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 Azreal13 wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

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Experiment 626 wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:

With Necrons I feel they really need some more interesting vehicles and stuff since looking at them its usually so infantry biased with maybe some arcs around. Dark Eldar need the evil equivalent to the Wraith Knight but balanced. DE just need a lot in general. Some armies have huge swathes of selections to pick from. I'm sometimes envious of the opportunities of Space Marine collectors and Chaos collectors since there is just so much variety. Where as Tau, DE, and Necrons (and many others) just don't have much.

HAHAHA! Really? You're actually jealous of the single oldest & most woefully incomplete model line in the entire game!? (Sisters not withstanding)

I mean, I get that we all want more toys, but c'mon, trying to say that Chaos gets actual support, when 15+ years on and we're still waiting for plastic autocannons & missile launchers!?
If you're going to be jealous of someone, at least be jealous of an army that's had more than a paltry 4 kits over the past 9 years.


Hopefully Fenris Part II is the long overdue start to the fabled "Year of Chaos", and we can finally get a model line that isn't perpetually stuck in the early 2000's... Hopefully we can get a good solid 8-12 months of on-off releases, with new kits for;
- basic Chaos Marines
- Terminators
- Havocs
- Chosen
- Berserkers
- Noise Marines
- Plaguemarines
- Oblits/Muties combo kit
- Cultists
- Bikers
- updated Rhino
- updated Land Raider w/new Chaos only variant

And for the Daemon side, throw in at least one more of the Greater Daemons, if not both.

I chuckled, Gamgee likes his Tau.

I think you could leave the terminators alone, and they reboxed the marines so despite being a bit dated they still do the job. I think havos and chosen would be a combo kit, same with oblits/muties so honestly the only major kits would be the 4 cults. I'd say try to combo them in pairs but I am not sure it is possible which is probably why it hasn't occurred. Maybe they will just do plastic upgrades like the sprues they did for blood angles space wolves etc. Give you a god specific champion and enough shoulder pads and gear to make a squad. To me that is the most cost effective approach, I honestly can never see them making 4 unique kits for each cult. Same reason eldar still don't have plastic aspects, there are just too many unique elements and they can't add that many SkU's to the shelves.

I disagree, Termies and CSM need an update. Havoc and Chosen as a combo could work, but I'd almost prefer (although GW would never do it again) an upgrade sprue with plenty of special and heavy weapons and a bit of greeble that could be combined with a Tac box to make either.

But CSM and Termies need an update purely because there's two very different aesthetics at play now in Chaos kits, and they belong to the old style. All Chaos from Dark Vengeance on has had a more organic look (and a better one IMO.) The CSM box and Terminators are still of the old "take what the imperials have and stick some horns and spikes on it" era. The Rhino chassis and Land Raider could use help too, but I know not to dream too big!

Sorry, I should have been clear. I agree with everything you just said, but sort of like you and your pragmatism in regards to the rhino/LR I was applying the same dose of realism to the termies and CSM kits. If I had to pick a few things to get all new plastics, I would go for a chosen./havoc kit and some sort of upgrade solution in plastic for the 4 cults. If you think the CSM are bad, my god are those gigantic handed berserkers awful now.

I think GW going the one chaos God updated at a time is a good thing. I think the Rubric marines will stand alone and won't need the basic CSM sprues to be built. I have to believe they will be standalone models that if current trends are anything will have minimal modularity.

Chaos SM have so many models in need of being redone... I think there is a greater possibility of certain traditional units simply being dropped rather than getting redone. As some here so quickly remind us so many things depend on that basic CSM kit and yet it's lacking; I don't think it will get redone until all of the cult kits dependent on it have been redone to break that dependency.

The type of layer cake chaos kits CSM have just aren't how GW does new models and I think it's why the one God at a time approach gurantees the most getting done. When GW did KDK I think it was an experiment to see if CSM players would accept CSM in some form other than a singular CSM book.

At this point we know the volume of content GW will give each force in these campaign books... Tzneetch can expect as much with all these.

 aka_mythos wrote:
I think GW going the one chaos God updated at a time is a good thing. I think the Rubric marines will stand alone and won't need the basic CSM sprues to be built. I have to believe they will be standalone models that if current trends are anything will have minimal modularity.

Chaos SM have so many models in need of being redone... I think there is a greater possibility of certain traditional units simply being dropped rather than getting redone. As some here so quickly remind us so many things depend on that basic CSM kit and yet it's lacking; I don't think it will get redone until all of the cult kits dependent on it have been redone to break that dependency.

The type of layer cake chaos kits CSM have just aren't how GW does new models and I think it's why the one God at a time approach gurantees the most getting done. When GW did KDK I think it was an experiment to see if CSM players would accept CSM in some form other than a singular CSM book.

At this point we know the volume of content GW will give each force in these campaign books... Tzneetch can expect as much with all these.

It's possible I suppose except we have already been told by reliable sources that KDK was a one of fluke in order to justify releasing the new blood thirster kit. The Glotkin was also rumored to be the great unclean one and frankly, it still is. I would like god specific campaigns and releases but I am just not that confident. My guess is tzeentch gets some love in WZF2 and plague marines and noise marines, if they ever get a kit, will get it with a general release. Not sure qwe will ever see a keeper of secrets in plastic even though it's my favorite greater demon.

Chaos is just in a unique predicament with how there is an overlap of some minis into AoS. Just as CSM are getting Tzneetch so are chaos in AoS. In AoS there were rumors of a Nurgle driven campaign to free Slannesh, who was apparently captured. If that is true it does mitigate the number of kits, but only really for Daemons. It does make something like KDK relatively easy. If the AoS campaign rumor is true we'll get our enticing greater daemon.

KDK was a rushed fluke and we aren't going to get that again but when you look at that book the amount of new content is roughly equal to what armies have been getting in the campaign books. It might not speak to the specific nature of how GW approaches it, just the fact that they likely will and the depth and degree they'll go.

The thing the most reliable rumor mongers keep saying "chaos space marine are not being redone"... I however suspect we'll see a number of campaign based releases followed by a supplemental book that compiles them... Similar to what happened with White Scars and Raven Guard before the Angels of Death book.

 aka_mythos wrote:
I think GW going the one chaos God updated at a time is a good thing. I think the Rubric marines will stand alone and won't need the basic CSM sprues to be built. I have to believe they will be standalone models that if current trends are anything will have minimal modularity.

Its been kinda glossed over by the OMG! Magnus talk, but this is a good point about the Rubic Marines. Although I'm not sure about the minimal modularity as Marine armour(even CSM) lends itself well to modular kits. Plastic Rubics that will probably make at least two different units OMG! Its going to be really interesting to see what else GW release alongside them, and what existing kits/units the list will use(apart from the obvious Rhino/Predator/Landraider). A 1k Sons Terminator kit that's compatible with the BaC Cataphractii would be high on my personal wishlist.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
I think GW going the one chaos God updated at a time is a good thing. I think the Rubric marines will stand alone and won't need the basic CSM sprues to be built. I have to believe they will be standalone models that if current trends are anything will have minimal modularity.

Its been kinda glossed over by the OMG! Magnus talk, but this is a good point about the Rubic Marines. Although I'm not sure about the minimal modularity as Marine armour(even CSM) lends itself well to modular kits. Plastic Rubics that will probably make at least two different units OMG! Its going to be really interesting to see what else GW release alongside them, and what existing kits/units the list will use(apart from the obvious Rhino/Predator/Landraider). A 1k Sons Terminator kit that's compatible with the BaC Cataphractii would be high on my personal wishlist.

When I say limited modularity I'm thinking mostly about the sorcerer. I think about the 40k Mechanicum Robots where the techpriest has one alternate arm and is pretty much only intended to go together that limited way. I imagine it'll end up being like that. At the same time Rubric marines aren't dynamic and don't really need to vary. I think it depends on GW objectives. I could see it go one other way.

If I were GW I would release some sort of kit that doubles for the Cyclopia Cabal or a similar Tzneetch formation allowing you to build 5 sorcerers and giving the bits to vary the Thousand Sons squad sorcerer more greatly. In keeping with GW common practice a two in one kit to both thousand sons or this... In one sense this would be beneficial for having a kit with enough spare Tzneetch bits to spread through an army but it would also point to a smaller 5 model kit. That might actually make sense when you consider the parallel between something like thousand son and something elite like Sternguard.

As far as other releases I think it'll be a pretty fat Tzneetch release as I imagine this would happen at the same time as the AoS Tzneetch release. I wouldn't be surprised if GW ends up making the Tzneetch beastmen/birdmen some sort of 40k cultist offshoot. I think if GW gives us anything else for Thousand Sons or Tzneetch worshipping CSM I'm betting it'll be something new rather than just Thousand Son versions of terminators/hellbrutes/etc... Something like the Khorne Lawnmower seems more likely.

WayneTheGame wrote:
Woah woah did they add something to that kit to make plague marines? Because I remember when it came out and it only let you make 10 normal guys

It wasn't even 10, it was 8. The current style Chaos Marines were originally 8 models when released, the 10 model version is a re-cut re-release.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Chaos players need to get used to the idea that marines are the the main faction and chaos is just there for them to shoot at and make the space marines look good. Your army is just a side one for the main forces and focus of 40k - the imperium.

I've seen this joke too many times at this point, so I have to ask: seriously?

Yes seriously. The imperium is the focus of gw attention and and background, everything else is there to serve as fodder for that machinery.

Yeah that's why SM is most powerful army in the game...Wait oh no. Sorry. Nevermind.

 aka_mythos wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
I think GW going the one chaos God updated at a time is a good thing. I think the Rubric marines will stand alone and won't need the basic CSM sprues to be built. I have to believe they will be standalone models that if current trends are anything will have minimal modularity.

Its been kinda glossed over by the OMG! Magnus talk, but this is a good point about the Rubic Marines. Although I'm not sure about the minimal modularity as Marine armour(even CSM) lends itself well to modular kits. Plastic Rubics that will probably make at least two different units OMG! Its going to be really interesting to see what else GW release alongside them, and what existing kits/units the list will use(apart from the obvious Rhino/Predator/Landraider). A 1k Sons Terminator kit that's compatible with the BaC Cataphractii would be high on my personal wishlist.

When I say limited modularity I'm thinking mostly about the sorcerer. I think about the 40k Mechanicum Robots where the techpriest has one alternate arm and is pretty much only intended to go together that limited way. I imagine it'll end up being like that. At the same time Rubric marines aren't dynamic and don't really need to vary. I think it depends on GW objectives. I could see it go one other way.

If I were GW I would release some sort of kit that doubles for the Cyclopia Cabal or a similar Tzneetch formation allowing you to build 5 sorcerers and giving the bits to vary the Thousand Sons squad sorcerer more greatly. In keeping with GW common practice a two in one kit to both thousand sons or this... In one sense this would be beneficial for having a kit with enough spare Tzneetch bits to spread through an army but it would also point to a smaller 5 model kit. That might actually make sense when you consider the parallel between something like thousand son and something elite like Sternguard.

As far as other releases I think it'll be a pretty fat Tzneetch release as I imagine this would happen at the same time as the AoS Tzneetch release. I wouldn't be surprised if GW ends up making the Tzneetch beastmen/birdmen some sort of 40k cultist offshoot. I think if GW gives us anything else for Thousand Sons or Tzneetch worshipping CSM I'm betting it'll be something new rather than just Thousand Son versions of terminators/hellbrutes/etc... Something like the Khorne Lawnmower seems more likely.

rubric heavy support marines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 EverlastingNewb wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Edit: And it is kind of BS that they won't release a new base CSM kit. Like the Grey Hunter sprue, it could form the basis of every other PA CSM kit.

What's the problem with the CSM kit? I personally like the kit. You get basically 10 Plague marines, 10 Chosen & 10 normal marines and with some
conversion work 10 Havocs, with heavy conversion work even 10 Noise marines. The new Start Collecting! gives you everything to build one of the
10 above of your choice and, because of the helbrute parts easy access to havoc weapons & basically a free Sonic Dread (admittedly with some
conversion work.)
I'd rather stick with this kit than the new CAD Minis of GW. Sure they're pretty.. and thats pretty much it.

Wait.. wut? 10 Chosen? Havocs? Plague Marines???

tneva82 wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Chaos players need to get used to the idea that marines are the the main faction and chaos is just there for them to shoot at and make the space marines look good. Your army is just a side one for the main forces and focus of 40k - the imperium.

I've seen this joke too many times at this point, so I have to ask: seriously?

Yes seriously. The imperium is the focus of gw attention and and background, everything else is there to serve as fodder for that machinery.

Yeah that's why SM is most powerful army in the game...Wait oh no. Sorry. Nevermind.

Rules is nothing to do with it.

Out of B&C ...

[/MAULER REPORTING. Yes, I started this. I was setting up my Tzeeneshi daemons to play when an old mate who I hadn't seen for a while wandered over with a stranger in tow and showed me his phone with a 1k pic and a not-so-great pic of Magnus. I recall it being a side-on/three quarters shot with a red figure leaning forward with what looked like blue wings on his back, the chap said that it was Magus (which it looked like) in plastic. It was thoroughly out of the left field, both the guys turning up and GW doing plastic Primarchs which have ascended to daemonhood, given that when I last spoke to the Design Studio they had no plans to progress the 40k story significantly but then that was back in 2013. There was nothing in the picture that I remember for scale but if it's Magnus then it don't think it'll be small but then probably not Knight-sized either (personal conjecture!)? Maybe a similar size to a 30k Thanatar is a reasonable expectation?


Like I originally said on Faeit; "But yeah, if I were reading this from someone else who said "I met a friend of a friend and he said..." then I'd have a healthy scepticism too. I can say that I saw the pics 100% but I can't say that the pics are legit 100% simply because I don't know the chap. They certainly looked appropriate and genuine." All I know for sure is what I was told and what I saw. It may be nothing, but based on what others like Atia have said this may be another part to a "daemonic Primarchs and when" puzzle?QUOTE]

 Kanluwen wrote:

Sad Panda wrote:
Remember it is still a few months out, especially the 40K stuff.

There are a lot of things in the pipeline before it. Deathwatch for example.

I feel like this got kind of glossed over.

More Deathwatch! Are we gonna see Deathwatch Scouts? Kill Marines? Dreadnoughts?

What secrets do you still guard, Sad Panda! How bad is my wallet going to hurt for Deathwatch?!

It's not gonna bit a huge release, but enough. There's a pretty cool, very sleek dropship/flyer with an enormous Inquisition =I= as fuselage.

Probably builds more than one variant.

28mm Capt. Artemis is also a go, probably a single character clam pack.

Sad Panda wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Sad Panda wrote:
Remember it is still a few months out, especially the 40K stuff.

There are a lot of things in the pipeline before it. Deathwatch for example.

I feel like this got kind of glossed over.

More Deathwatch! Are we gonna see Deathwatch Scouts? Kill Marines? Dreadnoughts?

What secrets do you still guard, Sad Panda! How bad is my wallet going to hurt for Deathwatch?!

It's not gonna bit a huge release, but enough. There's a pretty cool, very sleek dropship/flyer with an enormous Inquisition =I= as fuselage.

Probably builds more than one variant.

28mm Capt. Artemis is also a go, probably a single character clam pack.

Wow, this is the most specific you've ever been. Thanks.

Can I wishlist for an aquila lander?

Sad Panda wrote:
28mm Capt. Artemis is also a go, probably a single character clam pack.

Oh groovy. For a former Inquisitor player this warms my heart!

Though dubious price is going to be worth it but at least I get to see what he looks in 28mm.

Sad Panda wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Sad Panda wrote:
Remember it is still a few months out, especially the 40K stuff.

There are a lot of things in the pipeline before it. Deathwatch for example.

I feel like this got kind of glossed over.

More Deathwatch! Are we gonna see Deathwatch Scouts? Kill Marines? Dreadnoughts?

What secrets do you still guard, Sad Panda! How bad is my wallet going to hurt for Deathwatch?!

It's not gonna bit a huge release, but enough. There's a pretty cool, very sleek dropship/flyer with an enormous Inquisition =I= as fuselage.

Probably builds more than one variant.

28mm Capt. Artemis is also a go, probably a single character clam pack.

Hmmm, hopefully rules beyond just a specific formation. That flyer sounds pretty rad, and Captain Artemis is a welcome addition to my small force.

Please take the Deathwatch discussion to here.

Thanks to Warhams for setting up the thread!

You are welcome and thank you, Sad Panda!

Are there also any news on the Genestealer cult codex or new tyranids? There were rumors that genestealer also get a codex like deathwatch, but somehow it's quiet silent about this topic now. Perhaps anybody has some intel on it .

Since we are getting Magnus in plastic, what are the odds we are getting Lemans Russ? It seemail like a logical place to put him. As for part 2, my guess is Grey Knights, Dark Angels, and Thousand Sons. Kinda like Mont'ka and Kauyon. We already got SW and Daemons in the last book.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Since we are getting Magnus in plastic, what are the odds we are getting Lemans Russ? It seemail like a logical place to put him. As for part 2, my guess is Grey Knights, Dark Angels, and Thousand Sons. Kinda like Mont'ka and Kauyon. We already got SW and Daemons in the last book.

We're getting Russ in resin this year, would he be different enough to warrant also getting a plastic model?

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Since we are getting Magnus in plastic, what are the odds we are getting Lemans Russ? It seemail like a logical place to put him. As for part 2, my guess is Grey Knights, Dark Angels, and Thousand Sons. Kinda like Mont'ka and Kauyon. We already got SW and Daemons in the last book.

I'm hoping Space Wolves get a bit in part 2. Like fixing the rest of the units they ignored in part 1.... and Morkai's company.

ImAGeek wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Since we are getting Magnus in plastic, what are the odds we are getting Lemans Russ? It seemail like a logical place to put him. As for part 2, my guess is Grey Knights, Dark Angels, and Thousand Sons. Kinda like Mont'ka and Kauyon. We already got SW and Daemons in the last book.

We're getting Russ in resin this year, would he be different enough to warrant also getting a plastic model?

We are getting Magnus twice as well, aren't we? Though that is Daemon v. Not Daemon. So maybe not?

pm713 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Since we are getting Magnus in plastic, what are the odds we are getting Lemans Russ? It seemail like a logical place to put him. As for part 2, my guess is Grey Knights, Dark Angels, and Thousand Sons. Kinda like Mont'ka and Kauyon. We already got SW and Daemons in the last book.

I'm hoping Space Wolves get a bit in part 2. Like fixing the rest of the units they ignored in part 1.... and Morkai's company.

It would make sense for there to be SW stuff, but who knows. It would be a little stuffed. Dark Angels don't really need anything, but they are integral to the plot. This would be a good place for Grey Knights to get their Super Detachment. And 1KS need...lots. Especially if they are getting new plastics. I am hoping for army boxes like Kauyon/Mont'ka had.

I'm hoping Magnus doesn't look stupid...

Given where Russ has been for the last 10 thousand years, it isn't inconceivable that he'll need a large plastic kit to portray how he looks now as well...

 Azreal13 wrote:
Given where Russ has been for the last 10 thousand years, it isn't inconceivable that he'll need a large plastic kit to portray how he looks now as well...

He probably wouldn't be a Wulfen. I just hope they don't make him a huge Thunderwolf or something.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Given where Russ has been for the last 10 thousand years, it isn't inconceivable that he'll need a large plastic kit to portray how he looks now as well...

He probably wouldn't be a Wulfen. I just hope they don't make him a huge Thunderwolf or something.

I know I shouldn’t laugh, but I find that concept incredibly amusing. And completely in line with the wolfing if the SW line.

I can just see the humongous wolf, probably on a flyer sized base, with little scraps of armor still attached to him.

Behold! The WOLFTIME!!

(apologies to any SW players)

 Nevelon wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Given where Russ has been for the last 10 thousand years, it isn't inconceivable that he'll need a large plastic kit to portray how he looks now as well...

He probably wouldn't be a Wulfen. I just hope they don't make him a huge Thunderwolf or something.

I know I shouldn’t laugh, but I find that concept incredibly amusing. And completely in line with the wolfing if the SW line.

I can just see the humongous wolf, probably on a flyer sized base, with little scraps of armor still attached to him.

Behold! The WOLFTIME!!

(apologies to any SW players)

I dont even care now. The idea of him turning into great wolf sif from dark souls is amazing.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Since we are getting Magnus in plastic, what are the odds we are getting Lemans Russ? It seemail like a logical place to put him. As for part 2, my guess is Grey Knights, Dark Angels, and Thousand Sons. Kinda like Mont'ka and Kauyon. We already got SW and Daemons in the last book.

Do you think we'd get Leman Russ if there weren't other SW stuff in the book? I think for that point alone we won't see him, Magnus will probably be fought by GKs because reasons.

While they've already showed up in the fluff, I don't know if I expect Dark Angel rules. They have a 7.5e book with a Multiple Formation Detachment already, I would likely suspect a GK version though. That's really what they've been using these books for, so GK and possibly CSM make sense.


Well, only several months to wait!