor's protection made it in.

**GoDz BuZzSaW**

**Dr. Delorean**

I wouldn't imagine normal transports would be that much more homicidal to those embarked upon them, the hull points thing already makes them a reasonably iffy choice in my mind (or it would if I didn't play Necrons and have the amazing zoomy croissant.

EDIT: In reference to that video, at least Simon isn't a robot. I like the idea of capturing terrain, especially if you can get defensive bonuses (above the norm, that is) for doing so.

JB

streamdragon wrote:
Drunkspleen wrote:
streamdragon wrote:Ouch... double whammy for Orks unless trukks get a special exemption from the "No assaulting out of moving vehicles, even open topped ones". Dark Eldar too, I would imagine.

Open Topped vehicles can be assaulted out of, they have a special rule shared with the likes of Land Raiders and Stormravens

Ah, I must have missed that point somewhere. Just saw this:

Are Fast, open-topped Transports still the exception to the 6" disembark rule?

[–]Rixitotal[S] 2 points 7 hours ago
nope

And figured I wouldn't be getting out of any trukk that had gone farther than a Boy could walk.

You still misunderstand how it is rumored to work. Your trukk moves 6", you disembark the passengers up to 6" from any point on the sides of the trukk. In the assault, you move 2D6 inches to, hopefully, make contact with your target. you should also get the 1" extra for a Red Paint Job unless GW changes it in the FAQ.

All open- topped transports have the Assault USR so their passengers are eligible to assault in the same turn that they disembark. Sixth edition still doesn't allow the Rhino Rush, according to the folks that claim to have a rulebook.

**Lysenis**

G. Whitenbeard wrote:
shank911 wrote:
I was thinking foot guard with some russes and venom spam

Some guy earlier mentioned 6 Grey Hunter squads with 3 Hydras

Please, don't spread false information.

Allies only lets you take 0-1 of a FOC choice.

3 Hydras are a squadron so 1 FOC.

**Therion**

Some guy earlier mentioned 6 Grey Hunter squads with 3 Hydras

3 Hydras are a squadron so 1 FOC.

Unless SW get some skyfire of their own via the FAQs this Saturday, they will really benefit from allied Vendetta and Hydra squadrons.

JB

Praxiss wrote:Ok, so a transport (even if it's a fast Skimmer or a flyer) can only allow units to disembark if it has moved 6" now? I think that's what it said on a post earlier...

Unless GW changes the rules for Valks and Vens, passengers can deep strike via grav chute even if the vehicle moves Flat Out. It's risky but it is an option unless revised in the codex FAQs.

**H.B.M.C.**

Wait... if Valks have Scout... and have to start in Reserve... how would that work?

**pretre**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Wait... if Valks have Scout... and have to start in Reserve... how would that work?

They can't use the free move, but can use it to outflank from reserve.

**Therion**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Wait... if Valks have Scout... and have to start in Reserve... how would that work?

Possibly just allows them to outflank and nothing else. We don't know yet. Outflanking isn't that big of a deal though for the flyers considering how fast they are now while still firing weapons.

ninja

**Drunkspleen**

JB wrote:
Praxiss wrote:Ok, so a transport (even if it's a fast Skimmer or a flyer) can only allow units to disembark if it has moved 6" now? I think that's what it said on a post earlier...

Unless GW changes the rules for Valks and Vens, passengers can deep strike via grav chute even if the vehicle moves Flat Out. It's risky but it is an option unless revised in the codex FAQs.

Flat out is now a move in the shooting phase, basically "run" for vehicles.

there's no way to know what grav chute insertion will mean in the new rules until the FAQ is out.

**Maige**

I'll just leave this here.

**Lysenis**

Therion wrote:
Some guy earlier mentioned 6 Grey Hunter squads with 3 Hydras

3 Hydras are a squadron so 1 FOC.

Unless SW get some skyfire of their own via the FAQs this Saturday, they will really benefit from allied Vendetta and Hydra squadrons.

Yup sadly 'nids get the worst kick in the arse. Saturday I am downloading all the FAQs and going over them with a fine tooth comb!

**pretre**

I love that they have 'Come the Apocalypse' for the hell no ones. Yep, you can do it in Apoc, that's it.

**BarBoBot**

So tau are battle brothers with space marines...

**pretre**

SOB only getting IG is kinda lame for Battle Brothers.

**Carnage43**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Wait... if Valks have Scout... and have to start in Reserve... how would that work?

Maybe if they are in "hover" mode they are used like skimmers are now?

**pretre**

BarBoBot wrote:So tau are battle brothers with space marines...

BB is green. Tau are BB with Eldar only.

JB

Drunkspleen wrote:
JB wrote:
Praxiss wrote:Ok, so a transport (even if it's a fast Skimmer or a flyer) can only allow units to disembark if it has moved 6" now? I think that's what it said on a post earlier...

Unless GW changes the rules for Valks and Vens, passengers can deep strike via grav chute even if the vehicle moves Flat Out. It's risky but it is an option unless revised in the codex FAQs.

Flat out is now a move in the shooting phase, basically "run" for vehicles.

there's no way to know what grav chute insertion will mean in the new rules until the FAQ is out.

In that case, the rule will need a FAQ or go the way of the Dodo.

**Maige**

I haven't cross checked, but does it match up perfectly to our "MSPaint tourney double" matrix?

>pretre

Not according to the official matrix I just posted. BB are grey. Tau get Eldar and Marines.

**Lysenis**

JB wrote:
Drunkspleen wrote:
JB wrote:
Praxiss wrote:Ok, so a transport (even if it's a fast Skimmer or a flyer) can only allow units to disembark if it has moved 6" now? I think that's what it said on a post earlier...

Unless GW changes the rules for Valks and Vens, passengers can deep strike via grav chute even if the vehicle moves Flat Out. It's risky but it is an option unless revised in the codex FAQs.

Flat out is now a move in the shooting phase, basically "run" for vehicles.

there's no way to know what grav chute insertion will mean in the new rules until the FAQ is out.

In that case, the rule will need a FAQ or go the way of the Dodo.

Same for the Stormraven rule which is pretty much the same thing.

**Drunkspleen**

BarBoBot wrote:So tau are battle brothers with space marines...

and not the IG who would have let them include a cool gue'vesa attachment, yeah I'm a bit perplexed by it too, presumably some of Ward's fluff will explain it... poorly